THE END OF PROHIBITION IN THE U.S

[DJ EtrIp]

I happen to think its very possible but a lot of events need to take place before U.S government gives up its brutal war on "cannabis". I’m not going to bash you guys on why because uMmMmm... "ICMAG"??? lol... Id be preaching to the quire here, But I just wanted to see what you guys think on the subject??

Will it ever happen?

Why isn’t it happening?

And how could we, as a culture (not to be confused as a "Sub-culture"), help the cause of certain organizations such as norml's and the whole BCMP group...?? I think we desperately need more people like ME... Especially in the U.S...

 

[Hunt4Hazez]

Its very simple. Stop being stupid potheads, educate everyone towards the positive and negative effects of the drug. Health risks, ect. Forget the moral implications and taboo's we have had since it has been illegal. And most importantly dont be addicted to any drug whether its legal or not, life is simply more important.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Its very simple. Stop being stupid potheads, educate everyone towards the positive and negative effects of the drug. Health risks, ect. Forget the moral implications and taboo's we have had since it has been illegal. And most importantly dont be addicted to any drug whether its legal or not, life is simply more important.

EXACTLY!!!

1. Don't drive high
2. don't use weed as an excuse to act stupid
3. Obey all laws except drug laws!

*edit* A lot of people who don't smoke don't mind that I smoke, only because I'm down to earth and up front about it. My boss for example, an army veteran, very conservative, but doesn't give a shit because he knows I will never show up to work high and am a responsible person.

Go to norml's website and obey the rules they have listed out to help out the MJ cause. www.norml.org i believe is the site

 

[DJ EtrIp]

I totally agree in that aspect also... = ) KARMA+1!!! lol

Non-smokers and even smokers need to be educated of what marijuana really is, not the debilitating drug that most governments make it out to seem. UN having the nerve to compare it to heroin and cocaine is just ludicrous and untruthful... not only does it show the ignorance and the great lack of unbiased research (not those reports based on those damn prohibitionist researchers warped science), it only proves once again that propaganda still has our society by the balls... Don’t we all have our own minds??

I’ve been going to a local mall on occasion decked out in Norml gear with a lot of information concerning ME, the BCMP foundation, and pamphlets of just facts that people should get it clear in their head. I’m doing this by myself ok?? LOL, as lame as I feel sometimes doing so, it just makes me feel like im doing the right thing you know? makes me feel proud when I toke. We are in desperate need for more pro-active cannabis anti-prohibitionists nation wide...

I think if EVERY pot smoker just got a good talking to about whats really going on, EVERY pot smoker would join the cause as opposed to cheer for it......

 

[Legit_User]

There will have to be something else to take cannabis's place in the war on drugs.
Prison is big buisness,dea-cia-fbi-- etc.. all need their money.
If cannabis were made legal there would be a massive economic problem in our govt.
Prisons would be empty and people would be out of a job.
Right now it's a good cleanser of society. (in the feds eyes)
MJ makes people anti-establishment and they do not like that.
Untill the masses have actually tried it and agree with it the scumbag up there preaching about the short comings of MJ will always get the vote.
stay peacefull

 

[Guest]

Good luck

 

[DJ EtrIp]

Well, it only makes people anti-establishment because of the damn policies implimented in our laws... Yes, they would loose alot of money... but they are already have the past 10 years!! They lost millions because the everyday pot smoker numbers has increased since, and so has the grower population. Like the "prince of pot" says "Over grow the government!"... Untill their tired of loosing money... Greedy basterds

 

[Hunt4Hazez]

In the US the big reason MJ is illegal is capitolism. MJ is illegal, this creates a black market, thus the big drug dealers make alot of money and the DEA can see that, so in turn they exploit the system by making money of fighting MJ (and having smaller paychecks then a druglord).

The harder the druglords and DEA works the more money generated for the system, and this is justified by both parties because the drug dealers realize MJ is harmless and sell it like candy at high prices, and the DEA Justifies throwing these people in jail by upholding the propaganda that MJ is a truly harmful substance put on the face of the earth by the devil to harm people and the only way to stop it is to completely rid the planet of it.

Capitolism is the best money system on this planet, but with the laws in the world it sure is easy to exploit.



