The ‘420 Bill’ to Federally Legalize Marijuana Has Officially Been Introduced

[shaggyballs]

l the govt is not going to allow an intoxicating substance to be grown/sold with no oversight. They say they do it in the name of public safety do you agree with them on this? ever. just as with alcohol, you can make all of the beer/wine you can drink, but you cannot sell it without a license & pay taxes on your profit. sorry...

Hey hippy good to see ya, always good to hear what you have to say brother.
Am I allowed to make all of the top shelf booze I can drink and give away?


Will this be the same with cannabis?
I think it will.

Why do they want to eliminate home growing so bad.
The govt. wants you dependent on the Govt.

@herbgreen

Many states were allowing CBD oil to be sold and served.
The FEDS just put a stop to that.
This is going to be ruled with an iron fist.

Lotto was outlaw the govt. runs it now.
Liquor was outlaw the govt. runs it now.
Cannabis was outlaw the govt will soon run that too.
Plant counts are shrinking all over or growers rights are being eliminated completely.

As far as removal of the criminal element goes.
Just admit it is not a matter of public safety and stop jailing folks whether it is legal or not it is the right thing to do with what we know today.

I mean the govenment of Canada is making money from Cannabis as we speak.

We need to tell our Govt. to stop with all the lies already.

Where are the headlines like this.

The Canadian Government is selling a scedule 1 narcotic and is poisoning its citizens with a drug worse than heroin.
We encourage you to travel there....LOL

 

[White Beard]

I certainly hope this isn't as bad as I think. I predict this will create a HUGE mess for cannabis going forward. Cannabis is not alcohol, and this legislation bans cultivation without a license.

No.


This is beginning to happen in the individual states, and I don't see why it won't become national at some point. I don't see it happening fast enough is all.

Let's end the ridiculous amount of suffering from ignorance.

Growers’ rights, or it’s a giveaway to wealthy assholes. As legal as tomatoes or I FIGHT. Let me grow and use and gift, and it’s all good; anything less, and it’s the same dead fish in a different newspaper.

(NO, I don’t hate the rich...)

 

[White Beard]

Oops...

 

[White Beard]

This is true

However, many states allow distilling even w/fed law

...but probably would not have with the all out prohibition of alcohol

Right now a few more states are standing up and feds have been held back....

We need to remove the all out fed ban

Then we can loosen up the rest of the states....feds can ban growing

Right now its a schedule 1 narcotic....Lets get it removed from there

Its a foot in the door thing....feds may never allow growing and distribution without license

States will make and enforce their own laws but few will have much ground to stand on unless the schedule 1 is got rid of .

feds want to stop things like interstate distribution and mass production

I would like to see it imported from Jamaica and Colombia and Mexico and Thailand/Laos, Nepal places like that.....

Feds can only fuckup so much...but just get the all out ban removed

States will take it from there Its the Fed breakthrough we need

And it will happen.

I agree in spirit, but with the enormous pressure applied by “business” against regulations of any kind for any purpose, I have absolutely no reason to assume that federal action will be either sane, or sensible where product quality and consumers’ health is concerned.

There simply is not reason for us to absorb all the risk and give them all the money.

 

[White Beard]

With a license requirement, they can track it. If they can track it, they can tax it. If they can tax it, they will legalize it.

Al Capone was jailed for failing to pay taxes on his illegal liquor money, so your point falls flat.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Hey hippy good to see ya, always good to hear what you have to say brother.
Am I allowed to make all of the top shelf booze I can drink and give away?

no, you read the laws i mentioned. federally, you can make all of the "beer & wine" you can drink.(250 gallons per year, i think) distilling hard liquor is not allowed without a permit because if not done correctly, it "can" be poisonous, the still "could" explode, and the govt wants its tax money paid. ditto a few of the processes in extracting high % THC distillates from weed. how many news articles do you see RE folks blowing up houses/starting fires with alcohol & butane? i see plenty. no doubt the media play these up, but still...pot not strong enough for you? i doubt they will crack down on you for making hand-rubbed/sifted hashish, or even ice hash. no danger or chemicals involved. maybe blisters? if you are making and drinking your own shine, but not selling it, i don't think they care unless you start a fire. you sell it and get caught, you are going to court. thems the rules. i understand that lots of folks don't like rules. hell, i don't like the damn law of gravity myself. fucking steps...

