The future of cannabis in Europe and the snap election in Germany - what will happen if ...

[Cuddles]

Germany has only legalized cannabis less than a year ago (well sort of) but what will happen now? The government which has made it possible has collapsed.

Apparantly the right wing/conservative party will take over again and they still hate the idea of legalized weed. They have already said that they will reverse the new law again.
So if this really happens, what will this mean for the rest of europe? Will this mean that other countries will be even less likely to (fully) legalize it?

This snap election could mean make or brake for all growers, med users and all potenial canna businesses.

OR am I getting a little too nervous about the outcome here ?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

A new boss will come in and force their ideas on people. Some of their ideas might be a little different than the former boss' ideas which were being forced on other people.

The people in charge will change, a boss or set of bosses forcing their ideas on people will not change.
People will keep hoping their idea of who should be boss can happen, they'll vote harder next time!!!

That's what will happen. It will also happen again in the future when the new bosses get replaced too.

People will still grow weed and if it's illegal, that won't stop some. Those people are doing it right.

 

[armedoldhippy]

OR am I getting a little too nervous about the outcome here ?

"maybe" ? it's harder to reverse a decision (once made) than many think. they will probably tighten the regulations, maybe increase taxes...

 

[Deleted member 544407]

In order to completely reverse legalization they would need the majority in the Bundesrat (state parliament or 2nd chamber) where the parties that legalized still have a majority. So follow the state elections to see if the majority situation in the state parliament changes.

Even if the legalization parties maintain their majority in the state parliament it'S not impossible to get a majority of the votes for recriminalization anyway as many MoPs of the parties that legalized weed are actually against legalization or simply have no opinion and just vote according to what's opportune at the moment (as in what's good for their career), most of them are pushovers.

However I think what's more realistic than a complete reversal is that the law simply isn't developed further which would be necessary to actually erase the black market and make legal weed available for people who don't grow. The current situation is way better than anything we had before but it's still far from being satisfactory.

Also I can imagine they will put more restrictions on ordering weed from online pharmacies as this seems to have gone through the roof, hehe. Plus they can find ways around the actual cannabis law to make life harder for potheads, but again mostly on state level (intensifying road checks etc.)

 

[Captain Red Eye]

the law simply isn't developed further which would be necessary to actually erase the black market and make legal weed available for people who don't grow. The current situation is way better than anything we had before but it's still far from being satisfactory.

I'm sorry you don't have much freedom in Germany.

I think any legalization Germany gets will follow a similar trajectory as the USA legalization has.
Meaning it will not be as it should be, freedom based.

The legalization models used in the USA push the idea that you have no right to consume, grow or trade in cannabis without "permission".

Government steals your right and sells it back to people as a revokable privilege. They refer to this as "legalization", but it's really "prohibition light".

This creates a perverted market and not just in Cannabis, it spills over into the public psyche and fosters the idea that government permission is the default status to be able to do all business type things. Fools some people into shifting their language to call government issued privileges, "rights" and ensures the "right people" make money and maintain control.

If getting people access to cannabis was the goal, government should just be removed from the equation and competitive cannabis markets will do the rest.

Under prohibition, black markets served a vital purpose, they signal market demand is good and keep the spark of freedom from being extinguished. If government stayed out of the way, the black market, then could easily morph into a competitive free market. It's good for freedom and good for consumers, because without prohibition prices will drop to their proper unimpeded levels.

Instead via "legalization", many legal permission-based pot growers that align with government
policy end up being at odds with black market growers (the real heroes in the war on weed). They want government to step on black market growers.

That's pretty ironic, since many legal growers are former black market growers and now find themselves being for "prohibition light".

 

[Cuddles]

well, well, well.
It´s election day and according to the first results it looks as though the conservative party has won.
Not all is well for german growers anymore! And this may also mean that other countries in europe will not legalize/decriminalize it now. -Or does it?

Also, the freaky AFD party has gained more support, which makes things worse

what will happen now? Any predictions?

 

[armedoldhippy]

Any predictions?

you can bet your ass that The Chump will take credit for AFDs improved showing. i expect him to send Vance to North Korea any day to ask them for more weapons to be sent to help Putin in his battle against the nazis that attacked Russia... (STILL no "sarcasticon" available, dammit!)

 

[shiva82]

well, well, well.
It´s election day and according to the first results it looks as though the conservative party has won.
Not all is well for german growers anymore! And this may also mean that other countries in europe will not legalize/decriminalize it now. -Or does it?

Also, the freaky AFD party has gained more support, which makes things worse

what will happen now? Any predictions?

why would elections in germany influence the rest of europe? is your reasoning due to the european bloc that controls the states ?

why do you describe afb as freaky? what is freaky about them ?

afb seem to be gaining traction , and came second ?no?


thanks in advance

 

[Cannavore]

why would elections in germany influence the rest of europe? is your reasoning due to the european bloc that controls the states ?

why do you describe afb as freaky? what is freaky about them ?

afb seem to be gaining traction , and came second ?no?


thanks in advance

Because they are fascists, Shiva.

 

[shiva82]

Because they are fascists, Shiva.

the fascists are the 1st place and 3rd place globalist uni party cannavore , the fake 'left and right', the engineered globalists and former ceo of blackrock combining forces and not allowing the vote of the people to allow afd into parliament

stealing public money and handing it to private hands.

you should be against it cannavore .

'antifa' who you support are fascist to the core for example . afd are not .

democracy does not exist but if it did , then the afd would be in command .

you are a pathetic finger pointing fascist natured ,fake commie cannavore , and everything you own is built on capitalism.

 

[Cannavore]

the fascists are the 1st place and 3rd place globalist uni party cannavore , the fake 'left and right', the engineered globalists and former ceo of blackrock combining forces and not allowing the vote of the people to allow afd into parliament

stealing public money and handing it to private hands.

you should be against it cannavore .

'antifa' who you support are fascist to the core for example . afd are not .

democracy does not exist but if it did , then the afd would be in command .

you are a pathetic finger pointing fascist natured ,fake commie cannavore , and everything you own is built on capitalism.

you're such a skitzo i love it

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Captain Red Eye]

what will happen now? Any predictions?

If weed is made verboten, some free people will stand on their hind legs and grow weed anyway,
That's what will happen.

On the larger scene, not much will change. the people will have new masters, maybe some different rules, but the plantation fences will still be there.

Voting won't change that, tribute will still be extracted.

 

[Cuddles]

A quick internet search showed that political parties in Germany receive public money.

hmmm...

 

[Cuddles]

If weed is made verboten, some free people will stand on their hind legs and grow weed anyway,
That's what will happen.

On the larger scene, not much will change. the people will have new masters, maybe some different rules, but the plantation fences will still be there.

Voting won't change that, tribute will still be extracted.

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they reckon that forming a coaltion is gonna be very difficult. So we´ll have to wait and see. But both parties -AFD and CDU want to get rid of the new cannabis law, still refusing to recognize the possibilities and potential involved.

This is kinda bad news for us all I guess.

 

[RobFromTX]

Because they are fascists, Shiva.