The Experienced Beginner--600 watts, King's Kush and Himalaya Gold

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Day 9 of flower

Day 9 of flower

Pistils have started on most of them, but the Thai Super Skunk is taking a bit longer...probably because it has a 12 week flower time.

The plants have started stretching, and they are getting bigger everyday. With that in mind, and seeing how little space there is, I put the clones in the flower room. They were scheduled to go in today anyways.

So, there are 14 plants all started flowering. The one that has been having some issues isn't looking too good, but once the soil dries out enough, I am going to give them all a good feeding at half strength to restart them on the nute schedule.

Now it's picture time:

The little clones tossed in there:

And a little bit of added lighting--64 watt CFL

 

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More troubles!!! The plant isn't getting any better, and in fact it is worse. The brown curling leaves have progressed. What is weird is that the leaves affected seem very random...a two-leaf set has one messed up leaf, and the other is perfectly healthy. I just don't get it.

It must be a deficiency, so I fed them with AN 3-part at half strength. If things are worse the next time I see them, I am going to give them some epsom salt too.

Could this be some sort of pest problem? Maybe something in the soil? I havent seen anything bugs on the affected leaves.

Here is a bad leaf:

And then here is its partner leaf:

I really need some help with this! If anybody has any thoughts, please do share!

 

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The plant that had the worst signs is now on its death bed. That thing seems to be dying all too quickly and I think the cause is fungus gnats (I only pray it isn't root aphids).

There are these little black flying bugs everywhere in the grow room now, and they are living on the soil, but I checked the roots and could find anything with my naked eye.

I am going to track down some mosquito pucks for these fuckers.

All the other plants are as healthy as can be and are doing well in early flower though, which is a blessing.

Notice the completely brown curled leaves in the undergrowth.

A different view:

There has also been a tragic loss! The Thai Super Skunks went gay for each other and both turned out to be males! Chopped 'em down on the spot.

 

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Quick picture update: Day 13 of flower. Buds are starting to form, but it is hard to tell from the pictures. The clones are doing well, forming more nodes, and they are starting to get the full sets of leaves instead of the three prong leaves seen on fresh clones.

I went to Lowes last night and bought those mosquito dunks. Crumbled a disk over all the soil tops and did some light misting on the ones that still had enough water, and then drenched the two plants showing signs of stress from the fungus gnats. I hope these dunks work!

Other than the gnats though, all is well. Temps are in the 70's, they are well fed, and besides the two that are having issues, the plants are healthy as can be!

A prime example of what is inside the shack--lots of bud sites, rich green leaf color and no signs of any stress:

The clones in all their droopy glory. I pinched the stems to get them thicker so that once they hit heavy flowering they don't topple over.

The room getting nice and full. They have more stretching to go, but I hope they don't get too big to handle.

Look at these bushes!!! I had to do something to keep the air flowing and the budsites 'a growin so I lollipopped them a bit.

Before:

After:

aaahhh that is nice. Much more manageable!

 

[killerweed31]

VERY VERY GOOB MAN!!!
your garden looks good and healthy !!

 

[ForbiddenFruit]

Hey your plant that is having issues has a Phosphorus deficency.

Im guessing its getting too much water, not enough time to dry out and perhaps the nute strength needs to be bumped up a few ml.

Let the plant dry out, raise the Phosphorus ppm and tweak ph.

Its possible that its strictly a ph problem, most likely too low from build up of lots of high nitrogen veg nutes that accumulated during veg.

So probably a combo of those two problems.

Other than that everything is looking real good, that one plant looks killer.

 

[snaggy-]

Hey your plant that is having issues has a Phosphorus deficency.

Im guessing its getting too much water, not enough time to dry out and perhaps the nute strength needs to be bumped up a few ml.

Let the plant dry out, raise the Phosphorus ppm and tweak ph.

Its possible that its strictly a ph problem, most likely too low from build up of lots of high nitrogen veg nutes that accumulated during veg.

So probably a combo of those two problems.

Other than that everything is looking real good, that one plant looks killer.