 

[EvergreenState]

The title of this bill says it all: The Marijuana REVENUE and REGULATION Act. In other words: We're here to get our cut and we'll control marijuana from this point forward.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The title of this bill says it all: The Marijuana REVENUE and REGULATION Act. In other words: We're here to get our cut and we'll control marijuana from this point forward.

they don't "control" it now. they try, and fail repeatedly. they WILL tax it, just like everything else sold...

 

[herbgreen]

You guys are trippin'me out with these avatars...lol

 

[Dawgfunk]

When they drop in my backyard on ziplines and take my plants, I’ll be sure to have more starts ready to rock and they’ll be in the ground right as they’re on their way out the door. If they’re gonna spend money enforcing laws to ban growing, they’re gonna go bankrupt over me.

 

[Robrites]

WHO Recommends Rescheduling Cannabis in International Law for First Time in History

WHO Recommends Rescheduling Cannabis in International Law for First Time in History

The World Health Organization has suggested that cannabis should be downgraded, or "rescheduled," given the mounting evidence showing that the drug could prove beneficial in treating a number of health problems.
This marks a significant change in WHO's position, which for the last 60 years has said that cannabis should not be used in medicine, according to an article in the BMJ.
The WHO Expert Committee on Drug Dependence has recommended that cannabis resin and other marijuana products should be downgraded from a schedule IV to a schedule I drug under international law.
Schedule IV is the strictest category outlined in the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs Treaty, meaning that cannabis is currently treated in the same way as heroin, severely restricting scientists who want to investigate the plant in the search for potential therapies.
The committee also recommended that THC—the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis—should be designated as a schedule I drug to simplify its classification. Currently, THC is classified separately as a schedule IV drug under the 1971 Convention on Narcotic Drugs.
Furthermore, it proposes that products made with a cannabis extract known as cannabidiol, which contain no more than 0.2 percent THC, should be removed from all international drug control conventions.
“The placement of cannabis in the 1961 treaty, in the absence of scientific evidence, was a terrible injustice,” Michael Krawitz, global policy adviser at the nonprofit advocacy organization FAAAT that campaigns for the medical use of the drug, told the BMJ. “The World Health Organization has gone a long way toward setting the record straight.”


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[EvergreenState]

they don't "control" it now. they try, and fail repeatedly. they WILL tax it, just like everything else sold...

Of course they don't have control over it YET; they just proposed the bill.
The point is that they want to control it and they will control it. That's why they proposed the bill.
The federal government doesn't deserve any tax money from marijuana; ever! Stop thinking that it's normal that every level of government DESERVES to get money from every transaction. Local governments think they deserve a cut, county governments want their cut, state governments want their cut and now the federal government thinks they deserve a cut. They don't. Can't you see it's a big racket?
All this bill will do is jack up the prices on marijuana products even further and it will take more control out of the hands of citizens. You can also forget about being allowed to grow your own; the fed will never allow that.
They will also probably ban concentrates too. The federal government will add so many levels of regulation that the price to bring marijuana to market will escalate.
Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.

 

[herbgreen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMXteZokXs

 

[shaggyballs]

Well stated evergreenState!

Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.

Taxing the people was supposed to be temporary to help with war debt.
Now people think they need to be taxed on everything or it is not normal.
Some people think they can not function without the Govt. telling them what they should and should not be doing.

I don't really believe in mind control but this is the sort of thing that makes me think I should.

 

[art.spliff]

armedoldhippy I understand and agree about regulations and such.

Cannabis is unlike any other plant. Or any other drug.

This is unprecedented. People are either free or there are contradictory laws, is the way I see it.

