That New kid in Town

[WOEDAE]

Wow! Nice work. Looks kinda like my setup, but taken indoors, lol. I'm organic as well, and, like Persianfarmer, would love to hear more about your soil. I'm looking into getting a tent, and seeing your setup has me re-thinking things. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for checking me out broski.
The soil is my pride N joy. I've been working this mix for the better part of a decade. I remember back in the day when folks were saying you couldn't run coco in a No-Till. It all comes down to the CEC and pH. Coco is ideal in its natural pH. Gotta buffer it first and rinse the shit out of it. Cec is good but not as good as peat, but thats where the soil conditioners come in and really shine. It would not be possible without them.

Amendments are for the most part all the same. But there's some that outshine others. And I can't leave out the microbes, they are the reason everything works. I don't use mycorizhae, I prefer Trichoderma. Also I don't use very much rock phosphate, instead I'll encourage /inoculation of bacteria that makes phosphate from breaking down alfalfa. Product is called Mammoth P.
I use alot of LactoBacillius and purple sulfur bacteria too. Non sulfur is in the mix too.

 

[WOEDAE]

Wow! With an intro like that you must be very good at what you do putting anyone who grows ganja for fun/therapy to shame. I can't wait to see your plants! Welcome to ICMag. Lots of knowledge here.

The only shame is not growing. Doesn't matter if your a novice, casual hobbiest or pro But to my much earlier and honestly a bit too aggressive post, when i see cats that have been growing for 30-50yrs and they're cropping out some dog shit. I think that would raise anyone's brow. Especially when they are the ones who are breeding it, putting that out into the community. You can't know what a plants true pheno even is unless you grow it to its fullest potential.

I apologize, I didn't mean to strike a nerve.

 

[k0rps]

The only shame is not growing. Doesn't matter if your a novice, casual hobbiest or pro But to my much earlier and honestly a bit too aggressive post, when i see cats that have been growing for 30-50yrs and they're cropping out some dog shit. I think that would raise anyone's brow. Especially when they are the ones who are breeding it, putting that out into the community. You can't know what a plants true pheno even is unless you grow it to its fullest potential.

I apologize, I didn't mean to strike a nerve.

No nerves struck just pointing out how the post was aggressive and most here, like myself, grow for fun and are here to learn. What type of soil are you using and what do you amend with?

As for seeds and people pollen chucking, the more the merrier! There were many small farmers in America at one point with thousands of different varieties of vegetables. Now we have big ag and Monsanto/Bayer sending only a few varieties out to farmers and they can't even plant their own seeds. I personally prefer the many over the few. Peace


Edit: I see you use veganic amendments. Nice! Do you also use EWC? Do you brew teas? I've had a homemade cycler using air pressure to pump tea back up to top, was fun but a lot of work to water/feed plants. Instead I took to the nutrient calc and used minerals to feed. Started with Jack's 5-12-26 then adding a bit or MKP and I was hooked! Hope to see more of your work and see what seeds you've come up with!

 

[Persianfarmer]

Nice Nice Nice!!!

You go traditional Bokashi, with rice wash? Any beneficial microbes added, lacto? How does the flax and chia work, i never tried….I just added fish heads and tails to my soil and hope it will decompose fast

Do you use any natural hormones? Like lentil sprout tea? Cinnamon to boost and act as antifungal?

U growing on me bad boy!!! I like you already and i am gonna tire you by draining your knowledge

Seriously you made the right move to come to ICMAG, but I am sorry to say that you won’t leave now!!!! U branded now

thanks bro, yeah I can get a little worked up at times. Hell yeah!, another organic mechanic! Nothing against mineral salts but there's so much more to learn and fully comprehend than 1/2 tsp/gal.

I've been using a purchased 13 seed blend for the cover crop and add flax and chia to the mix. Depending on how my plants look at full cycle will dictate if I turn that cover to fodder or cut it back and toss in the compost tumblers or make FPE from it.

The soil is coco, vermiculite with lots of leaf mold, traditional compost and bokashi compost. The worms really seem to go bonkers for it once the acidic nature neutralizes. I don't run peat in the bed, but I will in veg if I have to. This current run I was forced to buy a couple bags of water only. Still got a few weeks left on the cook of my coco blend.

I don't use blood or bone and I prefer to stay away from guanos. I aim for Veganic always.