THANK YOU!!

finally got some advice on what this could be!

I have flushed enough to get the ph to 6.5-6.9, and this next round I will give the two having problems a good feeding.

I thought it was necrotic spotting from the larvae eating at the roots, but the uniform browning once it spread through the leaf makes it seem more like phosphorous.

 

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Day 18 of flower

Went in to check on them today.

Fed those fuckers that are giving me trouble.

Took 7 clones of each strain, and I am hoping they get that monster cropping effect from being taken during flower so that I can veg for just the right amount of time and still get a branchy high yielding mofo.

Pictures:

my best attempt to capture the bud

and the clones...cut short so they would fit inside the dome

 

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Quick picture from yesterday:

 

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mid-flower update

mid-flower update

The plants are at 27 days into flower here. I have been giving them AN 3-part at a 1:2:3 ratio along with molasses and some botanicare sweet. I over-fed them by a little bit, so I am going with just water and molasses for the next two cycles. After that it will be half strength feeds until I see signs they need more.

The buds are forming well, trichomes are showing up in masses, and the stretch period is pretty much over with the plants at about 3 feet. The nodes are nicely spaced, and I am hoping that once the buds get bigger the colas will fill right in.

The flowering clones look good too. The xj's are stretchy so I don't have too much hope for them yielding well, but the PK's are very short and bushy with buds and big calyxes already.

Not too worried about the clones yielding well though, they are just for some personal stash variety.

The actual rooting clones are underway with some root tips poking out...it will take a little while longer though, and they need time to reveg. They are on schedule to replace the big flowering plantss nonetheless.

Enough writing, more pictures!!

Let's open the door and see what's inside!

Looks like a nice indoor forest:

It still pretty early though...still more than a month to get those spaces filled in:

A close up at one of the topped plants:

And an un-topped:

One of the better clones (given their first adequate feedings...don't mind the purple stems, they got some phosphorus yesterday):

the Blue Sky PK:

An odd stretchy one:

Of course, the nutrient lineup:

Thoughts?

 

[bourgwa]

maybe hit them with some more powerful 0-50-xx (or whatever your lineup offers) during the first and last couple weeks of flowering... they could take a little more.

and what fruit said about your pH is crucial

 

[A1M-9SW]

Hey man have to say you have a nice grow there!

I'm no expert.. but I think those are a bit under developed for 30 days and a 600w light.

Also if I'd be you , I'd go with a 400w , much lower temps, still good yield.
I am sure it is going to be very dank dank dank,

is it possible that you have a light leak in the box? I highly doubt it , but just asking.


k+ top notch shizzle

 

[reckon]

great lookin stuff!
getting better every time I check in here.

suggestion: ditch the grandma's molasses and get some better black strap molasses, the reason is check the SODIUM % on that jar, and ask if you really want to be adding salt to your grow.
Grandma's and Brer Rabbit, are kick ass for baking, as that touch of salt really makes the flavors of your cookies and breads pop, but as a fertilizer you'll get a salt build up eventually.
Salt will replace potassium, calcium, and magnesium if you get a build up, so they become unavailable to the plant even though you may have plenty in the soil, it'll throw your ph all to hell, and can actually change the osmotic properties in the plant and cause wilting (that's a severe salt OD) and just generally cause grief.
I have a whole foods store near me, so I get the "Wholesome Sweeteners" brand, it's only $7 a quart, and has 730mg potassium per tablespoon (20%), 115mg of calcium (10%) and about 85-88mg of magnesium (8%), and ZERO % SODIUM.

otherwise you're looking good up there.

 

[Harinama]

glad to see things are doing better. Looks like your plants had classic signs of gnats and possibly salt in the soil. I have heard a lot of bad things about ffof soil lately, these 2 issues being primary.

If you see signs like that again, flush with <7 ph water, clearex/dripclean, add b1(for roots), calmag,and 1/2 ferts until they turn around(also maybe some superthrive and silicon).

