the best nevs haze

[Guest]

Sams most ''proberly the best breeder on the planet''

One of the few who capable of applying science and the only one who has a 40 year plant breeding history and a world leading genetic libary that was collected by him in situ. His Haze lines are directly from the 'Haze brothers' he was basically one of them, being close friends with the Haze brother who made the first cross. Sam also provided genetics to the Haze Bros for their projects.

If there is true Haze lines from the Brothers Sams lines are them..however i would say that Sam has the technology and experience to improve the Haze Brothers lines..and if anyone can give you 'the best Haze crosses' its got to be him. Sam works large plant populations backed with bleeding edge cannabis science. His brand 'Cultivators Choice' is one of the oldest seed breeding and providing houses in the world and he is the godfather of Dutch seedbanks genetics. Cultivators Choice seeds is making a return to the seedbanks, Gypsy is testing the intial offerings now. Im pleased to say i was blessed with a pack of these seeds from Gypsy and there under test right now. They are simply beutifull, i expect something special and they deliver so far.

Shanti is the man to go to for Authentic Nevilles Haze, hes the only man with the breeding parents of that strain, any Nevs Haze anywhere else is derived from the MNS origional F1s..

The 'Pure Haze' lines discussed in the thread on CW and at our site are from a differing line of 'Haze' from California in the '60s and not the same as the 'Haze Brothers' legendry 'Origional Haze' lines..these genetics are being preserved and conserved and may in the future be used in the lines of our breeders depending on results. Shantibaba also has seeds from this genetic line as do a select few others. These lines where handed on from Oldtimer1, who has preserved and shared these genetics for the world to enjoy. Thanks OT!

Theres a lot of confusion over Haze, but for the most part there simply would not be Haze or Skunk without Sam. The latest offerings from him are the most excited ive been about a newly released strain..as ive been looking for authenticated Skunkman genetics for some time, when it comes down to it there simply priceless, as has been proven by the whole of the Dutch seedmaking industry which has sprung up from his initial releases. Theres not more proven breeders than Sam anywhere.

So big thankyou to Gypsy and Sam for putting Cultivators Choice genetics back out there for us all to enjoy.

Peace, Queijo

 

[newbgrow]

So which one is better (more sativa) California 60's Haze, or the Haze Brother's Haze?

 

[Guest]

Thanks to CBF

Thanks to CBF

here's one of your Nevilles F4's in my grow dungeon Fuaryone...mucho niceo!



I had tossed a few some month or 2 ago now and figured out the hard way that the fems are the ones that grow hardy early on where the males are quite stick like and both seem to grow at similar rates... anyhow.... i screwed up and tossed like 5 or 6 kept 2 and 1 was a male ..... so this is what's left.



She's prolly been flowering for about 30 days at this point, and has a long time to go by the looks of things. She seems to resist powder mildew , or at least it seems that she's the only one in my grow that hasn't had signs yet. and she's been there quite a while.

Looks like she's pretty managable height wise. just have to use some serious LST, and sometimes a bit of not so L..... ST. I vegged this one to almost 2 feet tall before flower too.

THC

 

[Guest]

^^^^yeah THC, I been wantin to see what came of those beans, that is a nice lookin plant, that gold is messin with me though, lol.

cant wait to see here finished.

CBF

 

[Guest]

Yeah man, she's a bit yellowed. Hard to keep her happy on a table with other stuff in flower maybe she's just rootbound in the lil 5 inch square pot that I gave her. Maybe if I run her again, or another pure sativa I'll use some bigger squares, the 12"x12" ones would be nice.... they might get pretty big in somethin like that tho.

This is my first time running any kind of "True" sativa. Other than a bit of yellowing, it's going pretty well for a noob I think heheh.