 

[Persianfarmer]

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Fuck yeah!! Thats what we good a great and clean green lab work….ooooooufffaaa it is hypnotizing🫶

 

[Persianfarmer]

Hmmm might be bit high…did not understand what i wrote…. Doesn’t matter…all i mean is keep going on and exciting my neurons

 

[WOEDAE]

No nerves struck just pointing out how the post was aggressive and most here, like myself, grow for fun and are here to learn. What type of soil are you using and what do you amend with?

As for seeds and people pollen chucking, the more the merrier! There were many small farmers in America at one point with thousands of different varieties of vegetables. Now we have big ag and Monsanto/Bayer sending only a few varieties out to farmers and they can't even plant their own seeds. I personally prefer the many over the few. Peace


Edit: I see you use veganic amendments. Nice! Do you also use EWC? Do you brew teas? I've had a homemade cycler using air pressure to pump tea back up to top, was fun but a lot of work to water/feed plants. Instead I took to the nutrient calc and used minerals to feed. Started with Jack's 5-12-26 then adding a bit or MKP and I was hooked! Hope to see more of your work and see what seeds you've come up with!

Thanks.
Ya know with regards to the veggies, I completely understand, to an extent. Heirloom is king....When you say varieties,(come present day) there comes a point where all your doing is making another hybrid, making another variety that is the same as a previous. All your doing is slapping a catchy name to it. And the same goes for cannabis. Sure it's colorful, tasty and gets you high. But where's the true "UNIQUE". Point is cannabis has been diluted for so long and it's all for profits. I remember a time when it wasn't legal to patent a plant. Variety then, truly meant variety. But don't get me wrong, there's still some variety to be had in cannabis. I just feel we need to focus our efforts better. Research is being done on chemotype2 and the effects of controlled stress. Findings are favorable for altering the cannabanoid profile and terpenes, of which wouldn't have been produced under normal conditions. Why not chemotype1.

I do and don't use teas. I haven't this flower or veg run. I've got a vortex airlift brewer, but really it's over rated. Amino acids are the key, along with organic acids and a hearty mineral load. The cover crop and bokashi fill in all the gaps. I'm 0ppm water only, RODI pump system on demand, blumat irrigation. Worms are in the bed. They're feeding on the bokashi. Because I run multi strain, sometimes a individual plant will need a little extra. Mabey it's a mag whore, or likes more N. I have fermented plant/fruit/aloe/seed extracts. A foliar in veg or mabey a qt in flower at that respective plants base. My efforts are minimal.

Jacks works but different folks, different strokes.

 

[WOEDAE]

Hmmm might be bit high…did not understand what i wrote…. Doesn’t matter…all i mean is keep going on and exciting my neurons

Your good to go buddy!!
I like to use malted barley from the local homebrew shop. Fresh aloe and coconut water! Corn, mung bean, and lentils for seed sprout extracts. And the bokashi bran is your standard LAB/ molasses serum to wheat bran. I've even used hemp heart and brown paper bags ran through the cross-cut office shredder. I get alot of N from my fodder, and I don't leach anytning out of my bed. So the bokashi inputs is mainly geared towards flower. Lots of pumpkin, winter squash, ect
I even sprinkle a little kelp and alfalfa In-between layers. Any and all crustaceans too! The acid really helps to "soften" the shell and it's quicker to release into the soil.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Whats good everyone. I'm an old school grower with some new school moves. I've had some colorful negation belong to other forums. I won't specifically mention em, but let's just say I'm OK, NOT OK, with saying shit is fire, being grown all nasty and necrotic. 4+' tall and yields of maybe. 50oz. Each Overgrowing and rolling up what????? I think it's time to play with the Big Boys. I don't like hermi buds that look like another turd rolled in gitter, also the one that you just had to "sample" prematurely. Terpene Terminaters-

Oh and I don't " pheno hunt/flower out " in a 2x2 via pollen chuck. Imma real cat, with commonsense values. If that offends you, I'm sorry, not sorry. A+B will always equal =C.
I guess, when all you have to reach in is a bag of dicks, your gonna go for the biggest one. Common sense i guess. Your still a "brand boy". Bust more bean N pop more seeds, But stay true to the fourm pollen chuckers. °Yeah, I'm different-

I'll be real, I'm on a different level, I
run No-Till/ True Living Veganic. Completely automated with HP blumats, cap mat and double -end manifold bed. Custom soil, complete automation, with supplemented Fermentations. Im growing medicine, not some bullshit sample for a Snapchat, post trim pic. Lol

I know this is home to some of the Real Deals, and with that comes those eager to learn from the best. I hope to add what I can, and learn from who I can. Namaste, this one's for you.... take the hat off bro.

