And yet the Republican party won't even let someone run against Dear Leader trump in the primaries...........trying to remember who else does that?
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The 2020 Presidential Election
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And yet the Republican party won't even let someone run against Dear Leader trump in the primaries...........trying to remember who else does that?
White Beard
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It’d be a certain loss for Sanders if he ran independent: why do you think a third party has never gone anywhere? It’s because the game was set up BY two, FOR two - and *only* two. Running for president outside those two slots is “broken by design” - or implementation, anyway - which is how a vote can be “thrown away” on a third party.
Protest votes barely get noticed, don’t get counted, make no difference, and may make you feel all white-knight all night but they WONT make a difference. Electing enough representatives willing and prepared to change the two-party system to a multi-party - THAT will make a difference.
What this country needs is better citizens.
Sounds great, but where’s a proper gulag when you need one? Not like in the old days when they’d actually disappear you.... As evil billionaire villains go, I just can’t take Soros seriously anymore: it’s like he’s not even trying to play...oh, wait....
I didn't see anyone screaming Primary Obama, or Clinton for that matter. When has any party encouraged a primary challenge for a sitting president. Your argument holds no water.
But, but, but.........Obama, Clinton! Everybody gets to have a couple drinks and joints!
"Doesn't hold water" coming from someone using a colander as a brain pan!
Not encouraging and forbidding are miles apart. When Incumbents are vastly more popular in the nation as a whole than the scum who now squats in the White House many people don't want to run against them versus a corrupt conman who several Republicans are trying to run against and are being forbidden to do so!
Absolem
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Hey White Beard.
Agree with ya on the two party system and the lack of third parties.
I'll take a stab at it.
The US is just too big for a third party to be viable.
Lets look at England.
England sq miles=50,346
Population=56 million
Now the US
US sq miles=3.79 Million
Population=327 Million
Illinois sq miles=57,915
California Population=40 Million
The US lacks the population density of our European counterparts. The US population is spread far and wide. The US and all of Europe is about the same in square miles but Europe has double the population of the US.
England and Illinois are about the same size in sq miles. Picture the population of California(40 million) plus 16 million living in a state the size of Illinois? That's what England is like.
A politician in England can drive from one end of England to the other end in about 4-5 hrs. The politician's there have a much better opportunity to meet and greet the people of their country. Not so much here. Get their ideas out. Have the people come see them more because they don't have to make a 1000 trips to reach the citizens of their country. It's prime opportunities for third parties to thrive.
The US isn't feasible for a third party candidate to do that. They would go broke. lol. Rust belt Dems are not like California Dems. California Dems aren't like Texas Dems and so on. Strong third parties would resemble the state they are from. 50 third parties one from each state would get no where. It's why most third parties in the US are a one party platform. It's the only way to get support from the entire US.
Unlike our European counterparts who have high population densities and have the environment to support third parties here in the US we get stuck with two and nobody really gets the candidate they like.
Just my cents.
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Encouraged is misleading. Of course no party would encourage it. This is attempted prevention. There's actually a long history of challenging incumbents. And, in many cases, the incumbent ends up losing his job.
Remember Pat Buchanan? How did that work out for Bush?
What's John Kasich up to these days?
White Beard
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Skipping the insistence on ‘encouragement’, Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in ‘80. Last time it happened IIRC
White Beard
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Thanks for the refresher!
Dunno about the timing of New Hampshire, but:
Reference is made to his “Shermanesque statement” as “the pledge”.
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/
Yup. Big diverse country. Lately people in the cities who run the tee vee are trying to get everyone else to think like them, because their corp masters pay them to do so. It is working to an extent. Take 10 people from here and a sample tray of beautiful fresh but different strain of buds - people would disagree on preferences of tastes/effects but all would agree that they like quality material.
I just wish the different color (reflects different opinions) areas could first agree that we are Americans and the liberty we are supposed to enjoy is what we all should be bickering over. As in getting it back from the damn .guvmint and giving it back to us. Problem is the tee vee is by and for the .guvmint and people that worship what they are told by it want more .guvmint, or they are dependent on it.
