The BroomRoom...

[DONAJTHEIII]

......... small pictures.... sorry....

Dude smelly you need to isolate that blue dream the other plants look brutal with that tacoing etc.


I lost alot of genetics to these before people like storm,retro, etc helped all of us out. I only got to keep one mom that bluedream looks like itll be your keeper mom.

Throw the bad shit out trust me.

You need to get a mom that you can grow out and focus on keeping clean then you can take your own cuttings. Trust me i tried this fight so long. Throw the crap out and keep the best looking things and focus on those.

Ive used the heat treatments to keep bugs away after hitting them with chems. I grew my one little kksc babe that I cut back so bad literally only was a stump with a branch ahaha took me two in a half months to make it a mom. literally my only plant. I then killed her and took all new cuttings. Been clean ever since. I stopped using chems now its only predators for me havent looked back since.


The problem with your heat treatment is not about getting the area heated . Do not put them in direct light raise those lights give them a good watering too. They need to be away from Direct sunlight and direct heat being given off by space heaters.

Heat treatments have only killed plants in my garden that were user errors and I can tell you this by personal exp.


Next time put the blue dream in the corner of the room away from direct heat/light. Its all about the room temp. and getting high humidity.



AJAE

 

[Miraculous Meds]

......... small pictures.... sorry....

no worries u just click on them to make them bigger. works for me. yeah I feel u on going to fast. u got to take ur time and double check everything when doing a new treatment like this. learn ur lessons so u don't make the same mistake again.

heres to better times and healthier plants. smoke u one, get some perspective and make the best out of it.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

More pics....

lights on, heat starts...

clones after their sauna, looking like they enjoyed it....

and then........ one of the blue dreams... I think shes tryna say she didnt dig the sauna... maybe tad hot for her... sadly this is probs the best looking out of the mothers[16total].... hopefully she can make a turn around..... advice? the other genetics Ill have to clone back into new moms, timely....
Sorry bout head tilts again...
Hopefully this is the start to a cycle of successful "operation eradication" as eek-a-mouse would say....

 

[SmellyFlorist]

.... And some pics of last harvest...

8 weeks complete...

11 weeks complete....

Nug shot....

 

[RetroGrow]

About BMs, heat treatments, etc.:
Pyrethrums will not kill Broad, Cyclamen or Russett mites. Also, have never tried it on Russett mites. Don't know what the temperature is that will kill them. All bugs die at a certain temperature. Broad and cyclamen mites are particularly heat sensitive. Don't know about Russett mites
You need a 100X scope to see what you are up against, and if it's even a pest. You can get a cheap one in Radio Shack or on Amazon for $10, Not the best, but works. Although a good scope with attached camera is the best investment you can make, so you don't have to guess about what you are dealing with, and can take and post pictures of whatever it is. Plants with broad mites usually have twisted leaves, which I am not seeing on your pictures. I would not treat for anything without confirming by scope.
Important with heat treatment: NO FANS. Hot air blowing on plants will damage leaves. Don't have space heaters blowing on plants. Raise plants off the floor, as hot air rises ,and keep space heaters under plants. Put something under plants, like another pot inverted, or anything to raise them up. Important: make sure plants are completely hydrated. Looks like you are in coco, so that coco should be soaked first. Looks a bit dry in the picture. You want it wet.
Nowadays, a scope is not an optional thing. So many pests being spread by dispensaries and selling/trading of clones, that you really need a microscope to know what you are dealing with. All new additions should be quarantined.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I have had that exact type of leaf damage and im not a bug specialist but the bugs that I did see with a 100x scope looked a lot like cyclamen mites, and broads/cyclamens are treated the same way from my reading.

 

[RetroGrow]

Retro, what do u mean by meristem?

Im not 100% but Im pretty sure I have broad or cyclamen and I can see them on the leaf near the vien and petiole. They sure didn't look like the russet mite. Also does russet mite damage look like the op's damage, cause when I google broads, it shows pics of damage that looks like the ops, and mine when I had them previously. In short whats the common damage of russets compared to broads?
thnks