Damn, that's quite an intro.

Almost as good as mine :

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[WOEDAE]

Damn, that's quite an intro.

Almost as good as mine :

Geezer Reverse-Engineers Northern Lights

This is my first/last/only post to this forum. Moderators, I think I’ve cleaned this info up enough so it will not violate your TOS but if you have any issues with the content of this post, please do not edit it, just delete it. I’m not pimping/hawking a commercial site or selling anything. I...

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I think you nailed it!!! And with taste and tact.

 

[Persianfarmer]

Yo! Thx for reverting back so promptly and for the invaluable info, so u know i am gonna hit you harder with questions damn

1) how do you balance your soil PH? Do you use the vinegar and baking soda method or by putting acidic and alkalin stuff to kinda balance? Where is your sweet spot for PH? Usually Ganja loves slightly acidic soil but it also slightly differs depending on the strain

2) Amino Acid is key, how to you make it available in soil? Via seeds such as chia and flax?

3) seashells and crustacea are the bomb but hard to get, would egg shell kinda be a weaker alternative? I make my own Cal Mag with raw and slighty burned ones and mix it with a bit of vinegar and baking soda, to extract the calmag in a solution

4) where you able to find out a technique or equation as to how we can calculate the NPK ratio that we feed our soil? For the moment it is mission impossible for me to find out…I just feed my soil with everything i can source locally like a junkie, but if the soil is too rich it might stun and burn the little ladies

5) Do you use molasses to fatten the buds? Coz I used to but then a few pros told me that it is not necessary if you are able to have a super active microbial soil…what is your thought in that?

6) I used to do all da shit like LST, super cropping, Fim, top. But then a famous breeder said that we should not top as you will lose the A quality bud and create more Bs. So I just LST? You thoughts?

7) I can’t measure my ppm, and so I go by feeling. What is your NPK at different stages?

8) Wow coconut water???? Thats super expensive how do you manage? U in south of India or Thailand buddy???? Do you use it for the salts and electolytes? What difference it makes?

Will hit you with more questions a bit later as we go along… I will not let you at peace and rest my friend so sorry

But jokes aside! You are a very solid grower and am glad our paths crossed….Now I can really welcome you in ICMAG properly by taking my hat off and salut u bud

 

[WOEDAE]

Yo! Thx for reverting back so promptly and for the invaluable info, so u know i am gonna hit you harder with questions damn

1) how do you balance your soil PH? Do you use the vinegar and baking soda method or by putting acidic and alkalin stuff to kinda balance? Where is your sweet spot for PH? Usually Ganja loves slightly acidic soil but it also slightly differs depending on the strain

2) Amino Acid is key, how to you make it available in soil? Via seeds such as chia and flax?

3) seashells and crustacea are the bomb but hard to get, would egg shell kinda be a weaker alternative? I make my own Cal Mag with raw and slighty burned ones and mix it with a bit of vinegar and baking soda, to extract the calmag in a solution

4) where you able to find out a technique or equation as to how we can calculate the NPK ratio that we feed our soil? For the moment it is mission impossible for me to find out…I just feed my soil with everything i can source locally like a junkie, but if the soil is too rich it might stun and burn the little ladies

5) Do you use molasses to fatten the buds? Coz I used to but then a few pros told me that it is not necessary if you are able to have a super active microbial soil…what is your thought in that?

6) I used to do all da shit like LST, super cropping, Fim, top. But then a famous breeder said that we should not top as you will lose the A quality bud and create more Bs. So I just LST? You thoughts?

7) I can’t measure my ppm, and so I go by feeling. What is your NPK at different stages?

8) Wow coconut water???? Thats super expensive how do you manage? U in south of India or Thailand buddy???? Do you use it for the salts and electolytes? What difference it makes?

Will hit you with more questions a bit later as we go along… I will not let you at peace and rest my friend so sorry

But jokes aside! You are a very solid grower and am glad our paths crossed….Now I can really welcome you in ICMAG properly by taking my hat off and salut u bud

1. I don't balance pH, not in True living Organics. The soil biology and plants balance it via exudate sent out the roots.

2. Plants synthesize amino acids by taking in inorganic nitrogen from the soil (in the form of nitrate or ammonium) and combining it with carbon skeletons derived from glucose produced through photosynthesis, essentially using energy from sunlight to transform these raw materials into amino acids, with glutamate often serving as the primary building block for other amino acids through a process called transamination; this process requires significant energy and is primarily facilitated by the plant's roots absorbing nitrogen compounds from the soil. This is how you achieve High Brix.