THC

 

[fuaryone]

THCAESAR:

THCAESAR:

Goodluck with it... it looks the same, as the ones I had, still stretchy looking... ... of the 2 I grew out, one was a bit earlier, and more frosty than the other, but I only took them to 11 wks, before they were dried and made into canna-butter... interesting reading lately, as one who had always hung out hope that Nevil and Skunkmans haze lines were different... I guess I couldn't see thru the haze... LOL... ... ah well, thats life... peace. F1.

 

[Chamba]

I reckon you can't say you are a ganja grower until you grow a room or a balcony full of hazes, haze crosses and/or landrace sativas like Zamal!

the secret to growing long flowering sativas is to make sure to keep the N up to them for the first 3 months or so of flowering tapering off as you get about a month or so from harvest....and in the last month or so all but the tiny bud leaves should yellow and drop....failure to keep them green in the first 3 or more months of flowering will certainly mean a lower yield...and correcting this problem later in flowering may affect taste.

nothing is better than finally getting your first smoke of haze you grew...a good haze or good sativa makes me sit up and take a big lungfull or two of air...some, like Zamal and Thais have an extra component to the high...I don't know how to describe it, but good examples of these landrace sativas tickles parts of my brain that other Dutch crosses don't ...this may be due to the long duration of flowering which means the bud consists of a wide variety of resin heads of different ages which adds complexity to the high.......or it's simply that these strains have a something "extra"?

I reckon you can't call yourself a ganja grower unless you have at least grown out of few landrace sativas (with Dec ~ Feb harvesting dates) like Zamal or Thai ..or some (18 week minimum) hazes and lived to talk about it!

 

[Guest]

60's cali haze is haze bros haze if i am not mistaken newbgrow

 

[Guest]

high everyone,

anyone have a link to a grow of the 4-pack special nev's haze hybrid available now at seedbay.com? Anyone? Anyone? BUELLER?

DANKS

 

[Guest]

captain jack... GREAT reference... i love that movie.

 

[Guest]

Did I hear Neville's???

Indoors, keep the pot sizes down or you'll get 10' trees - outdoors can get to 18'. In 5 years (3 harvests a year) I have yet to finish under 4 months - most don't start packing on weight until then and finish closer to 6 months with heavy HPS flooding them close. With MH they seem to finish sooner with smaller airy buddage and lanky stretch (at least 6" nodes). They don't like it hot - under 90, normally 75-80 and don't like to be handled (will wilt right before your eyes). And they seem to like it dry until about the 3rd month, then they get thirsty and want food every day.

Most successful have been in Pro Mix for containers with water retainer with 50% vermeculite (25 gal tubs with 4 plants per tub), 10-10-10 in veg, 10-52-10 in flower with added amonium phosphate or dolomite lime as needed to maintain PH 6.8-7.2. RH at 30% during veg, 50% in flower. Flower right from sprout (12/12 - will sex in 3 weeks) and top the hell out of them after the 4th node or so and they will finish under 5'. The best beans appear to be dark blotched leopard skin.

 

[BOZWELL]

Did I hear Neville's???

Indoors, keep the pot sizes down or you'll get 10' trees - outdoors can get to 18'. In 5 years (3 harvests a year) I have yet to finish under 4 months - most don't start packing on weight until then and finish closer to 6 months with heavy HPS flooding them close. With MH they seem to finish sooner with smaller airy buddage and lanky stretch (at least 6" nodes). They don't like it hot - under 90, normally 75-80 and don't like to be handled (will wilt right before your eyes). And they seem to like it dry until about the 3rd month, then they get thirsty and want food every day.

Most successful have been in Pro Mix for containers with water retainer with 50% vermeculite (25 gal tubs with 4 plants per tub), 10-10-10 in veg, 10-52-10 in flower with added amonium phosphate or dolomite lime as needed to maintain PH 6.8-7.2. RH at 30% during veg, 50% in flower. Flower right from sprout (12/12 - will sex in 3 weeks) and top the hell out of them after the 4th node or so and they will finish under 5'. The best beans appear to be dark blotched leopard skin.

