Thai, Red string and Gold string.

[Koondense]

Just came to my mind I probably grew a "gold thai" in autoflowering version last season outdoors.

Here's a picture of her:



From what the breeder says, it should be Gold Thai.
Link to description: https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=299338&d=1420715620

The smell description is spot on, with more than just a hint of lemon and lime. Potency is ok, with 5-6 hours of light couldn't get better results.

 

[satva]

hey redfrogs! Yes, Hmong and Meao refer to marijuana from the highland mountainous region of Thailand, Laos, Burma,

What's in a name?
Chinese: its Miao 苗;Miáo;
Vietnamese: Meo or H'Mông;
Thai: แม้ว Maew) or ม้ง (Mong;
Spanish: Ace Seeds calls it Meao Thai
Spanish: Cannabiogen calls it Destroyer. They collected the seeds and breed the strain.
English: Northern California calls it Highland Burmese Thai
I call it Highland Thai <lol> just to be consistent.......

This mountaineous region is the northern most part of Thailand with mountains as high as 2,500 meters. I've always liked highland grown marijuana. In theory - the northern latitude, cooler temperature, and high altitude require Highland Thai genetics to flower earlier than an equatorial or tropical sativa that gets 12/12 light cycle 365 days a year.

From the Rocky Mountain highlands ~ 5,750 feet

 

[ahortator]

Hi everybody.

I think Cannabiogen Destroyer is (Meao Thailandia x Mexico/Colombia). A really good strain which you can find some Thai leaning phenos, but not a pure Thai.

It is said ACE lost their Meao Thai male which has been given to them by Kaiki.

About Gold String Thai I have found this:

Here is a slightly fresher sample, tastier and more effective.. red string Thai weed seems to be quite commonplace in Western Europe since 2010. Green string and Gold string (reffering to the thread that runs through the plants from the commercial growing process) varieties are reputedly stronger.

http://www.toostonedtoplay.com/reviews/cannabisguide/weed/thai-weed

WTF!!! I live in one of the Westernmost countries in Europe and here only arrive Marrocan soapbar and acorns.

Greetings.

 

[satva]

Yes, Destroyer is a hybrid, and not pure Thai. Destroyer's Colombian/Mexican male was lost and replaced by Mr. Klean. .......

Originally Posted by satva
Mr Klean, the male in today's Destroyer is pictured in this thread, he is a selection from Destroyer genetics. He looks Thai.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219224

Destroyer may be closer to a Pure Thai than I realized - the effect of those with aysmetrical branching was a Thai high and is relatively easy to grow indoors.

The nine Meao Thai females assures depth and variety of pheno-types within Destroyer's mostly Thailand genetics. Charlie Garcia noted - in the original (early) breeding a Mexican / Colombian male pollinated nine Meao Thai females and he was replaced by a Thai looking male in 2003...
FWIW


Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie garcia
Not problem Infinitesimal
Destroyer uses its male, a dad maintained from 2003, called Mr Klean (in the picture) by friend Raco
All Meao Thai crosses use a pure Meao Thai male so most lines made with ACE are real F1s, not Destroyer used there
best
kaiki
Mr. Klean is 12 years old and still kicking afaik

 

[mexcurandero420]

Mama Thai is also a good one for a try.Never smoked another good one like this one.

Keep on growing

 

[Lester Beans]

Actually there isn't such diversity of cannabinoids in the different landraces worldwide. In fact as many researchers pointed, there is certainly a small variation between the cannabinoids that different strains and plants contain. It's mostly THC and sometimes CBD too. The rest it's just traces in such small amounts that they most likely don't have anything to do with the differents effects from them.

It's the enormous diversity of terpenes and maybe also other substances what really gives the character to strains. I'm not sure if all the Flavonoids and the rest of the diverse substances contained in cannabis may also affect the high like terpenes do. But it's definitely all about the Entourage Effect studied by Ethan Russo. And how the terpenes modify the THC/CBD psicoactive effects. Also the terpenes have their very own effect by themselves. Aromatherapy is based on this.

Otherwise, how every plant is so different in terms of high when most of them have very similar cannabinoid ratios and contents?

Vibes!