3. Eggshells work just fine. I'm not sure why your adding a bicarbonate to the vinegar. The eggshells are the bicarbonate your trying to make soluble. Just bake the shells, crush them up with a rolling pin and add brown rice vinegar. Let that go for a week or 2. I have a jar of it, but its not something I commonly use unless remedial action is needed. It's going on a few years old now.

4. No there's not really a secret tek or formula. Just focus on providing high quality inputs based on what they bring to the table. Some have enzymes, hormones, vitamins and of course the NPK CaMgS
I think kelp is overlooked alot. And very often so is silicon.

5. I think they gave you solid advise. There's no need to feed the microbes sugar unless they've stalled out. Keep a steady supply of organic material and they keep at work breaking it down. And the plant will continue to farm them. In respect to the "ripening", in a natural system the plants will decrease their up take as the end of life nears. By exciting the microbes with some sugar you can in a way "force feed" the plant. But at this stage of growth, you would benefit more from the plant using up its internal stores. Makes the quality of the flower go sky high and terpenes are a huge factor in how the cannabanoids affect us.

6. I've heard this. I'll top, crop, and lst based on cultivar. Some it massively helps, and others that have a strong apical dominance it's counter productive. Genetics are king!
I have 2 plants pictured above that are pure afghani and indica. Alien Technology and LA Affie. The alien is a landrace afghani it will grow a huge center cola and mediocre side branching, and if you look in the picture, the main cola is missing. I topped it to take a clone and even tho that apical dom was cut, the plant didn't redirect. The Affie is a pure indica and has more branching along with the apical dom. This is a plant that would benefit from training. Just so happens she takes it well, but they're not all like that. So really it all comes down to knowing the strain your running.

7. I honestly can't tell you what my NPK is. It's all there and in plentiful amounts. The plants take what they need, when they need it. Also, I don't re-fortify every cycle. Depending on the cultivars and they're needs, I can go several cycles before I have to topdress with anything. When your growing No-Till, think if it as a lasagna. It has layers. How many depends on you mainly, but ensuring every layer has a little of every ingredient only makes for one badass meal! And the worms will thank you too!

8. This made me laugh. Bro i wish I was!! I don't use it often but it brings hormones, vitamins, enzymes and some potassium. The sodium is minimal when it's diluted. I think I pay $3.00 for a qt size carton. I've been mainly using it straight out the bottle to dilute my fermented extracts. I'll use this concentrate solution and soak hardwood lump charcoal to make bio-char.

Thanks Gromie, that's a very kind and warming welcome. I definitely appreciate the love and I love talking cannabis!!!

 

[AcrylicGoblin]

I'll be real, I'm on a different level, I
run No-Till/ True Living Veganic. Completely automated with HP blumats, cap mat and double -end manifold bed. Custom soil, complete automation, with supplemented Fermentations.

Are these the lyrics to greaselightning?

Looks like you've got your shit dialed in and that cannabis is beautiful. Welcome aboard!

 

[StonedPone]

Welcome !
Great work man! Having just started my journey into organic growing, I look forward to seeing more of your work and maybe learn a thing or three.

 

[WOEDAE]

Are these the lyrics to greaselightning?

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Looks like you've got your shit dialed in and that cannabis is beautiful. Welcome aboard!

Thanks man. The meme is priceless

 

[WOEDAE]

Welcome !
Great work man! Having just started my journey into organic growing, I look forward to seeing more of your work and maybe learn a thing or three.

Thanks for the welcome!! True Living Organics is the way forward in this industry. Mother Nature nailed it, were just copying her.

 

[Persianfarmer]

1. I don't balance pH, not in True living Organics. The soil biology and plants balance it via exudate sent out the roots.

2. Plants synthesize amino acids by taking in inorganic nitrogen from the soil (in the form of nitrate or ammonium) and combining it with carbon skeletons derived from glucose produced through photosynthesis, essentially using energy from sunlight to transform these raw materials into amino acids, with glutamate often serving as the primary building block for other amino acids through a process called transamination; this process requires significant energy and is primarily facilitated by the plant's roots absorbing nitrogen compounds from the soil. This is how you achieve High Brix.

3. Eggshells work just fine. I'm not sure why your adding a bicarbonate to the vinegar. The eggshells are the bicarbonate your trying to make soluble. Just bake the shells, crush them up with a rolling pin and add brown rice vinegar. Let that go for a week or 2. I have a jar of it, but its not something I commonly use unless remedial action is needed. It's going on a few years old now.

