Oldmans_Herbs
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Happy thoughts Cannabunkerman. i too have a bunker. i grow in soil but still.. its nice having a cool climate aint it.. best reguards 73's all the way.
Herb
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I don't think I'll keep any more soil moms, since I'll be paying much MUCH more attention to keeping more clones than needed. If I always have enough rooted clones available to start from scratch at any time, that problem should go away. I routinely replace the mother plants with fresh vigorous clones anyway.
The problem with soil is that I've finally gotten to the point with the hydro that I don't need to worry about watering, except for the soil moms, and the clone trays. I wish there was a way to keep a minimum of water in the clone trays, then I could forget about watering completely.
Thanks man! Yeah, having the same coolant draw during the winter as during the summer is great. I dreaded the comming of summer in the old spot, now it doesn't matter what time of the year it is.
Good news with the TBB beans, 5 years old and still mostly viable. All sprouts are locked and loaded. Shouldn't be long now...
LOL, I just noticed the avatar Funk. What do you call your bunker, Vault MJ-101? I love Fallout, fellow vault dweller. Go figure!
Are there any good medium-long term clone storage ideas out there? Something a little more automated than checking the water level every day would make me feel a lot safer. Those clone plugs can dry out right-quick, and kill the clone. I can fill the tray with enough water for a week or two after the roots show to slow everything down.
How easy are tissue culture methods? Do any of you think that would be a good route for me? Any good tissue culture how-to's out there? A good book?
How easy are tissue culture methods? Do any of you think that would be a good route for me? Any good tissue culture how-to's out there? A good book?
Cloning in Expanded Clay would take misters (power cloner, ez cloner style), probably.
You can always try Expanded Clay (Hydroton, Hydrokoral) Ebb and Flow with the early veg. Put tray on top of res, use pump and timer, even seen misters keep the net pots happy.
Bigger the res, usually the stabler the system.
No light leaks, though.
Mad Lib like DE tray.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4430423#post4430423
You can always try Expanded Clay (Hydroton, Hydrokoral) Ebb and Flow with the early veg. Put tray on top of res, use pump and timer, even seen misters keep the net pots happy.
Bigger the res, usually the stabler the system.
No light leaks, though.
Mad Lib like DE tray.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4430423#post4430423
onthaherb
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CBM I loved the build thread and can't wait to see this next chapter...
That being said I've heard tissue requires a sterile environment which is impractical for most growers but may work given your situation. I am a novice grower but have had nothing but success with some of the simplest cloning methods.
For simplicity, cut a thin thick piece of styrofoam to that will float freely in an open container. Then find something to secure the clones, pick your poison, I use rapid rooter plugs but some uses neoprene sleeves or chopped up pool noodles. Make some holes in the styrofoam to fit the plugs or whatever securely and make some cuts. Fill your container with distilled water and float your clone boat and run an airstone. You will have many rooted clones before there is no more water to float in... Never tried but I'm about a [9] and it sounds good and cheap to me.
I've had 100% success with aero-dwc hybrid cloners... Container with lid and holes drill for sleeves or plugs... Water pump with simple PVC sprayer manifold and it keeps everything nice and wet.
That being said I've heard tissue requires a sterile environment which is impractical for most growers but may work given your situation. I am a novice grower but have had nothing but success with some of the simplest cloning methods.
For simplicity, cut a thin thick piece of styrofoam to that will float freely in an open container. Then find something to secure the clones, pick your poison, I use rapid rooter plugs but some uses neoprene sleeves or chopped up pool noodles. Make some holes in the styrofoam to fit the plugs or whatever securely and make some cuts. Fill your container with distilled water and float your clone boat and run an airstone. You will have many rooted clones before there is no more water to float in... Never tried but I'm about a [9] and it sounds good and cheap to me.
I've had 100% success with aero-dwc hybrid cloners... Container with lid and holes drill for sleeves or plugs... Water pump with simple PVC sprayer manifold and it keeps everything nice and wet.
I was thinking about building some sort of sterile hood anyway, for mushrooms. Maybe I could make something that could work for that too, some sort of bulk subtrate sterile closet.
I tried using a bubble cloner, but I had an even lower success rate with that.
A flood and drain hydroton cloner? That would meet my requirements of a long term storage device, and it would get rid of my need for rapid rooters.
I tried using a bubble cloner, but I had an even lower success rate with that.
A flood and drain hydroton cloner? That would meet my requirements of a long term storage device, and it would get rid of my need for rapid rooters.
I got one now, the floating clone tray with plugs included. just started using it but if you float it in a big tote it could last 2 weeks easy, it gives the perfect air water ratio. another one is to use wicks
good luck
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Sorry for your losses. Hope it all comes back together.
Sorry for your losses. Hope it all comes back together.
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dynamitejack
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Nice grow bro! It's going to take longer than a month to get seeds over here and ready to rock. Just give your moms some recovery time and make new clones, there's no need to rush.
Have you tried cloning with rockwool cubes? The 1.5" grodan cubes are cheaper than plugs at PLH and I got better results with cubes than plugs in my side by side. So I ditched the plugs.
It takes mine a month to root well, too. A bit longer, maybe 5 weeks for my Nebulas.
I don't check my cubes every day but everyone's climate is different. I'm in a very humid climate and I keep my clones in a climate-controlled room anyway. I check them about once every 3 to 5 days, depending on how long they've been rooting. Near the end I'm checking them every couple since they're starting to drink.
If I was worried about them drying out I'd use a wick system. Just play with the cord weights until I found one I liked. I might do that eventually just to make it more automated.
I've considered flood and drain for clones too, but not with hydroton. I was thinking of using a mini f & d system to water the cuts in rw cubes. Flood maybe once a day or once every two days.
The reason E&F works so well with Hyrdoton is that it freely drains.
Be careful with automating watering of r/w, it is a good way to get root rot.
Well, if I don't get things going soon, I might have a hard time down the line affording things like food. Patience is a virtue but forsight is more practicle.
First off...Where's the outdoor veggie garden?
Farm animals?
200 Lb sacks of rice?
Plus potatoes are dirt cheap.
You'll learn to love them.
Is it time to consider a low tech grow that will get you through enough harvests to have enough of a buffer to start playing with aero again?
Many have gone back to low tech, and aren't looking to get complicated again.
No turning back, I have finally arrived.
Actually, I was away for a week, and the garden performed gloriously. The reservoir auto-topper has been reliable, and watering the plants is no longer a primary thought. I'll check to see that the res is full, and it's on to more interesting things.
I also check the EC and add ferts as needed, since the auto-topper dilutes the solution. I'll be scheduling a cleaning after each harvest, but other than that, there's no water change-outs. I think changeouts are at best a waste of water, and at wort it pollutes the local watertable.
As long as it seems stable, then by all means, aero away!
I started in hydro about 15 years ago, and I'm actually more comfortable in hydro than dirt.
I'm starting to see some more green. The sprouts are all TBB, and will be replaced by the Island Sweet Skunk x (Colombian Red x Afgani), and DGS Killer Queen Redux when they've cracked.
There's a bug in the 5th picture. Any entomolgists out there?