There are a couple of past precedents including the lies and court testimony of tobacco reps. There is likely evidence of anti-cannabis testimony by people in government. And the history with alcohol prohibition. Cannabis is 100% completely the opposite - this is a major point. A "tax" can be 0.5% or 95%, similar, "rules" can exist for different reasons.

That is one thing about voting. Sure I may cast a ballot but I did not actually ask for any gov't officials to be there. The only reason gov't is making any rules it because it wants to. Without human intervention (or citizen instruction, rather than "resistance") the gov't will do whatever it wants apparently. Just because choices are given on a ballot doesn't mean I asked for either one. The gov't doesn't wait until asking the citizens what it should do. The idea of who is the partner or co-owner, not manager or worker, is perhaps distorted.

There may be resistance to this philosophically. As more individuals pick up that they can become growers of their own medicine and begin sustaining themselves in a positive way the proponents of stimulants and low wage labor may begin to lose momentum. For example learning how to cook, make repairs, build tools or shelter on your own rather than hiring or paying others for relatively trivial tasks. Some people spend a good part of their day looking at a phone screen but if they started using and growing cannabis they might shut it off once in a while.

Every consumer may not end up a grower. Friends, family, and social groups have served cannabis needs in the past. Without any real harm of pesticide poisoning that we know of, more than any other food or drug out there. Especially cigarettes, certified FDA combustible formaldehyde. You can search top ten pesticide produce to see what else is out there.

When you add all of that up, your own carbon consumption goes down, and your effort can be directed at what suits your own health best. Not working for someone else to serve their needs. Why drive or move 5 hours away to work in a greenhouse for $8 an hour when I can stay in one spot and grow here? Because of taxes, or rules, from this government? It doesn't add up.

Police raids for cocaine or heroin are bad enough, but cannabis is 100% not cocaine or heroin or alcohol or meth.

One thing I do not see much media coverage on is how much of the drug problem by population is from pharmaceuticals? And are they sourced in the US or another country legally or illegally? In other words is the Drug Enforcement Agency investigating or working with the pharmaceutical industry, if so in what ways?

If cannabis can replace fentanyl the absolute last thing I want is for the same company to be even remotely involved. Slight tangent but this more or less uniformly applies to any cannabis company in the sense of investors and my understanding of this stock market. Good businesses and investors exist but the goal of cannabis to heal does not play well with shark tank or wall street language and behavior.

There is an apparent lack of understanding or disconnect treating cannabis as a medicine rather than a harmful substance. It may be the only risk of harm or danger cannabis ever posed is due to being illegal.

Only those taught (incorrectly) that it is harmful behave as such. Here we are speaking explicitly but throughout this country and elsewhere an anti-cannabis culture may persist in people's minds, and be linked to other social "values." Re-teaching an entire population may take generations instead of a few years.

Many of us remember reefer madness propaganda as a piece of evidence and US congress is past retirement age.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Of course they don't have control over it YET; they just proposed the bill.
The point is that they want to control it and they will control it. That's why they proposed the bill.
The federal government doesn't deserve any tax money from marijuana; ever! Stop thinking that it's normal that every level of government DESERVES to get money from every transaction. Local governments think they deserve a cut, county governments want their cut, state governments want their cut and now the federal government thinks they deserve a cut. They don't. Can't you see it's a big racket?
All this bill will do is jack up the prices on marijuana products even further and it will take more control out of the hands of citizens. You can also forget about being allowed to grow your own; the fed will never allow that.
They will also probably ban concentrates too. The federal government will add so many levels of regulation that the price to bring marijuana to market will escalate.
Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.

if it is against the law (as it is now) and they cannot control it, exactly what new law do you think WILL allow them to "control" it? laws do not control people that will not relinquish control. sure, there will be those swept up by unfortunately being found in violation of any law, but cannabis CANNOT be controlled beyond our willingness to allow it to be. same way with guns etc. the police state has failed for nearly 80 years to control it, and you think a law taxing it will do the job? LOL!

 

[MJPassion]

With a license requirement, they can track it. If they can track it, they can tax it. If they can tax it, they will legalize it.