Meristem is the new growth shoots, typically curled up, providing tasty shoots and a place to hide from predators and the light.
I'm not saying he doesn't have broad mites. Just saying that broad mites typically cause a twisting of the leaves, which is quite distinctive. Russetts are bigger, and they eat more of the plant, leaving bare looking stems, whereas broad mites do their damage not by the amount they eat, which is small, but rather by the toxins they inject, which mess up the plants, even if it's only a small number of mites. Aspirin will mitigate the effects of the toxins by jump starting the plant's immune system, and should be started as soon as you notice anything suspicious.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@ RetroGrow.... thank sooo much for checking back in....
Im starting to hear you on the scope thing, I often need to be spoken to more than once... Ill have to pop back into town asap, an have a good scratch around, place it so third world thou...
Probs got a better chance of borrowing one from a doc or something...
Theres a bidding site or two in the country, had a quik search, cheapest was $500 dollars when converted, everything once here is ten times the price... I could get digi ballasts, 7 hour drive, and the 400w ones start at $500.... bout two months of minimum wage... not bitching, just giving some context...
But Im beginning to understand I really need that scope..... how can I fight something properly if I dont even know wtf it is... right.
An update of the clones after their heat treatment: I didnt water coz they were still pretty heavy, just spray with asprin, left them in the kitchen for the day, no HID. Then I decided to spray the flats floors, this is something I probs woulda done anyway, Its spring here now an its rained everyday for the last ten, other night we got 100mm. mostly thou its just drizzel, but honestly it can rain everyday now till xmas, thundershowers, drizzle you name it, and with this comes the humidity... and it aint no joke... last summer it was hitting mid 70'sRH in the flat, outsides bout 34 degress C, but it feels bout 40, and Im right by the ocean... What all this means is that come spring theres just fleas everywhere.... I mean everywhere... and its not just my place, just about everyone who has dogs here that I know, has a problem with them, and moslty all of em spray verandas, garages etc... and its with chlorpyrifos..... I stay in amongst a farming community. The old man sprays fruit tress with the stuff, says it "kills everfuckingthing" and like I said, no health and safety here bro... so I spray the floors, it bout 60m2. One times fucking head ache an scratchy arms of note!! put some fans on, and left the place, me an pooch slept elsewhere. Went back down in the am an the place still reeks[I didnt spray plants]
During wake an bake I got them back under the light, got the loop out, and started breaking off leaves to inspect.... I went through 5 leaves... and then fuck, movement! I saw one[wateverthefuckitis] moving, more like twitching, spinning cycles, slowly but, I watched this fuck for 15minutes[I got decent eyes,bush spotting...] and it did seem not as active as before the one hour of minimum 120degreesF heat treatment[this activity is after the treatment...]
I also noticed that this one seemed a slighty darker colour, not brown, but more opaque in colour, perhaps further development in its life cycle, as the totally station ones are far more translucent, perhaps implying eggs or laver..
Im still amazed that I saw movement ie life after an hour of 50degeesC, there was a praying mantis stuck in there during round two, and he made it, although stuck in a crack by the timber door....
But fuck brah.... Im still pretty young, and I started balding three months back... its fucking stress I tell you! Im loosing a battle to a bunch of punks that are so small I cant even see.... fuuuuuuuck
I can try attempt a heat treatment again, I have access to a radiator heater tonight and 2mrw, but otherwise only those two stone age ones... but I know 100times scope is the first thing....
Fuck I hate loosing, like who does right, I however need to learn from this fuckup.... and get better equipment...
maybe even pulling two plants aside and treating with chlorpyrifos as an experiment to see if it kills watevs the fuck these things are, I think I need to accept that I might actually loose this set, hard thing to get my head around, but if I do, at the least I can try gain as much knowledge as I can bout this problem....
Like basically the moms are gone, I got 4 blue dreams badley wilted that could make it with some tlc, got any good tips on how to clean em up Retro...??

Theres a possibility that a mates mate could bring new genetics over december from the uk for me, good banks there.... fuck, you can see where my minds wonder to already.... but thats weeks away.... and cash, and if you feel me Im rather dependent apon our lil intrust...
Retro any advice would be very much appreciated...
I know Iv been rambling, but trying get this thing solved and tryna squeeze real work in[hasnt been successful] is such a mission... stressed.... and mayb you know what it feels like cause you been it the same situation[almost].....