Class set up there mate, open the door and theres a face full of haze
how would you describe the high of nevs
cheers

 

[Guest]

Hey Boz! The smoke is somewhat unremarkable in taste, it reminds me of Columbian Gold with more of a sweet piney aftertaste. I learned not to try to hold it too long, it expands massively and will take the top of your head off - you don't want to get greedy with this smoke - it's hard to judge how much you've taken in before it's too late. As you exhale your first toke you feel tension relaxing as the buzz begins to set in deep behind your eyes. After a few tokes everyone starts giggling and laughing, you see the humor in everything, not really aware that you are buzzed until you stand up and try to do things. The high is wildly creeper, before you realize you've smoked enough it will sneak up behind you and kick you in the ass. You find yourself wandering around unable to focus on anything specific, a million great ideas flooding through your mind. You feel energized and find yourself in the middle of a dozen projects at once. If you smoke by yourself you find yourself setting it down after 3 or 4 tokes and forgetting about it, we can't seem to completely finish a J at one sitting. The most amazing trait is that the buzz can last all day long, we've had early wake & bakes and found ourselves still buzzed at suppertime. The second most important trait for me is that I don't seem to build up a tolerance, the experience is the same whether I've abstained for a week or toked every day. This has been my experience, mileage may vary depending on your psyche.

Here are a few of the evaluations from others:
NEVILLE'S HAZE
Mostly Sativa

Origin: California

Breeder: Nevil Schoenbottom, Green House Seed Co.

Pedigree: Almost pure Haze with just a hint of Indica (Northern Lights).

Strength: The most potent variety of its kind on or off the market. Not recommended for inexperienced smokers - too trippy - too profound.

Flowering Times: Indoors: Should be started under 12 hours of lights. The earliest will finish in 14 weeks (25%). Average 20-25 weeks - those that this long are usually discraded as not practical.

Outdoors: Should be grown in the tropics and started just before the onset of autumn. Yeilds are surprisingly good - the longer flowering time is usually compensated with extra large yeilds, both in and outdoors. Not for the novice smoker or grower.
Green House Seed Co.

NOTES:-flowers on 12/12
-pure haze phenotypes (PxP=4, f1xf1=8, f2xf2=16) (f2xf3=48)
-extremely long, slender leaves
-very droopy leaves
-6 week stretch, 6" spurts overnight common, 6" nodes common.
-5' finish indoors without veg - staight to 12/12.
-grown in tropics would easily get to 20'
-not suitable for SOG
-not easily trained, stalks snap easily
-extremely hard to clone, some cuttings never root, grow or die - they just "exist." (Can take up to 3 weeks to root).
-100% germination rate
-f2s feminized, males very rare
-light hogs

HAZE STRAINS
Sativa
Origin: California, USA
Breeder: Nevil

Haze is a late sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to the the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70s' it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties. We managed to salvage a few vialbe seeds from the last crop grown in America and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and dep with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark leathery animal tones. When used in a hybrid it adds fascinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the igh. While not for everyone, the most jaded connoiseur will often find haze irresistible. - The Seed Bank catalog, 1988

Regarding....Haze, Ed Rosenthal says he knows (it was) developed by Cultivators' Choice in California in the 70s'.

Haze is the most difficult and challenging of any strain, perhaps Thai sativas also. Haze takes a long time, in a recent interview Ben Dronkers said a true Haze takes 8 months to flower! Yow! In fact, Haze seeds are very pale, never dark. A seeded Haze takes upwards of 16-20 weeks for good seeds. The high is pulse racing, I would say even paranoid. In fact, I have reservations about recommending Haze, because I have seen irregular behavior in some of it's regulars. I think Haze is extremely powerful and cannot be used casually, because it plays to deep emotions is what I have observed. Haze does not cross indicas well, it is better suited to a sativa. - Mark Emery

And finally a remark about NL#5 because it appears that most current strains are Neville's male and NL#5 haze females:

