Ganja show some love to so cal peeps please I as much as I love the trips to sac and the Bay to pick up genetics i'm getting sick of that drive lol.
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keep it comin please.
good to see your still at it.
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recipe from second post is great
Does any one in California know of ways to build a steel framed green house with concrete footings with out drawing a permit? The frame kit I want to get isn't an engineered structure , and the county I am in will hammer me for building a 1000+ Sq ft green house with out drawing a permit. I don't have a problem paying the permit fee, I spoke to the building inspector and he told me it'd cost $1500 ...the problem is that to get a permit you need building plans and structural engineering drawings & calculations for snow and wind load and a site plan ... The manufacturing company only supplies a wet stamped set of plans for a frame that is a design I don't really care for and their stamped plans cost $1500.
I have my own structural engineer I can use to do up a set of drawings and calcs for me and even at his rate of $100 /hr I can't see it taking him 15 hours to do a 30x48 and 20x60 structural drawing / calculation, but getting the building plans and materials list to give to my engineer from the manufacturer is problematic because their salesmen come off like they are stoner bros a little bit.
Maybe I'll try dealing with their commercial sales department.
I have my own structural engineer I can use to do up a set of drawings and calcs for me and even at his rate of $100 /hr I can't see it taking him 15 hours to do a 30x48 and 20x60 structural drawing / calculation, but getting the building plans and materials list to give to my engineer from the manufacturer is problematic because their salesmen come off like they are stoner bros a little bit.
Maybe I'll try dealing with their commercial sales department.
hi theres a company called Farmtek that specializes in large green houses etc you assemble they should be able to give you specs for loads etc .they have lots of options for the do it yourselfers aloha cls
HorseMouth
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Farmtek is Garbage. The hoops, trusses,spans (whatever you want to call them) come in pieces and you need to put them together. They are no where near as sturdy as a single hoop, etc. Also Farmtek doesn't seem to have any concern with wind, as their cross bracing, purloins and overall post dimension of the metal is sorely lacking. I have a farmtek greenhouse, and I had to add many modifications, i.e I had to add an anchor line to the ground, additional purloins, and overframed the ends.
A good local greenhouse manufacturer for me is Oregon Valley Greenhouse. Single metal spans, thick dimensional metal, great hardware to attach required 2x6's and overall knowledge of their product.
The one piece of farmtek hardware when it comes to greenhouses that I order from them, is the attachment piece for the purloins. It grips metal nicely, and allows a smooth flow of any plastic/tarp over the top.
A purchased greenhouse should have approved plans that come with it.
Peace
A good local greenhouse manufacturer for me is Oregon Valley Greenhouse. Single metal spans, thick dimensional metal, great hardware to attach required 2x6's and overall knowledge of their product.
The one piece of farmtek hardware when it comes to greenhouses that I order from them, is the attachment piece for the purloins. It grips metal nicely, and allows a smooth flow of any plastic/tarp over the top.
A purchased greenhouse should have approved plans that come with it.
Peace
thanks horsemouth I only get the catalog and they look fine in their pictures but if someone who has bought one is unhappy that's good news to anyone of us who gets the catalog and has thought about investing in some early and late season protection for our out door plants .I saw ones on harbor freight also but they have reviews and everyone said they were bad for wind and snow to bad this farmtek company does not have customer comments with their sights offering .aloha cls
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To your first question, there is no way to circumvent the permit process if you plan to pour footings. Its the first in a long line of county designed "traps" when building a detached structure and whether or not it requires a permit.
Detached structures come in 2 forms: permanent- (attached to the earth/property) and non-permanent -(portable). Anything attached to a concrete foundation/slab is considered permanent and therefore requires a permit. The only wiggle room is within the max allowed square footage before a permit is required which in Ca counties is 100 to 120 sq ft or if you are able to claim the structure as "Agriculture Exempt". Its deff worth checking into whether you qualify for the Ag exemption.
Over the years, Ca counties have managed to figure out how to scarf up permit fees on portable buildings, even tho they sit on skids, piers etc (non-attached and therefore non-permanent) by using the max sq footage restrictions. We can thank portable storage building companies like Tough Shed for that. They sell larger than 120 sq ft "portable" buildings and without mention, pretty much leave it up to the customer to fight it out with the county if a neighbor turns you in for non-permit violations.