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

@ RetroGrow.... thank sooo much for checking back in....
Im starting to hear you on the scope thing, I often need to be spoken to more than once... Ill have to pop back into town asap, an have a good scratch around, place it so third world thou...
Probs got a better chance of borrowing one from a doc or something...
Theres a bidding site or two in the country, had a quik search, cheapest was $500 dollars when converted, everything once here is ten times the price... I could get digi ballasts, 7 hour drive, and the 400w ones start at $500.... bout two months of minimum wage... not bitching, just giving some context...
But Im beginning to understand I really need that scope..... how can I fight something properly if I dont even know wtf it is... right.
An update of the clones after their heat treatment: I didnt water coz they were still pretty heavy, just spray with asprin, left them in the kitchen for the day, no HID. Then I decided to spray the flats floors, this is something I probs woulda done anyway, Its spring here now an its rained everyday for the last ten, other night we got 100mm. mostly thou its just drizzel, but honestly it can rain everyday now till xmas, thundershowers, drizzle you name it, and with this comes the humidity... and it aint no joke... last summer it was hitting mid 70'sRH in the flat, outsides bout 34 degress C, but it feels bout 40, and Im right by the ocean... What all this means is that come spring theres just fleas everywhere.... I mean everywhere... and its not just my place, just about everyone who has dogs here that I know, has a problem with them, and moslty all of em spray verandas, garages etc... and its with chlorpyrifos..... I stay in amongst a farming community. The old man sprays fruit tress with the stuff, says it "kills everfuckingthing" and like I said, no health and safety here bro... so I spray the floors, it bout 60m2. One times fucking head ache an scratchy arms of note!! put some fans on, and left the place, me an pooch slept elsewhere. Went back down in the am an the place still reeks[I didnt spray plants]
During wake an bake I got them back under the light, got the loop out, and started breaking off leaves to inspect.... I went through 5 leaves... and then fuck, movement! I saw one[wateverthefuckitis] moving, more like twitching, spinning cycles, slowly but, I watched this fuck for 15minutes[I got decent eyes,bush spotting...] and it did seem not as active as before the one hour of minimum 120degreesF heat treatment[this activity is after the treatment...]
I also noticed that this one seemed a slighty darker colour, not brown, but more opaque in colour, perhaps further development in its life cycle, as the totally station ones are far more translucent, perhaps implying eggs or laver..
Im still amazed that I saw movement ie life after an hour of 50degeesC, there was a praying mantis stuck in there during round two, and he made it, although stuck in a crack by the timber door....
But fuck brah.... Im still pretty young, and I started balding three months back... its fucking stress I tell you! Im loosing a battle to a bunch of punks that are so small I cant even see.... fuuuuuuuck
I can try attempt a heat treatment again, I have access to a radiator heater tonight and 2mrw, but otherwise only those two stone age ones... but I know 100times scope is the first thing....
Fuck I hate loosing, like who does right, I however need to learn from this fuckup.... and get better equipment...
maybe even pulling two plants aside and treating with chlorpyrifos as an experiment to see if it kills watevs the fuck these things are, I think I need to accept that I might actually loose this set, hard thing to get my head around, but if I do, at the least I can try gain as much knowledge as I can bout this problem....
Like basically the moms are gone, I got 4 blue dreams badley wilted that could make it with some tlc, got any good tips on how to clean em up Retro...??

Theres a possibility that a mates mate could bring new genetics over december from the uk for me, good banks there.... fuck, you can see where my minds wonder to already.... but thats weeks away.... and cash, and if you feel me Im rather dependent apon our lil intrust...
Retro any advice would be very much appreciated...
I know Iv been rambling, but trying get this thing solved and tryna squeeze real work in[hasnt been successful] is such a mission... stressed.... and mayb you know what it feels like cause you been it the same situation[almost].....

Im a little confused so you dont have a scope but you saw something moving ? With nothing but your eye ? nearly impossible if you have these pests there tiny literally microscopic. Like retro said you need to identify your enemy before doing anything.

I think your images show heavy infestation soooooo.....with that said


I told you to isolate one or two plants already and throw the other shit away because yeah most likely you will have to throw 99% of your shit away it allows you to concentrate on one lady and to really be through with her know what I mean ? and thats only if you want to keep prized genetics.

If not throw everything away clean your room deeply and keep doing heat treatments a couple times a week for the next couple of weeks (empty room). Throw off a couple pylon tr bombs too think those are the ones.


Then start from seed and be patient. It sucks that you need cash but your not going to get that or quality product if things arent done correct when rushing more mistakes are likely to occur. keep your eyes out and like retro states:


aspirin should be used from start to finish. and heat treatments can be done weekly

all kinds of things can be purchased online btw for broads.


They will stick around your house trust me if I dont treat my ladies buds will start showing pine cone like symptoms no smell etc...mofos just hiding because they dont like my new military set up lol




It sucks bro been there done that just like the rest of us.