Simply put, it's more profitable to keep illegal than to legalize.

 

[Legit_User]

Well, it only makes people anti-establishment because of the damn policies implimented in our laws... Yes, they would loose alot of money... but they are already have the past 10 years!! They lost millions because the everyday pot smoker numbers has increased since, and so has the grower population. Like the "prince of pot" says "Over grow the government!"... Untill their tired of loosing money... Greedy basterds

It's more than just the laws that make it anti-estab.
Of course this could just be my "trip" but it allows one to see through the bullshit and often makes people ask "why"..
They are not losing money in the prison system.
They keep there competition in there.......
Want to see why even medical MJ can't seem to get it right.
Go to weedtracker and read....... Read all about the greed and profit.
One day you will see that site as exhibit "A" in the take down of MMJ.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

I apologize in advance for correcting you guys, but the DEA and our prison systems do NOT profit from marijuana. Those systems are federal and paid for with tax dollars. It is not a big conspiracy that makes MJ illegal, thinking so just makes the rest of us look stupid (no offense).

The only people who profit off of criminalized drugs are drug dealers.

 

[Legit_User]

Uhmmmm.....
You must not remember the Iran/contra scandal?
Everyones got their hand in the honey pot, believe it...
The only thing that makes us look stupid is the fact we have all the proof in the world it's a medicinal plant and it's still illegal.
The Gov. makes us look stupid.


p.s.--
their dealings may not go "directly" to the prison system but you bet your ass there are 101 special "secret" projects all funded by the war on drugs.

 

[Legit_User]

It is not a big conspiracy that makes MJ illegal, thinking so just makes the rest of us look stupid (no offense).

Your going to have to explain that one to me.
Why is it illegal?
Nobody has ever conspired to make it illegal?
Camon my friend.

 

[Jam Master Jaco]

Your going to have to explain that one to me.
Why is it illegal?
Nobody has ever conspired to make it illegal?
Camon my friend.

my point is it's illegal because politicians honestly think that marijuana use leads to criminal behavior, not because some odd conspiracy is going on. We must prove to politicians that MJ use does not lead to criminal behavior by simply not breaking any laws other then the fact that we smoke weed.

 

[Verite]

Why? Because of self serving bags of dick like Marc Emery have put the prohibition cause back by tens of years with his own stupid selfish actions.

Until you can see the forest thru the trees you will never understand.

If you also think the US govt is going to just up and cave in on the issue you are sadly mistaken too. Why do you think NORMLs goals are one state at a time?

 

[DJ EtrIp]

DAmn... lol

Legit: Wouldn’t you rebel against sumthing that is oppressing your
belief system? Why would the prison system be loosing money? I’m talking about the DEA. Specifically anti-cannabis campaigns that has cost the DEA millions... The amount of marijuana confiscated, is far less then the amount out in circulation... So that only really proves that their attempts have been futile... I don’t know if we're talking about the same thing, but none the less, I respect you out-put in the situation, no doubt.

Jam : I see how u could refute that the prison system does not make money off the marijuana being "seized"... But the money that does go into cops pockets is paid by their state, for every person they bust. Like I mentioned above... DEA is loosing terrible amounts of money, with negative (our in our case positive) feedback. No more money for the prohibitionist campaign... people will loose jobs, and believe that checks are going to get cut. But then again, I could also refute that and say that they would just veer that money towards other drugs and started the process all over again lol... I try to keep up to date as possible, but pleas, if you now of something that I might be saying in lack of knowledge, send me a link to your resource... I appreciate it...

Verite: Well you may have your opinions, but all I ask is to not shit on mine... at no point have I ever implied it would just "cave in"...and I quote u.... "Why? Because of self serving bags of dick like Marc Emery have put the prohibition cause back by tens of years with his own stupid selfish actions"... UmMMmm.... That was the point, putting the prohibitionist cause back ten years so we could enjoy the simple option of growing our own pot, taking a stand for the injustice and hypocrisy in our governments way of handling the situation, of having hope that there are people out there who are courages enough to stick up for marijuana user. Even though norml has been very successful in doing what they do... Like you said... Its a slow process... ME is simply taking a different route my friend. Norml is going through the back door with signs and petitions, ME is going right through the front door, with a bag full of weed, dressed with a blazer and slacks. Shock the nation and u will get a reaction... What’s so selfish about that? he’s frekin martyr.

