The CBD Crew?

[grasspass]

I will have to look that movie up. At least we knew that it was the bud that got you high. Back then we didn't know about light cycles and when we planted our Colombian seeds they never matured before the frost killed them.

 

[cannaboy]

Is this when weed was weed,,

The Columbian gold was forced to finish early by slicing the stems to inhibit transpiration and pack on the resin apparently drying red coloured on the vine I think I recall connel clarke describes he witnessed in Marijuana botany,, you need old copies of the books the with the hand drawings, he also describes the make up of haze and thc cbd content ect,
I have access to lots of old sat seeds from usa mexican & other south american import and mabe some from india a few years back from a friend, but the chances of working it is beyond me,, I bet most are bag seed, that is good in the vintage seeds as neville started that way but I don't hold hope for keeping a revival pure mabe a hybrid to get some vigour??? I know if you don't look around you won't find pure seeds, but some company's today still make the same pips they did 40 years ago, BeAn bought most of them, some smoke pukka,,

 

[funkymonkey]

There were a lot of old tales about various techniques being used to make plants finish, in Colombia they were supposed to remove part of the bark near the base of the stem, In India they used wire to bind the stem, in Mexico they drove stakes or nails through the stem, all were probably actually done, whether it had any effect or not I don't know for sure, I suspect it did make the plants finish quicker but maybe to the detriment of quality.

Don't be fooled that the seed companies still sell the same stuff they used to. The original seed companies are all gone, Lowland Seeds was the first in Holland, started 78 I seem to recall, then changed into Positronics in 1982, they closed in 1998. Sensi Seeds were another early one, I think they started in 1984, but their stock is all shit these days and not at all like the originals. Nevil started in 1982, he was the first to ship seeds anywhere, Lowlands only sold in Holland.

The only stuff still available today that is the same as it ever was comes from Mr Nice, their oldest breeds originate with Nevil in the mid to late 80s.

There is usually lots of vigour in landraces, vigour is lost through inbreeding and bottlenecking as the result of multiple 1x1 matings over successive generations, a very bad breeding practice. The problem you'll find with those vintage seeds you describe isn't they will lack vigour, it's that they won't be adapted to indoor growing methods, they won't like to be fed much, may well freak out and produce male sacks indoors, with skill and a light soil mix you can make some of them work but they are rarely as productive as a modern hybrid as they aren't bred for yield and flowering time, often you can wait months for em to finish and end up with grams not ounces off a plant. This is where breeding comes into play in order to work the lines to adapt them to indoor growing, often you have to hybridise them to make em worthwhile indoors. A shortcut is to cross an exotic landrace male to a well proven female cutting, plenty of people have done this, Pablo Cheese is the Exodus Cheese cut pollinated by a Colombian Gold. I remember Bean showed some pics of his Oaxacan, he burnt the shit out of it cos he fed it like it was a modern hybrid, it takes different methods to grow those old lines.

I struggle to think of many seeds from Holland I'd want to grow these days, most of the Dutch companies are utter frauds and most of the seed is bought in from outside sources.

The Dutch banned seed production in 1998, things have gone a very long way downhill since then.

 

[englishrick]

exactly,,,they came from the same species after all,,,,that species being part of the cannabaceae variety,,cannabaceae is the family an hemp has the buildingblocks for the cannabis people smoke,,,thats the truth

 

[elmanito]

an hemp has the buildingblocks for the cannabis people smoke,,,thats the truth

Only when it has the alleles Bt/Bd or Bt/allele alone.

Namaste

 

[englishrick]

oooooo,,,

looks like your about to step into real Cannabis Taxamony el,,,any chance you could expand on your post about Bt and Bd alleles?

 

[headband 707]

Abstract
This paper aims to clarify the genetic mechanism that is responsible for the accumulation of cannabigerol (CBG) in certain phenotypes of Cannabis sativa L. CBG is the direct precursor of the cannabinoids CBD, THC and CBC. Plants strongly predominant in CBG have been found in different fibre hemp accessions. Inbred offspring derived from one such individual were crossed with true breeding THC predominant- and CBD predominant plants, respectively. The segregations in the cross progenies indicate that CBG accumulation is due to the homozygous presence of a minimally functional allele, tentatively called B0, at the single locus B that normally controls the conversion of CBG into THC (allele BT) and/or CBD (allele BD). The fact that CBG accumulating plants have so far been found in European fibre hemp populations that are generally composed of BD/BD plants, and the observation that the here investigated B0 allele possesses a residual ability to convert small amounts of CBG into CBD, make it plausible that this B0 is a mutation of normally functional BD. Therefore, B0 is considered as a member of the BD allelic series encoding a CBD synthase isoform with greatly weakened substrate affinity and/or catalytic capacity.
Keywords cannabigerol - cannabinoids - Cannabis - chemotype - inheritance

 

[johnnyla]

one of the high cbd strains at harborside i picked up was Romulan. it had 7% thc and 5.9% CBD. just an FYI.