Taxation is the opposite of legalization.


Why?


Because if you don't pay the tax then your considered to be evading it.


THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!

 

[CannaZen]

Legaization is just about getting the blackmarket money in the hands of the already rich.
Once they have control you will be stuck with mail order buds.
Vote no!
I tried to warn of this but I was laughed at.

This seems to be the new catch phrase.
I voted for legalization, but now I have to grow illegally because legalization is too oppressive.
The only thing to change with legalization is the hand the money is flowing to, it now belongs to the already rich bussiness man instead of the pot heads of the world.

This is not good for anyone but the already rich.

I cant understand that, it should be legal, it should be made so that everyone can benefit from it, you just want you and your friends to line your own pockets "like the rich" you like the monopoly, i think it should be completely legal for people to grow their own fields of it.. i've had bad experiences with it when i was little, i took a huge bong rip and tripped the fuck out.. i've learned to accept it and i can tell you that i think its something people just have to learn to accept, even if they dont understand.

 

[soil margin]

So the substance that the government told me was dangerous and had zero medicinal value, is now no longer dangerous, and I need to pay the federal government a cut anytime I grow a plant or smoke a joint? Fuck legalization. I'd rather grow bud and give it away for free than let some paper pusher in Washington DC take my hard work away from me under threat of prison.

 

[White Beard]

In this day and age, the only way to achieve good legislation is for activist parties to craft model legislation, to guide lawmakers in achieving proper and desired ends...so TO that end, I have put together the following document:

The Cannabis Restoration Act

Preamble:
WHEREAS the plant species known collectively as /Cannabis sativa/ has provided humankind with paper, cloth, rope, medicines, glues balms, and benefits of every sort for centuries; and

WHEREAS /Cannabis/ has made these gifts freely available to all people without injury, harm, or ill-effects to the user, the farmer, the processor, the purveyor for the entire history of human knowledge and utility thereof; and

WHEREAS the prohibition of Cannabis has deprived industries of all kinds of important raw materials, to their impoverishment; the medical profession of an important aid in tending human health and well-being inexpensively and effectively; farmers of an important crop of many uses to field and livestock; and the people of a ready source of ease, comfort, and enjoyment to their detriment;

IT IS THE INTENT OF CONGRESS to right these wrongs by overturning the improper and unwise removal of Cannabis and all its products from human activity and commerce, in spite of the best advice of business, medicine, industry and the public and in contravention of the norms of productive human activity; and in doing so, restore cannabis to the fields and farms and homes and hospitals of the Citizens of these United States, where it was once of the greatest value and utility for many purposes great and small.

To this end, the honorable Men and Women representing the nation hereby declare the removal, effective immediately, of cannabis in whole and in part, from the Schedule of Controlled Substances; the elimination of all federal laws, regulations, and penalties heretofore enforced against the plant cannabis, its parts and products, and against those who have produced, provided, and / or made use of any part or portion thereof; the abrogation and nullification of all laws and regulations, at the State, the County, and the Municipal levels, that have been instituted for the purpose of governing, controlling, limiting, prohibiting, and / or punishing the cultivation, processing, and / or distribution of said plants, parts, and portions, and / or the customary uses thereof; the immediate release of all persons tried and convicted and sentenced, in consequence of the laws and regulations abrogated by this Act; the expungement of criminal records for all those of all those individuals so released, the termination of any and all interdictions, disqualifications, and ineligibilities suffered by said persons described herein.

FURTHER, we entreat the President to negotiate with our treaty partners an end to any and all such provisions of any treaty, to which our Nation is Signatory, as may violate the expressed purpose and intent of this Act.

CONSEQUENT to these purposes, and in acknowledgement of the fact that certain Cannabis products may be rightly intended for consumption, we direct and empower the Department of Agriculture to institute systems whereby such consumable products may be certified as free from toxic additives and unwholesome admixtures, and further, free of inert additions, so that the availability of honest weights and measures, and truthful and accurate representation of such, may be assured to commerce and the public.