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/
Newly released emails provide details in White House pause of Ukraine aid looks bad for Trump.
Newly released emails show that a request to withhold funds came less than two hours after President Donald Trump's July phone call with the Ukrainian president that has served as the backbone of the impeachment proceedings against him.
The nonprofit released the emails late on Friday, revealing a discussion between the White House's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Pentagon over the defense aid owed to Ukraine just hours after Trump spoke to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. It appeared that those involved felt the hold could be problematic, considering Duffey wrote to officials in his office and at the Pentagon to keep it all close their chest.
Duffey is one of the officials at OMB who has steadfastly refused to comply with House subpoenas for deposition in the impeachment inquiry, along with his boss, Russ Vought, OMB’s Acting Director. However, another OMB official, Mark Sandy, did appear for a deposition after being subpoenaed.
Trump’s own White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) was told that his actions were illegal, and appears to have tacitly acknowledged that fact, but continued to hold up the funding anyway.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...er-details-white-house-pause-ukraine-n1106201
Schumer seeks testimony of OMB’s Duffey after release of email requesting military-aid pause within 90 minutes of Trump-Zelensky call
Newly released emails show that a request to withhold funds came less than two hours after President Donald Trump's July phone call with the Ukrainian president that has served as the backbone of the impeachment proceedings against him.
The nonprofit released the emails late on Friday, revealing a discussion between the White House's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Pentagon over the defense aid owed to Ukraine just hours after Trump spoke to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. It appeared that those involved felt the hold could be problematic, considering Duffey wrote to officials in his office and at the Pentagon to keep it all close their chest.
Duffey is one of the officials at OMB who has steadfastly refused to comply with House subpoenas for deposition in the impeachment inquiry, along with his boss, Russ Vought, OMB’s Acting Director. However, another OMB official, Mark Sandy, did appear for a deposition after being subpoenaed.
Trump’s own White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) was told that his actions were illegal, and appears to have tacitly acknowledged that fact, but continued to hold up the funding anyway.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...er-details-white-house-pause-ukraine-n1106201
Schumer seeks testimony of OMB’s Duffey after release of email requesting military-aid pause within 90 minutes of Trump-Zelensky call
They are free to run, they just won't get the nomination. Your argument is retarded. But, everything is different for Trump, right. Since he's a bad mean orange man. Hell, Bill Clinton was a credibly accused rapist, he still got the nomination.You have no ground to stand on, again.
Trump's approval rating is better than Obama's was at the same point. So, again your argument holds no water, again. Trump has 90% Republican support, more than Romney, Or McCain did. Don't expect Republicans to try and oust the most successful president since Regan, especially not with the giant dumpster fire that is the DNC, and their so-called candidates. It's not our job to elect the loser's the DNC puts forward. That's up to your super delegates to do. Keep voting
If you didn't know the DNC is stuck with garbage candidates, you wouldn't be desperately seeking the GOP to save you. Nope, 5 more years buddy.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5df7f1613d174e001ce80f10
EXCLUSIVE: Ratcliffe Responds To Nadler's False Statements
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Millie Weaver
During the latest impeachment hearing, House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler made false statements that Representative John Ratcliffe endorsed inviting foreign interference in US elections. Ratcliffe quickly called out Nadler for twisting his words about inviting foreign involvement in investigations, not elections. Millie Weaver gets an exclusive interview with Ratcliffe his exchange with Nadler, and how this impeachment sham is going to backfire on the democrats.
EXCLUSIVE: Ratcliffe Responds To Nadler's False Statements
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Dec 16, 2019
Millie WeaverDuring the latest impeachment hearing, House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler made false statements that Representative John Ratcliffe endorsed inviting foreign interference in US elections. Ratcliffe quickly called out Nadler for twisting his words about inviting foreign involvement in investigations, not elections. Millie Weaver gets an exclusive interview with Ratcliffe his exchange with Nadler, and how this impeachment sham is going to backfire on the democrats.
I really don't remember Buchanan, not that old.
John Kasich is the definition of RINO. Completely irrelevant in the Republican party. He's as important to the GOP as Van Drew is to the Democratic party.