I def meant terpenes, thanks for the correction and excellent post Musta!

 

[satva]

mexcurandero420, how do you grow, and how long do you flower Mama Thai?

 

[Dog Star]

Mexcurandero420,very nice plant and looks pure.

Will show soon some Destroyer freak-thai phenotip i got in feminized bean,have those buds
that look as strings,original to made thai-sticks..and effects are pure bliss,

love a Destroyer that i got.


Kind regards


DS

 

[redfrogs]

Ahortator, Thanks for the info as usual. You’re better than weed google.



Has scrub ever described the effect of the Mr. Asia or qld thai? When you say or he says Nep or HM structure do you mean like a pine tree/giant bud/ Christmas tree?


In the link, the thai bush weed stuff is very interesting. However, the red string thai in their pics looks fake? I don’t know, red string thai normally looks like the gold thai in the pic, just with a redstring that looks similar(string/thread wise) to the gold. Not like the one they have pictured. I have heard that the green string thai is the one people describe as the opium thai stick (I have never seen it personally). I have only tried inferior types of “raffia” string thais in both red and green. The grading for commercial normally goes:


1 Gold string
2 Red string
3 “real green string” (If it exists)
4 Raffia string (green and reds, flat plastic rope), I think this is the Laos brick people talk about or local home-grown low grade?

“Thai stick” is defiantly not extinct. I kinda have a strong feeling that gold thai might just be the thai in NL.

Koondense, haha funny thing is I was considering getting that exact strain just to know what gold thai was like…but I found these ones instead. Thanks for the thumbs up on the smell description, although the lemon lime influence in yours is mostly likely from the ruddy. Defiantly looks a biggen.

Satva, as good as the destroyer is and I would recommend it too. My guess is Charlie took his best 3 sativas/favourites, meao, HOG and PR and made a backcrosses or similar with thai as the base strain. I don’t know Charlie, but I think that he has a preference for uplifting, inspirational, happy and social stuff; it’s not that common to see him playing with trippy stuff. Thus, I feel that the meao he would have used would not be gold thai or red thai. This inference coming from me growing destroyer and several meao thai crosses as well as being well versed in thai stuff …Meao, itself I don’t think is commercial stuff or “thai stick”. It is another type of thai altogether.

Mex, I am not looking to purchase organisms at the moment but thanks anyway for the suggestion.

Thanks.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Ahortator, Thanks for the info as usual. You’re better than weed google.



Has scrub ever described the effect of the Mr. Asia or qld thai? When you say or he says Nep or HM structure do you mean like a pine tree/giant bud/ Christmas tree?


In the link, the thai bush weed stuff is very interesting. However, the red string thai in their pics looks fake? I don’t know, red string thai normally looks like the gold thai in the pic, just with a redstring that looks similar(string/thread wise) to the gold. Not like the one they have pictured. I have heard that the green string thai is the one people describe as the opium thai stick (I have never seen it personally). I have only tried inferior types of “raffia” string thais in both red and green. The grading for commercial normally goes:


1 Gold string
2 Red string
3 “real green string” (If it exists)
4 Raffia string (green and reds, flat plastic rope), I think this is the Laos brick people talk about or local home-grown low grade?

“Thai stick” is defiantly not extinct. I kinda have a strong feeling that gold thai might just be the thai in NL.

Koondense, haha funny thing is I was considering getting that exact strain just to know what gold thai was like…but I found these ones instead. Thanks for the thumbs up on the smell description, although the lemon lime influence in yours is mostly likely from the ruddy. Defiantly looks a biggen.

Satva, as good as the destroyer is and I would recommend it too. My guess is Charlie took his best 3 sativas/favourites, meao, HOG and PR and made a backcrosses or similar with thai as the base strain. I don’t know Charlie, but I think that he has a preference for uplifting, inspirational, happy and social stuff; it’s not that common to see him playing with trippy stuff. Thus, I feel that the meao he would have used would not be gold thai or red thai. This inference coming from me growing destroyer and several meao thai crosses as well as being well versed in thai stuff …Meao, itself I don’t think is commercial stuff or “thai stick”. It is another type of thai altogether.