 

[funkymonkey]

exactly,,,they came from the same species after all,,,,that species being part of the cannabaceae variety,,cannabaceae is the family an hemp has the buildingblocks for the cannabis people smoke,,,thats the truth

You're being almost unbelievably obtuse rick, yes they are the same species but you're again making a poor point that isn't completely correct. Hemp and drug cannabis are different animals same as a Yorkshire Terrier and an Alaskan Timberwolf are different animals but the same species.

Only when it has the alleles Bt/Bd or Bt/allele alone.

EXACTLY. Without the Bt allele a cannabis plant won't have THC. If a hemp line is Bd only it doesn't have the building blocks as rick puts it to breed a drug variety.

oooooo,,,

looks like your about to step into real Cannabis Taxamony el,,,any chance you could expand on your post about Bt and Bd alleles?

The Bt and Bd alleles are paired, Bt is the THC one, Bd the CBD one. Cannabis has probably always had this pair of alleles, a strong indicator of this is the discovery of several thousand year old high THC drug cannabis in grave goods in China I mentioned earlier.

Abstract
This paper aims to clarify the genetic mechanism that is responsible for the accumulation of cannabigerol (CBG) in certain phenotypes of Cannabis sativa L. CBG is the direct precursor of the cannabinoids CBD, THC and CBC. Plants strongly predominant in CBG have been found in different fibre hemp accessions. Inbred offspring derived from one such individual were crossed with true breeding THC predominant- and CBD predominant plants, respectively. The segregations in the cross progenies indicate that CBG accumulation is due to the homozygous presence of a minimally functional allele, tentatively called B0, at the single locus B that normally controls the conversion of CBG into THC (allele BT) and/or CBD (allele BD). The fact that CBG accumulating plants have so far been found in European fibre hemp populations that are generally composed of BD/BD plants, and the observation that the here investigated B0 allele possesses a residual ability to convert small amounts of CBG into CBD, make it plausible that this B0 is a mutation of normally functional BD. Therefore, B0 is considered as a member of the BD allelic series encoding a CBD synthase isoform with greatly weakened substrate affinity and/or catalytic capacity.
Keywords cannabigerol - cannabinoids - Cannabis - chemotype - inheritance

Good info, thanks for posting that.

one of the high cbd strains at harborside i picked up was Romulan. it had 7% thc and 5.9% CBD. just an FYI.

That's interesting, 7% seems really low for the THC content, I would expect Romulan to be way higher than that. How was the smoke?

 

[johnnyla]

it was weird. didn't get me that high but it was relaxing. i really enjoyed mixing it with other stronger herb. i also don't think it was grown that well. looked like commercial outdoor. the right grower could kill it with an original cut or crossed with a higher thc strain. maybe it was a diluted Romulan? i read on the internets that pure Romulan is clone only.

 

[elmanito]

Originally Posted by englishrick View Post
oooooo,,,

looks like your about to step into real Cannabis Taxamony el,,,any chance you could expand on your post about Bt and Bd alleles?

This is the document i'm talking about Rick

The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L.

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/163/1/335

Namaste

 

[funkymonkey]

I'm familiar with that paper Elmanito, it's a good one, thanks for posting it. Gotta say, I always find your input very interesting and well informed, keep it up!

 

[englishrick]

You're being almost unbelievably obtuse rick, yes they are the same species but you're again making a poor point that isn't completely correct. Hemp and drug cannabis are different animals same as a Yorkshire Terrier and an Alaskan Timberwolf are different animals but the same species.

rarther than telling me im making a its a "poor-point",,,why dont you point-out the actual taxamonic mistakes i have made,,,why dont you make your make your taxamonic position clear?,

ive got a feeling if you make your position perfectly clear, we will share parralell opinions,,

 

[englishrick]

ive also read that paper before el,,thanks for posting it,,,please god 1day il understand it fully,,lol,,,i live in hope

 

[HashMonkey1982]

Really been trying to track down a high CBD strain myself and have been for a while now. Wish i could obtain some seeds of potentially high CBD plants for medicinal purposes. Growing mazar-i-sharif and deep chunk at present. I want something less "stoney" than the mazars as i really want to be able to do stuff while i smoke to. I'm thinking chinese yunnan strain or similar would be ideal.

 

[elmanito]

Really been trying to track down a high CBD strain myself and have been for a while now. Wish i could obtain some seeds of potentially high CBD plants for medicinal purposes. Growing mazar-i-sharif and deep chunk at present. I want something less "stoney" than the mazars as i really want to be able to do stuff while i smoke to. I'm thinking chinese yunnan strain or similar would be ideal.