HAZE X NL#51989 - Due to tremendous customer demand, we have spent years searching for a superb Sativa/Indica hybrid that is suited for indoor growing but still retains the unique sativa qualities in the high. The Haze X NL#5 hybrid is the result of this search. A note of warning: Adverse effects have been known to occur among inexperienced smokers, particularly when combined with alcohol. Side effects may include nausea, dizzyness, fainting and loss of bowel and bladder control. Extreme introspective behavior is considered normal. - Sensi Seed Bank

I grew that strain in '89 and you're right, one of the wildest highs I have ever had from pot. The pistols have been almost an inch long when they were fresh. It took 4 months for them to come in but I never regretted it after the first stone. - Lady J

 

[Guest]

Old-release GH SSH,before Shanti left....
Imo it's a dead-ringer for the coffeeshop Hazes I find in AMsterdam,and it's better than most,imHo.
Flowers way[i/] past eighty daze,likely closer to 100....
It's a joy that few of my friends EVER get to take home....

For 'new' Haze stock,I'd suggest Shanti's New SSH Re-release....



Ciao!



.

 

[BOZWELL]

Hey Boz! The smoke is somewhat unremarkable in taste, it reminds me of Columbian Gold with more of a sweet piney aftertaste. I learned not to try to hold it too long, it expands massively and will take the top of your head off - you don't want to get greedy with this smoke - it's hard to judge how much you've taken in before it's too late. As you exhale your first toke you feel tension relaxing as the buzz begins to set in deep behind your eyes. After a few tokes everyone starts giggling and laughing, you see the humor in everything, not really aware that you are buzzed until you stand up and try to do things. The high is wildly creeper, before you realize you've smoked enough it will sneak up behind you and kick you in the ass. You find yourself wandering around unable to focus on anything specific, a million great ideas flooding through your mind. You feel energized and find yourself in the middle of a dozen projects at once. If you smoke by yourself you find yourself setting it down after 3 or 4 tokes and forgetting about it, we can't seem to completely finish a J at one sitting. The most amazing trait is that the buzz can last all day long, we've had early wake & bakes and found ourselves still buzzed at suppertime. The second most important trait for me is that I don't seem to build up a tolerance, the experience is the same whether I've abstained for a week or toked every day. This has been my experience, mileage may vary depending on your psyche.

Here are a few of the evaluations from others:
NEVILLE'S HAZE
Mostly Sativa

Origin: California

Breeder: Nevil Schoenbottom, Green House Seed Co.

Pedigree: Almost pure Haze with just a hint of Indica (Northern Lights).

Strength: The most potent variety of its kind on or off the market. Not recommended for inexperienced smokers - too trippy - too profound.

Flowering Times: Indoors: Should be started under 12 hours of lights. The earliest will finish in 14 weeks (25%). Average 20-25 weeks - those that this long are usually discraded as not practical.

Outdoors: Should be grown in the tropics and started just before the onset of autumn. Yeilds are surprisingly good - the longer flowering time is usually compensated with extra large yeilds, both in and outdoors. Not for the novice smoker or grower.
Green House Seed Co.

NOTES:-flowers on 12/12
-pure haze phenotypes (PxP=4, f1xf1=8, f2xf2=16) (f2xf3=48)
-extremely long, slender leaves
-very droopy leaves
-6 week stretch, 6" spurts overnight common, 6" nodes common.
-5' finish indoors without veg - staight to 12/12.
-grown in tropics would easily get to 20'
-not suitable for SOG
-not easily trained, stalks snap easily
-extremely hard to clone, some cuttings never root, grow or die - they just "exist." (Can take up to 3 weeks to root).
-100% germination rate
-f2s feminized, males very rare
-light hogs

HAZE STRAINS
Sativa
Origin: California, USA
Breeder: Nevil

Haze is a late sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to the the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70s' it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties. We managed to salvage a few vialbe seeds from the last crop grown in America and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and dep with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark leathery animal tones. When used in a hybrid it adds fascinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the igh. While not for everyone, the most jaded connoiseur will often find haze irresistible. - The Seed Bank catalog, 1988

Regarding....Haze, Ed Rosenthal says he knows (it was) developed by Cultivators' Choice in California in the 70s'.