Mex, I am not looking to purchase organisms at the moment but thanks anyway for the suggestion.

Thanks.

G`day RF

The Laos bricks I`ve seen had no string .
Vacuum sealed 100 gram blocks are the unit .

RE NL

There where at least 9 Northern Lights variations . All based on an Afghani IBL . #1 was the most Indica . Afghani IBL x Afghani #1 from Sacred Seeds . #5 Was Afghani IBL x Hawaiian. The higher the # the more Sativa influence . I think #9 was the Thai cross . There were Indian and Colombian crosses too .
Nevil crossed a Male NL #1 to the NL#5 and sold the seeds as NL #5 .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[redfrogs]

Hi Elmer, 100g bricks are the norm for big amounts. Besides ¼, ½ or kgs. These days unless you are very near the source or before it is bricked it is very hard to identify what is what. That is unless you know what you are looking for (smell, stickiness, etc…). This is because the people moving the stuff remove it as then they can sell any grade at the same price. I only found a few threads in my gold and red string samples (had a lot too). Last time I seen a full intact export red string was probably in 2009. Market is driven by supply after all. Most if not all bricked stuff in SEA will be mixed. If you handle enough of the stuff, you will notice that there is a 2:1 ratio mixed in a brick. 2 parts filler, 1 part red string/gold string. Now, that filler stuff isn’t bad either, so just remember to look carefully the next time you get a brick

I don’t know which NL it is but the Afghan x (Afghan x Thai) I am speaking about. Which ever that one is, this is probably is the sativa that gives that NL that the oomph/extra special quality.

 

[ahortator]

Hi everybody

Satva, if Mr. Klean is a Thai Destroyer pheno, then the new Destroyer is 75% thai instead of 50% in the old one. As a 100% sativa with so high Thai influence it is a very interesting strain.

It is out of existence but Double Thai (Koh Chang Thai x Meao Thai F3) seems very interesting too. Perhaps the best seed of this strain was produced when Cannabiogen and ACE worked side by side.

Redfrogs.

All I can find about Scrubdog's Thai Stick (Sumatran and othe Indonesian) description is they were far stronger than present day strains, with a speedy, trippy (LSD like?), menthanphetamine high.

Thai stick was the trippiest, most potent weed on the planet. End of story. Anybody who actually tried the real thing will tell you that and they will just laugh at you when you start going on about "White Widow" or some other fancy Dutch strain. The weed coming out of South East Asia at that time was stronger than anything that is around these days. As well as Thai Stick there was also "tripping weed" coming out of Sumatra and Vietnam that .... well you really have to try it to understand. The high is more like an acid trip than a weed experience.

"Sumatran Tripping weed" as it was called in the 80's is a different animal altogether. Possibly the most potent weed I've ever smoked (equal with Thai Stick). A bit like smoking methamphetamine.

"Indonesian is the most consistently potent sativa I have ever grown or smoked. Very racey, very paranoia inducing...

In thirty years the ONLY cannabis I've ever had that was even remotely like that is original Thai Stick direct from the Mr Asia syndicate and Sumatran tripping weed from Indonesia. I'm not interested in couch lock strains either. For some reason they don't seem to work very well on me and I don't like couch lock anyway. I'm old and tired as it is... the last thing I need is to be tranquilised further.... I like speedy stuff that makes you want to dance.

About the Queensland Thai he talks specially about the huge size of the plants and the seeds.

As for Aussie.... yes the Aussies had the best weed but it was a whole different world. Aussie weed was driven by the Mr Asia syndicate and the organised crime smuggling rings that followed. Some of the biggest commercial crops outside Asia were grown in Aussie during the 70's and 80's. The tropical weed coming out of the Queensland sugar cane belt was nothing short of magic. They had... and probably still have... a huge strain that supposedly came from Thailand. Queensland plants were the biggest I've ever seen and I've seen many 15 - 20 foot sativas over the years. That Queensland stuff was real Jack and the beanstalk seeds. As well as the biggest plants but also the biggest seeds I've ever seen apart from a few mutant Afghani seeds.

the best weed I've ever smoked bar none was Mr Asia Thai Sticks and best plants I've ever seen were Queensland Thai from same period. In thirty-five years I've never seen anything else like those Queensland plants and I've grown a lot of landrace sativas that hit twenty feet high plus. Back then some nutter in Queensland was growing ACRES of these Thai trees until he got busted.