I am not aware of an incumbent unseating a sitting president. I don't think they would win a general.
It's entertaining how desperate the left is, so desperate that your only chance of beating Trump, is another Republican. Way to keep the faith in your candidates.
They are free to run, they just won't get the nomination. Your argument is retarded. But, everything is different for Trump, right. Since he's a bad mean orange man. Hell, Bill Clinton was a credibly accused rapist, he still got the nomination.You have no ground to stand on, again.
Trump's approval rating is better than Obama's was at the same point. So, again your argument holds no water, again. Trump has 90% Republican support, more than Romney, Or McCain did. Don't expect Republicans to try and oust the most successful president since Regan, especially not with the giant dumpster fire that is the DNC, and their so-called candidates. It's not our job to elect the loser's the DNC puts forward. That's up to your super delegates to do. Keep voting
If you didn't know the DNC is stuck with garbage candidates, you wouldn't be desperately seeking the GOP to save you. Nope, 5 more years buddy.
You are free to be as delusional as you want to be........as the saying goes "you can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts"
You and many millions of so-called Americans are going to be severely butt hurt when this is all said and done. This administration will go down as THE most corrupt and criminal administration in the history of this country, and it won't even be close. Pay attention.
Well that's quite a prolific opinion. What was that statement about facts? Try posting just one fact, just one single solitary fact. I am only 40 so, I got more time to wait than most here, I will patiently wait for the fact.
You can't talk about the Obama administration like that, I don't care if he was behind the worst law enforcement malfeasance in American history. He's black so you can't criticize him. , no wait he's a Democrat, so you can't criticize him. I don't care what Horowitz report shows, you can't criticize Obama.
smh
You're 40 and don't remember 1992? You're shot dude. Read a book or something.
If our past presidents made a series of mutually agreed statements we could probably clear this matter up with trump quickly. Everyone in the country has voted for at least one of them. They have full full access to intel and the inside story. Best solution yet.
Are you claiming we should have access to the Intel from every previous president? I world certainly agree with that.
I find it quite ironic, no one is talking about the Democrats candidates. Is it just a lack of interest, that doesn't look good for 2020. I guess when your party has no money, and no viable candidate, you focus on smearing your opponent.
Is anyone concerned that Obama, has stated he would stop a Sanders candidacy?
So, you want facts?Well that's quite a prolific opinion. What was that statement about facts? Try posting just one fact, just one single solitary fact. I am only 40 so, I got more time to wait than most here, I will patiently wait for the fact.
You can't talk about the Obama administration like that, I don't care if he was behind the worst law enforcement malfeasance in American history. He's black so you can't criticize him. , no wait he's a Democrat, so you can't criticize him. I don't care what Horowitz report shows, you can't criticize Obama.
1) Trump & Family stole millions of dollars from a charity meant to help children with cancer. As part of his penalty he had to admit his deed and pay $2 million in restitution. His 3 oldest spawn had to take a class teaching them to not steal from charities and had to register with the court ( much like a sex offender) that they had to notify the court if they ever got involved in a charity again!
2) Trump was defrauding and stealing millions from people trying to get an education in his fraudulent university. As part of his settlement he had to admit his guilt and pay back $25 million.
You may enjoy having a criminal conman as a President but it does nothing but tear down the office of the President and demean the country.
These are indisputable facts, just as you requested. Remember this in the future as you read about the depth of corruption in this administration.
No actually they are discredited leftist hackery. Even snopes agrees. As does politifact. Again, we are talking about facts not DNC talking points. Nice try.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-steal-kids-cancer-charity/
Eric Trump has raised millions for child hood cancer. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
The Trump university issue is not nearly as straightforward as it has been claimed. Read for your self. It wasn't a University, it was real estate traning course. That's the crux of the issue. Donald Trump wasn't even named in the initial law suit. Hard sell, and encouraging positive reviews isn't fraud. Nice try though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University
That up there is what we call discredited. Lol. Its quite funny when leftist fact check sites shit all over your so-called facts. Ha ha
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