Prevention is key in this you live and you learn



AJAE

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@AJAE.... wasup thanks for stopping back in...
Sorry for being confusing, I got a 30times loupe, thats what Iv been doin the monitoring with, I now realise I need a 100times microscope, so that I actually know what Im fighting...
Eish, your post bout isolating that blue dream was after I toasted them, I did post an after pic of her looking pretty fuct... advice on turning her back to life.... I mean must been 150f down there, everything should be dead on it...
What would you clean the room and everything else with? Bleach?
Im starting to get you on the starting afresh aspect... trust. Hear me out though, I got a wifi box for internet so I could create an account here, in the contract it said 48hours delivery time, took me 20days to get it, and I had to drive 30kms to the next town, coz the twat cudnt find my gps coordinates.... this is Africa. So even if that mate comes out he'll bring em with him[the genetics], but thats probs mid december, not to sure, before xmas thou....
quite awhile away...

 

[SmellyFlorist]

... sorry brah, dont miss take my tone there, been a long day, got nothing done at work all week, weathers been shit, and im still struggling with these things....
miff.... need
an like two bowls left....... sucks

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

ahaha smelly bro did you say africa holy shit dude thats nuts. I always find weed grows in other continents interesting. Dude my bad I have to remember not everyone has easy access to stuff. Yes bleach is solid for cleaning ! dude my best piece of advice is to pick the best one or two that look decent and trash the rest.


Fuck smelly you being in the middle of no where doesnt help your best bet is heat treatments. You really need to be able to order stuff if you wanted to take other routes like getting new genetics and using chems or other methods

Bouncing back from being fried takes awhile not worth the time imo


AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

I saw your pic and if thats the best one geez trim off all the other fried shit and prune it back. put into veg. and hope in time it can bounce back. If you said the room got to 150 im sure the bugs are dead lol trim these babe back and let her do her thing. Roots are still there plants just hurting.


AJAE

 

[Miraculous Meds]

When I sprayed and killed them 2.5 years ago, I cleaned everything with bleach, got rid of all old plant debris, and medium, and they never came back. It can be done, just got to be thorough, but I didn't lose a single strain.

Chin up, u got this.

 

[RetroGrow]

Damn! Africa? Amazon doesn't ship there? Are you in South Africa? OG Biowar works in high humidity. In fact, it won't work well under 60% humidity, so high humidity is made for OG Biowar. I would use that if you can get it.
Did you say 150 degrees? That's way too hot. That's the temperature to kill bed bugs.
Also, you said there are fruit trees in your area? Guess what the favorite food of broad and cyclamen mites is? Fruit trees! If you live in an area with lots of fruit trees, especially tropical fruits, BMs are everywhere. I learned that the hard way, when I had a grow on a mango plantation. They can be carried on the wind, and also latch on to white flies in a process called phoresis. If you are seeing any white flies, you need to get rid of them first. Hydrogen peroxide will kill them if you have them. Google for instructions.
BMs destroyed me for 3 years, before anyone knew what they were. I posted in the infirmary, and no one got it right. You can get a good microscope @ Amazon for less than $200, but no good if they don't ship there. Maybe you can get someone who is traveling outside the continent to pick one up. Check Amazon and see if they ship to Africa, or check local schools/universities to see how they get them.
If you are seeing them with your eyes though, they would have to be Russett mites, which I have never had, so don't know what temperature will kill them. Russett mite damage is easy to see though, as they can strip a plant of leaves pretty quickly if they are in large numbers. You have to have pretty good eyes to see them, as they are very tiny, borderline microscopic. I probably couldn't see them.

 

[mr. gt]

Thought I subbed already. Really looking great man.



~mr. gt

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Thought I subbed already. Really looking great man.



~mr. gt

did you read the thread he's not doing well so whats looking good ? lol


AJAE

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Everyone... thanks for checking back in....

@AJAE... thanks for understanding brah, like I did a stint in the uk few years back, when I got home it took years to get my head around how things work around here, coming from a first world country back to this can be miff, the only thing they got here in first is a gear... You seen Blood diamond..? TIA brah.... lol... trust this place is paradise... its just a lot of shit is fuct... the natural beauty, climate, and ocean temp is pretty hard to beat... you gotta take the good with the bad hey. If you dig foreign things, stick around, who knows maybe I can even answer some q's for you ... lol
Thanks for the advice on the blue dreams... Im gona try clean em up... Plz I do get what you saying bout starting a fresh... I think matey for the uk will get here in bout 8weeks, and not to sure what he could bring.. maybe only two ten packs.... will have too check... but with saying that, I still got a few weeks on my hands to play with, Im beginning to kinda accept that this set like the last might not make it... so Im willing to at the least to experiment a bit, and see that if whats available to me works... and mayb try get this heat treatment thing down, if still no success, then a week before matey gets here, bleach an bomb the fuck out of everything.... cut my loose's, move on, have some lessons learnt....
[ thats 150F was an estimate off the temps on the floor where the fan heater were, the plants almost had packs of rizlas on the branches they were so crisp. The clones on the shelves 800mm above the heaters, where my thermo was taking readings at reached a hi of 126,5F... I just thought it was hotter down by the floor, assuming. Fan heaters are a big No No] lol

@Miraculous Meds... Thanks for the encouragement brah....