Those Queensland plants were what turned me on to sativas but I've never seen that strain again. Biggest leaves, fastest growth... just absolutely insane. Biggest seeds I've ever seen by miles. In my ignorance I thought all sativas were like that but never seen one again.

I started chasing Haze plants to look for the Thai strains (either Mr Asia Thai or Queensland Thai) but instead of finding giant trees I kept finding these horrible spindly plants that the Dutch were calling haze plants. WTF!!!!

Over the years I've become more and more disillusioned with the weed scene worldwide. Mexico used to grow square miles of sativa trees. I've seen photos of a 25ft pure Mexican sativa that yielded 15 pound of bud. That isn't unique okay. Mexican pot was all huge trees once and so was Colombian... but Thai was even bigger and more potent.

Scrubdog talks about the old Mr. Asia Thai Stick (prior 1976 I think) structure as something like a tree, like some Nepalese and Himalayans. They are unlike Christmast Tree, more like a naked trunk with a ball of branches on the top. I know he posted exactly the same photo of the Nepalese tree I posted before. Sometimes he describes the structure like a cross between bamboo and a willow tree.

I'm sure most people would hate a cannabis plant that grows like a cross between tropical bamboo and a willow tree on steroids.... but I love it. This is like my dream plant in terms of growth pattern. I just love wild and raw old school Thai lines that grow into huge bushes and trees.

The normal phenotype for most landrace sativas is a small tree.... or at least it was until the 1980's.

Old school Thai had larger seeds and calyxs than any other strain and grew like a tropical plant... as in everything about it was big. Thai was known to have larger leaves for example than any other strain. The famed "alligator tails."

Bushweed posted this Hmong Thai from Phisanulok.

And this one too by Bushweed, as a typical Thai structure:

There are not only one Thai strain, but many different strains. The goal is to find the most similar to the Thai Sticks of the 70's. Gypsy Thai Stick is a good one to begin the quest, because some plants have the same smoke. Your Gold string Thai could be one of them too.

If the Thai in Northern Lights was Thai Stick, must be very diluted among the Afghan genetics, terpenoids and CBD.

I am not enough old to have known that stuff so I must learn from the veterans who smoked and grew those wonderful strains.

I don't know if Elmer is so old , but I think he knows about the subject very well. At least it seems he had many girlfriends there

Greetings

 

[redfrogs]

Ahorater, many many many thanks. You are a boss.

Let you guys know when I start. Till then take care all

 

[mexcurandero420]

mexcurandero420, how do you grow, and how long do you flower Mama Thai?

I didn't grow this one, but i was very pleased to smoke some of the buds and the high was a mindf^cker.This pheno had a flowering period of 18 weeks, but could probably a little longer.

Keep on growing

 

[Elmer Bud]

If the Thai in Northern Lights was Thai Stick, must be very diluted among the Afghan genetics, terpenoids and CBD.

I am not enough old to have known that stuff so I must learn from the veterans who smoked and grew those wonderful strains.

I don't know if Elmer is so old , but I think he knows about the subject very well. At least it seems he had many girlfriends there

Greetings

G`day AH

The NL that became mainstream were . NL #1 ; Afghani IBL x Afghani #1 from Sacred seeds . NL #5 ; Afghani IBL x Hawaiian .

NL #9 ; Afghani IBL x Thai .Was crossed to Skunk by Nevil and sold in his catalogue .

Nevil crossed the NL#5 female to a NL #1 male and sold the seeds as NL #5 .
No Thai . Unless the Hawaiian was Thai grown in Hawaii ...
But the breeder just says Hawaiian .