4. No there's not really a secret tek or formula. Just focus on providing high quality inputs based on what they bring to the table. Some have enzymes, hormones, vitamins and of course the NPK CaMgS
I think kelp is overlooked alot. And very often so is silicon.

5. I think they gave you solid advise. There's no need to feed the microbes sugar unless they've stalled out. Keep a steady supply of organic material and they keep at work breaking it down. And the plant will continue to farm them. In respect to the "ripening", in a natural system the plants will decrease their up take as the end of life nears. By exciting the microbes with some sugar you can in a way "force feed" the plant. But at this stage of growth, you would benefit more from the plant using up its internal stores. Makes the quality of the flower go sky high and terpenes are a huge factor in how the cannabanoids affect us.

6. I've heard this. I'll top, crop, and lst based on cultivar. Some it massively helps, and others that have a strong apical dominance it's counter productive. Genetics are king!
I have 2 plants pictured above that are pure afghani and indica. Alien Technology and LA Affie. The alien is a landrace afghani it will grow a huge center cola and mediocre side branching, and if you look in the picture, the main cola is missing. I topped it to take a clone and even tho that apical dom was cut, the plant didn't redirect. The Affie is a pure indica and has more branching along with the apical dom. This is a plant that would benefit from training. Just so happens she takes it well, but they're not all like that. So really it all comes down to knowing the strain your running.

7. I honestly can't tell you what my NPK is. It's all there and in plentiful amounts. The plants take what they need, when they need it. Also, I don't re-fortify every cycle. Depending on the cultivars and they're needs, I can go several cycles before I have to topdress with anything. When your growing No-Till, think if it as a lasagna. It has layers. How many depends on you mainly, but ensuring every layer has a little of every ingredient only makes for one badass meal! And the worms will thank you too!

8. This made me laugh. Bro i wish I was!! I don't use it often but it brings hormones, vitamins, enzymes and some potassium. The sodium is minimal when it's diluted. I think I pay $3.00 for a qt size carton. I've been mainly using it straight out the bottle to dilute my fermented extracts. I'll use this concentrate solution and soak hardwood lump charcoal to make bio-char.

Thanks Gromie, that's a very kind and warming welcome. I definitely appreciate the love and I love talking cannabis!!!

Yo Homie!

You know I appreciate your feedbacks and hope the questions I raise are not too boring, but I intend to make them more challenging as I learn ( I love learning all the time, that shit never ends) and the more I know the more I realize how little I know

Anyways I really appreciate our conversations and your mentoring. Hope one I will be up there with you guys, cultivating one hitter herbs.

Today I found out that it was not crows but freaking pigeons, and I think because of me they have acquired a taste for marijuana and eat one Beaver Cookie and one Somango (fuck me)…. So sorry I am kinda pissed

 

[Persianfarmer]

Yo Homie!

You know I appreciate your feedbacks and hope the questions I raise are not too boring, but I intend to make them more challenging as I learn ( I love learning all the time, that shit never ends) and the more I know the more I realize how little I know

Anyways I really appreciate our conversations and your mentoring. Hope one I will be up there with you guys, cultivating one hitter herbs.

Today I found out that it was not crows but freaking pigeons, and I think because of me they have acquired a taste for marijuana and eat one Beaver Cookie and one Somango (fuck me)…. So sorry I am kinda pissed

And regarding topping and what you said above, you are totally right! I do not know if it is a good example as each strain carries 20 genetic traits (learned that from Sifu a few days), but here is an example of 2 plants of the same strain, one being topped at node 5 and one untouched….what an obvious difference!

 

[WOEDAE]

And regarding topping and what you said above, you are totally right! I do not know if it is a good example as each strain carries 20 genetic traits (learned that from Sifu a few days), but here is an example of 2 plants of the same strain, one being topped at node 5 and one untouched….what an obvious difference!

Definitely applicable.
Something else to consider tho too....cannabis, being a wind pollinated plant, the males are generally taller than the females. Often in my gardens when I see young plants of the same age and they're un trained, I commonly assume the taller ones are boys. It's not 100% accurate, but you get the idea.

 

[StonedPone]

Thanks for the welcome!! True Living Organics is the way forward in this industry. Mother Nature nailed it, were just copying her.

Yup, TLO is the path I went down. I still have a bit of a learning curve but there are enough folks here doing organics that I can usually find an answer to any questions I may have. Cheers!