Wow this discussion is getting pretty heated… Lets not try to “correct” each other, but lets try to “inform” each other guys… This isn’t a competition, nor is one person right nor wrong. Pleas, don’t ever think (or try to imply it) you know “better” then a person, because it makes anyone sound pretentious.

 

[Hunt4Hazez]

I apologize in advance for correcting you guys, but the DEA and our prison systems do NOT profit from marijuana. Those systems are federal and paid for with tax dollars. It is not a big conspiracy that makes MJ illegal, thinking so just makes the rest of us look stupid (no offense).

The only people who profit off of criminalized drugs are drug dealers.

Bullshit.

Drug dealers are making an extravagant living for themselves with the risk of going to jail. And DEA agents, police, and government officials are making a living of fighting it.

Is the root of the problem that people are addicted to drugs or that they are trying to solve problems in the wrong way?

Once your a tweaker or a heroin addict its gonna be impossible to rid the habbit cold turkey, but should we give them methadone and prescription drugs or just make sure they have progressively smaller doses...

 

[moonshoes]

I apologize in advance for correcting you guys, but the DEA and our prison systems do NOT profit from marijuana. Those systems are federal and paid for with tax dollars. It is not a big conspiracy that makes MJ illegal, thinking so just makes the rest of us look stupid (no offense).

The only people who profit off of criminalized drugs are drug dealers.

You are wrong. While the DEA and prison systems don't make money directly from marijuana, they make money by putting asses in the cells due to marijuana offenses.

"The economic benefits of new prisons may come from the flow of additional state and federal dollars. In the decennial census, prisoners are counted where they are incarcerated, and many federal and state funding streams are tied to census population counts. According to the U.S. General Accounting Office (2003), the federal government distributes over $140 billion in grant money to state and local governments through formula-based grants. Formula grant money is in part based on census data and covers programs such as Medicaid, Foster Care, Adoption Assistance, and Social Services Block Grant (U.S. General Accounting Office 2003). Within a state, funding for community health services, road construction and repair, public housing, local law enforcement, and public libraries are all driven by population counts from the census."

Source: Lawrence, Sarah and Jeremy Travis, "The New Landscape of Imprisonment: Mapping America's Prison Expansion" (Washington, DC: Urban Institute, April 2004), p. 3.

Not to mention all the court fees, salaries for prosecuting lawyers, etc. They are making BANK and they will never give it up in any of our lifetimes.

President Jimmy Carter told Congress in 1977:

"Penalties against a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marijuana in private for personal use. The National Commission on Marijuana and Abuse concluded years ago that marijuana use should be decriminalized, and I believe it is time to implement those basic recommendations.

Therefore, I support legislation amending federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana."

If the prez can't sell it to Congress, who can?

 

[Guest]

Ok...take the number of MJ posession arrests, and compare it to DUI arrests. If it were to become legal and treated similar to alcohol (seems like it would have to be), I'm sure that there would be laws regarding driving under the influence, and therefore lead to probably just as many arrests as there have been arrests for possession. granted, the distribution arrests that account for larger cash seizures, as well as longer jail time for greatly overshadow the small, petty dui arrests, there would be no shortage of MJ-related arrests even as it becomes legal. But ALOT of dealers would have to get real jobs, although I'd still grow my own, or buy from a buddy rather than trust what a large corporation would be selling in bulk.

But much like prohibition w/ alcohol...you've got to be willing to die for the cause. not for the "distribution" for the sake of a profit(the dealers who have been killed in the streets or by feds), but for the distribution/posession for the sake of it being right. Not many of us are willing to do that. I know I'm not.

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

If cannabis were made legal there would be a massive economic problem in our govt.

Prisons would be empty and people would be out of a job.

ahahahahahah

apparently you've never been incarcerated before...