Nevil was in the throws of barbiturate and alcohol abuse at the time he received the NL series . I think some details were missed or confused . My info comes from the NL breeder .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[satva]

posts 45 - 51 show the freaky, vine-like pheno-type of Destroyer in full flower.
http://www.cannaweed.com/topic/67321-topic-unique-cannabiogen/page__st__40

This pheno flowers in half the time of Gypsy's Thai Stick. Another ICMag'er flowered for +30 weeks ~ Gypsy's Thai Stick x "Neville's Holy Grail" ~~~Thai Stick x Neville's Haze 21 x Mullimbimby Madness (one of Kanga's "Tropical Thais")

The Australian growers know Thailand genetics. Australians are the ones to contact. Destroyer is not an Equatorial / Tropical Thai, such as Thai Stick. The point - I'm belaboring, is that most indoors growers have success with properly breed Thai hybrids like Destroyer, and fewer indoor growers have success growing ultra-long flowering strains like original Thai Stick.

Thanks mercandareo420, Mama Thai ~ at 18 weeks is one I've considered...

PS> One long-flowering pheno-type in Mango Haze is Sweet ~ Thai dominate high! Smells of Guava/Lemon/Rose. I'm trying to reverse engineer an f2, culling anything that looks or smells remotely Afghani. If the high and terpenes remain the same in the f2 ~ I'll back-cross to a Destroyer mother.

 

[ahortator]

Hi everybody.

Redfrogs.

I only copy and paste. The real bosses are the people like Scrubdog, Bushweed, Don, or Kanga, who shared their knowledge.

Good luck with your project.

G'day Elmer

Thanks for your clarificarion. Certainly I was wrong about the NL genetics. Musta tell me the same too.

Anyway whatever the sativa used to make the NL it must be too diluted to give someting remotely similar to a real sativa tripping high.

I have seen always NL stated as an almost pure indica strain.

Thank you again.


Satva. Some GN Thai Stick flowering length is a nightmare. I have one which was germinated in August 2013, later cloned in November 2013, and cloned again this Summer and only one little clone is flowering now. All the others, alongside the clone from November 2013, are still deciding if they flower or if they still continue growing in vegetative stage. They are growing outdoor. If you had a pheno like this, growing is a several year project until you can smoke some unripe bud

I hope the high worth the effort.

Greetings.

 

[Elmer Bud]

1.36-tonne cannabis bust

The arrest resulted from information from Somchai Ketsri, 34, of Phichit, who had been arrested with 614 kilogrammes of cannabis bars on Phetchakasem Highway in Pathiu last November. All the traffickers had transported cannabis from Laos to southern Thailand, Pol Maj Gen Kittisan said.

The seized cannabis had a market price of about 20 million baht as it was retailed at 15,000 baht [approx US $ 500] per kilogramme, Pol Maj Gen Kittisan said.

 

[jamesb35]

[FONT=&quot]ahortator, thank you very much. Your information has helped me make informed choices. I know what I must do. In this case, perhaps it is better to work the line and have a separate line with open pollination. This will not be easy for me or my cats to achieve but I shall try.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Satva, nice. That is the wispy destroyer. If I’m not wrong Hmong Thai is the same as meao thai? Hmong = miow peoples? But shall check it out thanks for the tip.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Dogstar, I have not found thais that are mad euphoric in SEA thai (yet). I have seen then come from “thai” dominant hazes from outside SEA. Try mexis, Satva is right about trying the HG x BBS too; it would be quite similar.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Lester Beans[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I’ve not tried many African. But, I have mate who went on a year’s trip to the African continent. He is from adam, thus familiar with dutch stuff. I also smoked him up with hazes, malawis and others so he has a good knowledge of what I want. After a year of travelling from South Africa to Morocco and everywhere in between, he brought back only swazi. I asked why only swazi? No Malawi cob? No Moroccan? He said not to bother with anything else and that I just had to try it. Haven’t tried it yet, it’s on my to-do list. Would love to try angola red too. I would akin VB more as to MD/ADD pills than LSD. Best stuff to work or explore on the woods on.
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[FONT=&quot]The gold thai is fourth on my to-do list and will update when I start.[/FONT]



I also think as tea ... 15 years ago in Thailand I found a plant very similar to Alice that locals called thai broadleaf ... according mè this plant comes from a hybrid of California indicates with some local thai

 

[jamesb35]

one of the two branches have settled in the wall ...
was a clone of 20 cm ... really crazy growth ...