For gnats, i highly recommend "mosquito dunks", which you can crumble up on the soil (about 1 per 5gal bucket). They will kill off the larvae.

I have had issues with salt and gnats, so i feel your pain. Great job on your grow, you are overcoming serious issues!

 

[snaggy-]

maybe hit them with some more powerful 0-50-xx (or whatever your lineup offers) during the first and last couple weeks of flowering... they could take a little more.

and what fruit said about your pH is crucial

Thanks for the tip, but they had some burn from the last feed, so I want to keep it slow for now.

Hey man have to say you have a nice grow there!

I'm no expert.. but I think those are a bit under developed for 30 days and a 600w light.

Also if I'd be you , I'd go with a 400w , much lower temps, still good yield.
I am sure it is going to be very dank dank dank,

is it possible that you have a light leak in the box? I highly doubt it , but just asking.


k+ top notch shizzle

I agree that they are undeveloped by a bit, but let's hope for some late bloomers (pun intended lol)!

Going down in wattage is not something I am really looking to do though, because more light is better, and the temps are not really an issue because they haven't been going above 80.

I think there was a small light leak from the power strip on light, but I duct taped that up once I realized it.

The plants were fairly slow to show sex and to start flowering, so as long as the trichs arent already turning at 8 weeks I am going to see if I can take them a little longer to fatten them up.

great lookin stuff!
getting better every time I check in here.

suggestion: ditch the grandma's molasses and get some better black strap molasses, the reason is check the SODIUM % on that jar, and ask if you really want to be adding salt to your grow.
Grandma's and Brer Rabbit, are kick ass for baking, as that touch of salt really makes the flavors of your cookies and breads pop, but as a fertilizer you'll get a salt build up eventually.
Salt will replace potassium, calcium, and magnesium if you get a build up, so they become unavailable to the plant even though you may have plenty in the soil, it'll throw your ph all to hell, and can actually change the osmotic properties in the plant and cause wilting (that's a severe salt OD) and just generally cause grief.
I have a whole foods store near me, so I get the "Wholesome Sweeteners" brand, it's only $7 a quart, and has 730mg potassium per tablespoon (20%), 115mg of calcium (10%) and about 85-88mg of magnesium (8%), and ZERO % SODIUM.

otherwise you're looking good up there.

I had absolutely no idea about the molasses being an issue due to the salts. Thank you for sharing that with me!! I will keep the dosage lower for now, and then look for the brand you suggested at the store.

glad to see things are doing better. Looks like your plants had classic signs of gnats and possibly salt in the soil. I have heard a lot of bad things about ffof soil lately, these 2 issues being primary.

If you see signs like that again, flush with <7 ph water, clearex/dripclean, add b1(for roots), calmag,and 1/2 ferts until they turn around(also maybe some superthrive and silicon).

For gnats, i highly recommend "mosquito dunks", which you can crumble up on the soil (about 1 per 5gal bucket). They will kill off the larvae.

I have had issues with salt and gnats, so i feel your pain. Great job on your grow, you are overcoming serious issues!

I actually did use the mosquito dunks and they have worked beautifully. I just crumbled up a dunk over all the soil and I have not found any fliers or larvae near the soil.

Thanks!

 

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Pictures from day 36:

The buds are starting to show colors and are forming well with a lot of trichs. The King's Kush is very impressive so far, and the himalaya gold is finnicky with its feedings and isn't on par with the King's Kush....though it isn't bad by any means.

The room:

Himalaya Gold cola (at least it seems to be a strong producer):

King's Kush:

And a top view with the clones mixed in there:

 

[tetragrammaton]

Beautiful bud formation. How are the Thai Skunks doing?

 

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The Thai's actually turned out to be males so I had t chop them down. It was a bummer, but at least there is more space in the room now. It is all too crowded in there.

 

[tetragrammaton]

That is a bummer but like you said at least now you have more space.

So far what aromas do the KK and HG have?

 

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The King's Kush has a citrus gasoline smell, real strong. The Himalaya Gold doesnt have a very distinct smell just yet.