Well i had a few Yunnans in the garden this year which was actually a combination of Yunnan indica & Parvati, but some moron took most of it.The seeds were not even ripe.



Namaste

 

[HashMonkey1982]

that's a shame Elmanito ( sounds like a good cross. I gotta try some of these strains potentially high CBD.

peace

 

[de145]

, therefore we have no idea if drug cannabis came from hemp or not. Unless you have a time machine to go back to a time before man had even founded the first civilisation then you have no idea on that, no-one does. Read all the books you want, they cannot give you the answer on that one.

Um... I think we could put this to rest with the right people doing a little DNA detective work. I have no doubt at all it will be put to rest once the current legal climate falls and proper research can start back up again.

 

[de145]

Really been trying to track down a high CBD strain myself and have been for a while now. Wish i could obtain some seeds of potentially high CBD plants for medicinal purposes. Growing mazar-i-sharif and deep chunk at present. I want something less "stoney" than the mazars as i really want to be able to do stuff while i smoke to. I'm thinking chinese yunnan strain or similar would be ideal.

Wow, we're running down parallel tracks, you and I.

For some time now I've been trying to research a reliable high CBD strain I can grow from seed and had just come across Mazar-I-Sharif as potentially higher CBD as well as some other hash type plants.

I'm skeptical of Cannatonic, a lot of people claim to have grown or be growing it, a lot less claim to have smoked it and so far not one person that I've come across has reported on what the effect is like smoking it and worse yet no one has evidence that the famously high CBD sample of Cannatonic tested was anything more than a single flukey phenotype.

That being said I'd like to give it a try anyway.

I would love to get a list of reliably high CBD seeds that are available from reputable seed banks, I'll happily mix them in the bowl with my high thc strains, I don't need it all in one plant.

Any info you came across in your research would be very helpful.

So would an affordable Cannalytics test kit and everyone posting the results online to get a decent sized database going.

 

[mriko]

Nice thread...

I think you're partly right. The Scythians grew lots of cannabis for ritual use, they would throw bushels of the flower tops on stone hearths inside leather tents then close all the tent flaps and sit inside inhaling the smoke. They used the stems for fibre. After the Romans conquered parts of the lands the Scythians inhabited (they were semi-nomadic so ranged over quite a large area of eastern and southern europe) they carried on cultivating cannabis but mostly for fibre. The feral cannabis populations in Moravia (Czech Republic) are descended from Scythian and Roman crops and definitely contain both CBD and THC chemotypes, I have grown seeds collected in Moravian fields and there are some high THC individuals, it would not be too hard to make a high THC line from that population if one used sufficient numbers for selection.

The feral populations of Bulgaria, Albania and the Balkans has a mixed ancestry, some of it does descend from drug cannabis as there used to be a fair bit of hashish production in Greece, Macedonia, Thrace and the rest of the southern Balkan region, however, a lot of fibre crops were also grown throughout eastern and southern europe so the feral populations there today have had multiple inputs of genes at different times over the centuries.

Actually, European populations can be traced to much older times than those of Romans or Scythians, by several thousands years.

Personnaly I think that, despite their documented use of the plant, Scythians didn't play such a great role in the dispersal of the cannabis genus, which might have rather been accomplished by Tocharian related people.

I honestly think we shouldn't overlook the usefulness of the feral hemp populations of Europe, there is potential there for breeding drug cultivars, now that we have lost a lot of the drug cultivars that were maintained for centuries in places like Thailand, Afghanistan and India we need to start looking at other populations. I'm personally interested in the populations of Central Asia - Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Dagestan etc. There are some very old hashish making cultures in that part of the world. In the 19th century when the British began to study hashish the best qualities were the hand rubbed charases from Yarkand and Samarkand in Central Asia. Stalin did a lot to disrupt and destroy the traditional cultures in that region, hundreds of thousands were shipped off to the gulags, traditional medicines and shamanic beliefs were suppressed, but it won't all have been destroyed, there will still be some special very old cultivars to be found but there are almost no roads in that region, it's steppes mostly and the people are largely nomadic outside the urban centres.

There's definitely some potential in European populations, all it needs is to start from scratch eheh...
Actually Yarkandi & Samarkandi charas are not hand-rubbed, but of the dry sieved type. It's after the pressing & cooking that the sieved resin (gardah), turns to charas. Although name is same, it's different product that Himalayan charas.

Actually Staline didn't managed to destroy all the hash culture of Turkestan. I think he's not around anymore, but few years ago we had an ICmag member from Kerala, who had travelled in Uzbekistan during soviet times, and from what he wrote it was great time for hash. Plentifull & easy to find, with little repression. Helped the people to keep quiet, so authorities let them do. Now it's "war on drugs" all around, but definitely still lots of genetics to discover.

Irie !