Purchasing plans or a complete structure with plans whether it be on-line, ordering thru magazines or DIY self-help books can and usually are the start of big headaches, when it comes to trottin them on down to your local building dept. The plans, while appearing technical and architecturally complete, are cookie cutter at best. There is no way any company can devise a universal set of plans to adhere to the structural requirements of all 50 states on an individual basis ie; In Florida, mold and rot resistant materials are required. In Texas, extreme and common shifting sand requires ridiculous over the top foundation measures and in Cali...it's all about incorporating earthquake proof measures into the structure amongst a bazillion other things only Cali could come up with...
A large greenhouse is one of the most difficult structures to get thru any Ca county permit process without major hassles, even if you have pretty plans. First, it doesnt really fall into a standard or typical, black and white or even relatable category which leaves you at the mercy of your plan checker who will invariably try to apply standard building codes to cover his ass, which for the most part, wont apply to what you want to build. The truth is, a greenhouse is nothing more than a metal or wood frame with either a plastic film or rigid panels and as such, to the county boys, its like looking at a 2 headed goat...
The Ca politics: In the past, erecting a large greenhouse on your property wasnt a big deal. Most counties, unless a complaint was filed, didnt give them much scrutiny unless you were trying to operate a commercial biz and even then, the biggest concern was creating traffic to and from. But, but, but...when the counties took over controlling medical marijuana by creating cultivation ordinances, the greenhouse came on the county radar and it quickly became another source of permit fees, especially in counties where outdoor cultivation was banned and outdoor growing was limited to only detached structures or...a greenhouse.
More politics- and this is the part that sucks...If you file for a greenhouse permit in most Nor Cal counties nowadays, and even if your drawings are golden, a red flag immediately comes up as to whether or not your are planning on growing medical marijuana. Whether you are required to state, on your permit, you plan to grow mj or not, the county now knows you have a greenhouse. In my county, if you pull a greenhouse permit, there is no way you will convince them youre planning on growing vegetables, even tho that may be what you intend to do. Its sort of a greenhouse owner racial profiling thing...lol I
More suck- If I pull a med mj greenhouse permit in my county, which now has a complete outdoor cultivation ban in effect, the greenhouse is required to have a county approved filtration system which also means a county approved electrical system(a separate permit), no more than 1 -1000 watt lite, along with misc requirements: perimeter fencing w/ locking gate, security door on greenhouse not to mention minimum property line setback distances, site plans, erosion controls, not to mention...how much water I plan on using and what chems may be involved.
In retro, you will discover getting the greenhouse structure itself approved will most likely just be the beginning of your county attempting to get all up in your med biz...CC
On a general note, all counties post permit fee amounts on their individual websites for almost anything you plan to build, add-on, remodel etc. Bldg inspectors, as a rule, are doing pretty good just to find your property and know something about what it is they are supposed to be inspecting ...Just sayin
Thanks for everyone's input, clearly I will have to just do this on my own and I will come back later and tell you all how I did it.
CC - Great answer and I agree with everything you said. I have been in the trades for 15+ years and everything you said sounds right. I haven't built in the areas you guys are talking about, but both areas are held to the same standards.
The one thing I would say is get your greenhouses built now, before they enforce even more regulations. What county are you in CC?
The one thing I would say is get your greenhouses built now, before they enforce even more regulations. What county are you in CC?
I dry the fuck out of it and deal with the moisture content before it goes to market. You can't store it for a long time with it being moist.
You don't comment often anymore Cowboy, but when you do, it is of the most valuable kind. Thanks for lurking and stepping up when your counsel, and knowledge, makes a difference!
Peace,
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anonymousgrow
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What about those clearspan helical anchors?
That's exactly what I do. Just wasn't sure if There was a better way. I don't have a very scientific way of adding moisture either just a plain wet paper towel in the bag for a day.
I add moisture back by putting the herb in the hanging baskets people with twisters use to dry their herb and turn on a hydro fogger set to 65% rH and periodically check the consistency of the flowers.
I used them this year and I must say they do the trick. My herb has stayed fresh and moist, which is a problem I have had in the past. No refrigeration. However they did cost a fair amount, that's just another 5-10$ per lb you have to spend. It is worth it for me personally, but if your working with 10's or 100's of packs, it probably isn't worth it.