 

[naga_sadu]

I happen to think its very possible but a lot of events need to take place before U.S government gives up its brutal war on "cannabis". I’m not going to bash you guys on why because uMmMmm... "ICMAG"??? lol... Id be preaching to the quire here, But I just wanted to see what you guys think on the subject??

Will it ever happen?

Why isn’t it happening?

And how could we, as a culture (not to be confused as a "Sub-culture"), help the cause of certain organizations such as norml's and the whole BCMP group...?? I think we desperately need more people like ME... Especially in the U.S...

To answer your question "why isin't it happening", you might want to ask yourself "why did it happen in the first place?" and you'll find the answer to what you asked when u answered that.

Prob is, mmj was made illegal in the US as a corporate initiative, not like any ethno-moral bull shit some proponents of the media attribute it as. The year the criminalisation bill passed was on 1937. Look a few years behind it... Hemp is a viable substitute for paper. It's also a substitute for many chems offered by giants such as DuPont. In the late 20s to the early 30s, this source (hemp) became a cheaper, more efficient and better quality alternatives to the providers of chems and paper. But the chem giants such as DuPont and paper tycoons such as Hearst had a very strong clout in the US government. It's an inherent fallacy of capitalistic systems (i.e. where too few have too much $$$, and when that $$$ translates to control over govt) which was bound to manifest itself.

Also, they heavily financed the politicians in the US back then. Thus, the US govt. was more or less a convenience arm for its corporate class and nothing more. Since the hemp and chems tycoons had enough clout to artificially (by use of extra-economic (political) means to stay afloat despite the presence of a superior alternative to the people.

The mass criminilisation and demonisation was only done to cover up their real reasons behind their actions- to keep competition shut and maintain peak profits indifinitely (which won't happen under normal circumstances). They had enough $$$ to push their initiative hard at a mass level thru the media. A classic example is reefer madness and all the junk which followed. The alcohol industries joined the bandwagon during this time. Later on, when this globalisation phenominon came, the medical and pharmaceutical companies joined the bandwagon because mmj has curative properties + is used to treat disease by many cultures. So, the pharma giants wanted to push their products worldwide and reap super normal profits by shutting down an alternative traditional medicinal source. If u want to see this sort of market penetration being done, right in front of your very own eyes, head to Laos...

So, as u can see the illegalisation is a corporate initiative. So, it needs a solution which works around this, rather than along the lines of politics and/ or drama. Too much action is taken nowadays on drama and politics. That's not even the core of the problem.

First off, find out what corporations have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal and criminalised? What products / services do they offer? Try to offer non corporate alternative products/ services to some people in your community. At least 4 or 5. And encourage them to do it as well. Whatever said or done, corporations survive because they have a consumer base. Every $$$ people spend on their products makes them stronger and their views, the prevailing ones. By doing what I rec., you'll at least strip 4-5 out of their consumer base. But you got to keep working hard, encourage others to do it, set goals, monitor progress and...presist. It will be a very tough going, but it's possible. The more you strip them of their consumer base, the weaker they get. But you got to presist full time and get others to do the same.

Of course if you're doing this full time, the next concern is to budget yourselfs. As in make the project financially self sustaining. No point in talking ideas w/o a financial plan. For example, find out many corporate over the counter pills. Provide substitutes in form of Ayurvedic solutions. They're easily available. You can sell it for a modest profit- but you shouldn't focus on when you can get a beachfront home etc. Your goals should all be about expansion and surging ahead. Requires lots of persistance but it has done on other parts of the world + it has worked.

It was done right here in my home state, which is why we have a kick ass greens scene.

And on a final note, the amount of indirect players involved in keeping mmj illegal should also be noted. Mainly the construction biz. Prison building is a lucrative business. America today hosts abt. 22.5% of the world's total prisoner pop (Source: LEAP- law enforcement against prohibition). Who invests in private prison buildings? DO research and get the lists.

The efforts will bear fruit if multiple people of multiple talents do this. Starting sometime is better than starting never. Trust me, we're glad we started in 1989 and were seeing the results today. The early/mid 90s was tough. But the people surged thru. And the results today speaks for itself...

Also, from my experience verbal swashbucklers promising quick action thru a sudden revolution or mass rising are usually full of shit who are in it only for themselfs...it's hard but it can be done.