Haze is the most difficult and challenging of any strain, perhaps Thai sativas also. Haze takes a long time, in a recent interview Ben Dronkers said a true Haze takes 8 months to flower! Yow! In fact, Haze seeds are very pale, never dark. A seeded Haze takes upwards of 16-20 weeks for good seeds. The high is pulse racing, I would say even paranoid. In fact, I have reservations about recommending Haze, because I have seen irregular behavior in some of it's regulars. I think Haze is extremely powerful and cannot be used casually, because it plays to deep emotions is what I have observed. Haze does not cross indicas well, it is better suited to a sativa. - Mark Emery

And finally a remark about NL#5 because it appears that most current strains are Neville's male and NL#5 haze females:

HAZE X NL#51989 - Due to tremendous customer demand, we have spent years searching for a superb Sativa/Indica hybrid that is suited for indoor growing but still retains the unique sativa qualities in the high. The Haze X NL#5 hybrid is the result of this search. A note of warning: Adverse effects have been known to occur among inexperienced smokers, particularly when combined with alcohol. Side effects may include nausea, dizzyness, fainting and loss of bowel and bladder control. Extreme introspective behavior is considered normal. - Sensi Seed Bank

I grew that strain in '89 and you're right, one of the wildest highs I have ever had from pot. The pistols have been almost an inch long when they were fresh. It took 4 months for them to come in but I never regretted it after the first stone. - Lady J

It sounds like the 20+ week flowering time is worth it
I have have a little room that 7 feet tall and about 4 foot square, its my new sativa project room..it would do me in if I had to wait 20 weeks for my only crop
gonna get me some nevils
cheers

 

[Guest]

Here's some updates on the nevilles , she looks to be rounding the bend. This haze business is not for me atm. I dont think i'll be doing another one for a while, until i have a better setup... need a dedicated space for these types of ladies or they throw a wrench in the works.

Perhaps the smoke will change my attitude


anyway here's some pics, she's been flowering since 06/30/05 , and has probably a month or so left, sorry no full plant shots atm, no good ones came out..








and what's this???








Thanks again for the seed, and an experience for my grow resume. It's learned a noob (me) some things.


:friends:

THC

 

[Farmer John]

Cool thread!!!! Very nice to read this now that I have Neville's haze growing...and Sam the Skunkman's Original Haze x Sk#1...straight to 12/12 huh? Theyre now in app. 3 litre pots, was thinking of moving them to flowering room and in a few weeks, transplant them into bigger pots if they show female preflowers that is...

Cool thread, pics coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

I actually vegged mine to about 18inches - 2 feet before flower. She stayed short enough to keep under my light , with a ton of LST work.

just from my experience with this run, I will continue doing it this way until i see some height problems, nevilles will work vegged... dunno bout your thai's and island sats tho.

my nevilles lady is probably somewhere around 4.5 feet tall , give or take a few inches.

THC

 

[fuaryone]

1TokeOverTheLine...

1TokeOverTheLine...

Nice pics, yours too rez... 1toke I'm happy to see I'm not the only med-grower, thats growing it out semi-regular... THC... should start to fatten up in the next 4 wks... but from my limited experience at least 6 more wks... hang fire... ... peace. F1.

 

[Guest]

shit THC put the cool air to her

i think ya did one hella job with that plant. the bud looks absolutely stunnin. ill bet after ya smoke her youll fall in love. just remember to eval her after a good cure. dont base it on a toke after a hang.

tough to get to the end, but your doin a awesome job, better than the weeds i finished,lol. and there decent smoke. especially Toms OHaze.

nice nice, ya have great growin skills bro

CBF