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DHF
You know.....One would think that if you have to obtain a permit to construct a greenhouse ta grow dope OR veggies in , that abiding by the laws and regulations of the county resided in would be the most logical conclusion , or .......
Deal with the repercussions down the road from being ratted out by neighbors , or just waiting for the County registrar`s office to update their "Google Earth" records and see EVERY STRUCTURE that`s been added to any parcel of land from the previous yr and immediately cross-referenced through the "building and permits" office.....but hey....If you know something we don`t know ?.....Waiting patiently on your report back.....and...
Good luck.....and guys.....Dryin the "fuck outta your dope" , and then fogging the shit ta put water weight back in it @ 8 lbs per gal is just wrong on so many levels....and OMFG....
There`s no way to keep it moist without problems before going to market ?......Please guys....Don`t listen to this shit.......Waaaaay too much mis-information in so few posts on "giving advice"....
Once properly dried and cured nugs have been brought down to 62% consistently in buckets/turkey bags/big ziplocs, you can freeze it indefinitely and it`ll be brand new when thawed out 5 yrs from now or whenever , and ....
I understand freezing 100`s of lbs can be tedious , but it`s the ONLY way that`s been found over the yrs to be time tested and proven , so you wanna play in the big leagues , get the proper storage equipment ready and waitin if product ain`t pre-sold after processing , cuz re-hydrating is bullshit and a rookie or rather greed ploy at best.....or...you can...
Leave the shit jarred , bagged , whatever container you may choose and leave it in ambient temps for any length of time , and guaranteed chlorophyll degradation will ensue and turn the dope brown-ish/gold-ish depending on the temp swings and length of time stored , and that`s not pretty for the market share price once folks see that the shit`s old....people in the know that is... ......now...
Not only does "fogging" dope ruin terpene and taste profiles , it adds weight that`s already been taken away in an "improper" dry with NO cure , so this is not viable help for the community Veg....and...
I grew outside for 12 yrs back in the 70`s and 80`s , and even then High Times and the other dope mags had articles on how to store dope for extended lengths of time without product deterioration , and what was it......suspended animation/frozen.....so....
Please refrain from spreading improper , false , and biased info due to where your head`s at , and get a permit....or not....but please report back on how you got around it when no one else can.....
Peace...DHF....
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Deal with the repercussions down the road from being ratted out by neighbors , or just waiting for the County registrar`s office to update their "Google Earth" records and see EVERY STRUCTURE that`s been added to any parcel of land from the previous yr and immediately cross-referenced through the "building and permits" office.....but hey....If you know something we don`t know ?.....Waiting patiently on your report back.....and...
Good luck.....and guys.....Dryin the "fuck outta your dope" , and then fogging the shit ta put water weight back in it @ 8 lbs per gal is just wrong on so many levels....and OMFG....
There`s no way to keep it moist without problems before going to market ?......Please guys....Don`t listen to this shit.......Waaaaay too much mis-information in so few posts on "giving advice"....
Once properly dried and cured nugs have been brought down to 62% consistently in buckets/turkey bags/big ziplocs, you can freeze it indefinitely and it`ll be brand new when thawed out 5 yrs from now or whenever , and ....
I understand freezing 100`s of lbs can be tedious , but it`s the ONLY way that`s been found over the yrs to be time tested and proven , so you wanna play in the big leagues , get the proper storage equipment ready and waitin if product ain`t pre-sold after processing , cuz re-hydrating is bullshit and a rookie or rather greed ploy at best.....or...you can...
Leave the shit jarred , bagged , whatever container you may choose and leave it in ambient temps for any length of time , and guaranteed chlorophyll degradation will ensue and turn the dope brown-ish/gold-ish depending on the temp swings and length of time stored , and that`s not pretty for the market share price once folks see that the shit`s old....people in the know that is... ......now...
Not only does "fogging" dope ruin terpene and taste profiles , it adds weight that`s already been taken away in an "improper" dry with NO cure , so this is not viable help for the community Veg....and...
I grew outside for 12 yrs back in the 70`s and 80`s , and even then High Times and the other dope mags had articles on how to store dope for extended lengths of time without product deterioration , and what was it......suspended animation/frozen.....so....
Please refrain from spreading improper , false , and biased info due to where your head`s at , and get a permit....or not....but please report back on how you got around it when no one else can.....
Peace...DHF....
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