@Retro grow... Brah you got the knowledge my china...
Yeah brah you bang on the money... In old sunny s...... [hows that OP case...]
Amazon doesnt ship here, Tried to get my mac in april... no shipping, I think it the theft.... Its like the wild west here....
Brah I pissed with laughter when I read your post.... you couldnt be more right.... Guess where I stay? Smack bang in a farming community..... What farming you ask? Why bananas and Macadamia nuts.... I got three mango trees not more than 20meters from the broomroom, theres lychees on the farm and papaya.... my veggies are also bout 20m away from the broomroom....
I know theres white flies, coz I found sum bout a month back on a few bigger fan leaves, pyrethrum seemed to kill em. Check that chlorpyrifos I mentioned earlier? Thats what The guys use here to spray the bananas with, and it kills shit dead... like tupuc. White flies, wasps, thrips, u name it, not sure bout the mites Retro, will have to find out, But my thinking is bananas are attacked by mites[i mean why not right?] and this is the one pesticide they use to kill pests with, its a 1part to a 100part mix... shit is strong.... I dont think you can buy this stuff in first world countries no more...?? Here you cant get it on the shelves I dont think, you needed to be registered to obtain it...
Check you just totally underlining that I need to learn how to terminate these things... cause other wise they just gona come back... doesnt matter if I clean the room 10times, eventually I will have to face them again... because theyre everywhere.... they fucking live here.....
Im not seeing em with my naked eye... lol. its with the thirty scope...
But like you said I need to identify what they are so I can go down the right avenue of treatment.... Brah Im beginning to see this as more than a mountain an less of a mole hill every minute..... I had nightmares bout mites last nyt... cold sweat nightmares... fuck
A good friend of mine owns an runs a nursing home, she uses a product every ten days over all the furniture an floors an shit to kill scabies, which are mites right? but I checked the product is a pyrethroid, not gona work hey? keeps scabies at bay thou... Then I came across a product with its active chemical being imidacloprid, found a web page[extensions.usu.edu] stating a list of chemicals to kill Eriophyid mites, with Aculops Lycopersici being the tomato russet mite..... Im rambling here... The instructions for this stuff say, gloves mask boots etc, with a 24hour lay period until persons can enter treated area... ie toxic as fuck....
Still identification is the key. Nurse friend says she aint got a microscope, but will try get me access to one...
Retro you got any threads posted up of your mango days... that I can study the hell out of?? Seems like Im reliving your past expirences lol, fuck I wish lol...
I saw a epic looking digital 30-100times portiable handheld microscope from an online store here, was like $40, made by barka[site company] but like honestly, dont buy shit in this place unless youve got it in your hands and have dbl checked the shit out of it.... maybe a jewler...??

@mr, gt... Thanks for stopping by brah, thanks for the compliments, room looks okay, plants look fuct but.....
When things turn around, should look better... who knows maybe even my mood will lift.....
Please drop some opinions of what you think, bout everything, lovely when people chime in, nothing like a different perspective...
Stick around...


Smelly......

 

[SmellyFlorist]

@RetroGrow.... I actually found one, like in town, at a camera shop, was $65.... investment! Got the thing working on the Mac too, fuckyeah! One tiny lil step closer my friend.... thank you soooo much for underlining I needed one.... It made me go look.
Its made by Celestron and is digital wiffff camera.... up too 150times magnification.... Lets hope.......

 

[JointOperation]

id put that fan on a homemade thing with wheels.. so ic an move it out of the way.. also.. put in a few places to plug in a few lights.. so u can turn off your hps and turn on some CFLS while you work in order to not get burnt by the bulbs..

just a few ideas... i know when i run barebulbs i use cfls to work so the heat is less.. and so i dont burn myself anymore lol. already had those nice burns from a bulb.. also burned myself so bad on a bulb that skin stuck to the bulb. and melted and stunk like shit.. and then i tried to clean the bulb off.. an it was a mess.. it was 3 runs in. so i just tossed it out. but talk about a bad burn.. got myself on the back.. and up onto my neck..