The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Backyard Farmer]

Schrews,

I don't give a shit about other peoples crosses...I know the genetics I'm working with and where they came from, so I'm happy to run my own.

 

[grow nerd]

Analog cricket do u know who you're talking to? I doubt it from your post...

DON'T YOU KNOW WHO THE _F*CK_ I AM?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOP8Hd4vuhg

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[Shcrews]

Schrews,

I don't give a shit about other peoples crosses...I know the genetics I'm working with and where they came from, so I'm happy to run my own.

Just messin with you. Your garden is looking great. What do you think are the best products for foliar if you had to choose a couple?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Just start with one...PhotoMag.

 

[Bulldog420]

I like Pure Protien Dry (aka ocean grown) calcium25 and kelp. Maybe some micronized soft rock phosphate, silica, and some neem. Has worked great in the past.

 

[CaliGabe]

I like Pure Protien Dry (aka ocean grown) calcium25 and kelp. Maybe some micronized soft rock phosphate, silica, and some neem. Has worked great in the past.

We've got some Ferti Nitro on order (instead of PPD), adding some Albion calcium to CA25 with a little PHT calcium and instead of micronized SRP we're going with PHT phosphorous which is nano-sized and not micro-sized. A bunch of other stuff in the mix and mostly what Backyard and Milkyjoe have already mentioned. First year I've gotten heavy into foliars and just awesome.

 

[Bulldog420]

You guys mix that all in one spray bottle? I know PPD says to use alone, so I have a second day of foliar where I add the rest.

 

[milkyjoe]

I actually just make my own srp slurry instead of buying water from ohio.

Photomag if nothing else is my vote

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Do u use wet ball mill process? How about any yucca syrup ? At like 1 - 2% total? To help keep it from settling

 

[CaliGabe]

This is the stoopid shite that happens when you use a basic soil program and a basic AEA foliar program...pretty much...

The stacking and healthy growth is pretty nutz. Vegging plants after the solstice.

 

[CaliGabe]

Do u use wet ball mill process?

I first started to deal with Kempf when he was working to perfect Humacarb, and the organic suspension agent/formula that was supplied by Jerry Brunetti, with John's new ball mill. Yes he's wet processing. The first gallon of Humacarb I got settled out...and a nice golden colored liquid up top. Still though a failure so I got another gallon. Lawrence Mayhew was also involved with John at that point. Since then Philippe van den Bosche bought Kempf out. Phil headed Madonna's Malawi charity and born with a silver spoon stuck in his mouth...then lost it lol.

As for products AEA stuff rocks yet Kempf did not keep his word with me regarding people getting involved with the canna program and making sure they were covered. Buy his products yet don't expect him to keep his word. He didn't with me.

 

[milkyjoe]

Do u use wet ball mill process? How about any yucca syrup ? At like 1 - 2% total? To help keep it from settling

I should clarify. I only use the srp slurry for soil drenches when ec drops below where I like it. 1 cup per gallon of water. Just stir it up and let it sit for an hour then pour off the liquid...decant is probably the word. Stuff is colloidal...you ain't getting finer than that.

I have switched to and love Hypercap for foliar. Ca, P and N all together and does not leave that fucking residue all over your plants. It is not organic though if that is important to you.

Edit...personally I like the Ferti Organic fulvic acid better than humacarb. I do use the north dakota leonardite as a soil amendment though. I am guessing it is the basis of humacarb.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Anyone here ever use potassium silicate in water while rooting to keep down fungal issues?

 

[milkyjoe]

It will end dampening off for sure. The downside is your plant will take up K over Ca right from the first root. That is not going to lead to the best cell wall integrity

 

[Luther Burbank]

I'm not too worried about that with cuttings, especially when they'll pop out of the water and into soil as soon as the roots show.

 

[grow nerd]

milkyjoe, good morning. What was your background prior to cannabis?

Also: do you ever think about anything besides plants?

I'm thoroughly impressed by your seemingly complete understanding of plant nutrition, every time you post it makes me realize how little I know and how much further I have to go to "get there".

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I'm not too worried about that with cuttings, especially when they'll pop out of the water and into soil as soon as the roots show.

You should be. You can't change out ions for one another. It's kind of funny that way...I spray my clones with PhotoMag Sea Stim PHT-Phosphorus

If you feed a kid cake first and tell them its good, and then some healthy vegetables after...Do you think they'll prefer vegetables or Cake?

Potassium is like Cake for plants...A little is OK...Too much...Problems.

If you have problems with Fungi etc., on your cuts , you should just use something like Spectrum or MycoStop ... I use Spectrum ... When you soak your rooting media of choice. I use Q Plugs from International Horticulture.

Starting them with Biology versus K .. Difference is kind of wild.

 

[grow nerd]

What kind of cake?

 

[Bulldog420]

I like how you guys try to give the plants exactly what they want, when they want it. However, isn't that the point of organics? I was schooled into thinking that organics allows the plants to pick and choose what it pulls from the soil. As appose to chemical fertigation where you cram nutes down the thought of your plants whether they want it or not. When growing organically, my school of thought has always been give the soil everything the plant needs for the entire grow......"Grow from down low" and let it choose what to consume.

Now this is where foliar applications come in. If I understand the foliar process: If the plant has everything it needs in it's battery (aka soil) then foliar applications make the nutrient flow through the plant at a higher rate, making it more available, increasing the plants uptake of this nutrient.

Seems to me the foundation of an outdoor grow is the soil, everything else is just gravy.

 

[grow nerd]

How is it, then, considered "too much" or "too little" of some amendments in a soil mix, if it's always perfect and the plants pick and choose how much and how little?

Wouldn't every organic soil be perfect, as long as it has minimum levels of certain amendments to ensure it is present and available? But that's not the case, right?