Thai, Red string and Gold string.

[redfrogs]

Hi everyone,

Recently I was in SEA collecting thai seeds. I am looking for some information on these two types thai sticks.

1) Red string thai. It is very sedating and burns you out (similar to Malawi). Feels indica like almost?

2)Gold string thai. Super powerful, energetic and trippy. Smells like minty carrots (reminds me of the description of zamal?), although bricked it was so sticky that it stuck to my fingers. Been a long time since I had a toke which made me lie in bed from tripping too hard. I find it similar in effect to the most powerful of the panama reds alas the gold string thai is trippier and more powerful.

I would like to take the gold string thai and cross it to some of my other strains.

1)I read that some thais can take a year or more to flower in the tropics and my mate grew a Phuket red string once and after 6 months 12/12 tropical outdoor it still hadn’t shown sex. Does anyone know if the thai farmers maybe take cuts or something to for production purposes etc…?

2) I guess the chance of thai seeds becoming hermi is very high, is this true? Would I have to work this line a while before I out cross it? I’m guessing I would have to.

3) Many have said that thai lines are very inbreed. Thus, I have a few different lines of gold string thai and if I crossed them together would they show hybrid vigour or a bit more stability hermi wise down the line maybe(without crossing hermis with hermis)?

4) The thai seeds are huge. They are similar in size to indica seeds like DC or 88 g13xhp seeds. I have read in a thread that kanga, bushweed and thai bliss said that thai seeds are usually big. However, I have my doubts that these are pure sativas. Does anyone know if the thai farmers maybe crossed an indica in to up yields and shorten flowering? Like thai x paki or thai x afghan?

5) I know that the string colours of the different thai sticks mark the grades of the stuff. But it was mentioned in the same thread above^ that most thai production has moved to laos or similar. Would the gold string thai be a laos sativa or a super highland thai? If anyone knows that be sweet.

Any knowledge is much appreciated, thanks IC.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day RF

Those big sticks with the string probably come from Cambodia rather than Thailand .

Though they are sold in South Thailand I think the proximity to Cambodia makes it more likely the source . Very little kancha is grown in Thailand from what I understand . Cambodia and Laos are the places its grown for consumption in Thailand. . Neither of which have as close relations with the USA Gov .

If you do some creative googling , you can find some grow logs of plants grown from seeds out of the sticks . They make their way to the UK regularly it seems .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Huesos]

Hello Red Frog and Brethren, as you mention red frog, different specimens from different regions have different effects. I can relate to the ones you mention of the sedating ones similar to Colombian ones. And, the trippy ones similar to the Vietnamese ....Huesos

 

[satva]

particularly the trippy ones

You might consider Cannabiogen's Destroyer - 85% Highland Thai, also called Meao Thai, or Hmong Thai. It started with 9 females from the mountainous region of Northern Thailand near the borders of Burma and Laos. Its stable and flowers in about 13 - 14 weeks. In 2003, Destroyer was back-crossed with a Highland Thai pheno-type, called Mr. Klean.

 

[ahortator]

Hi everybody

I have a very limited experience growing GN Thai Stick. I grew a few in August 2013 outdoors. I only was able to keep one clon. Later I made more clones from her. Since then I have seeen only a little clone flowering. She is doing it right now. The others are still almost or fully in vegetative stage. They are all together outside.

I would say the flowering is really very long. But the real problem is not the long flowering period, the actual problem is that they don't trigger to flower.

The seeds, al least the ones I had, were pretty big.

I have read that GN Thai Stick shows no hermie problem. I think perhaps it is due because these seeds are not from commercial buds, where the males are removed and the seeds you can find are the product of pollination from hermie females. I have read that the GN Thai Stick seeds are from a farmer so they must be made using true males. I don't know it sure. I am not an expert about Thais. All the 7 plants I had were females.

Anyway Thai strains are famous for change their sex if you look at them sideways

If I were a famer or dealer and the string color says de quality of the product. Certainly I would use the string which represents the best stuff I think one must try the product, and judge by oneself.

There are many different Thai strains, not only one, perhaps not all thin fingered leafed plants. But it is said the good old Thai sticks dissaperared because a big syndicate introduced Pakistani genetics there to get faster crops.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6273059&postcount=203

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6279436&postcount=232

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6344179&postcount=283

I would like to take the gold string thai and cross it to some of my other strains.

If you can, please, keep some seeds unhybridized in the freezer. Many good landraces are now lost forever due to hybridization. Real Thais are not the exception.

Greetings.

 

[Huesos]

Thank you Satva- I am grateful.

 

[redfrogs]

G'day fellas,

Thanks Elmer for the insight.

Huesos, i lived in south east asia for 12 years. The best of the best is the gold string thai. I have yet to knowledgeably try a Laos or Cambodian, old school kali might come close (to either of the 2) but it is hybridized. As for viets, I have dubis VB x T and some viet that my mate had collected in viet(looks like shwag and it's meh). I have yet to find anything similar to the crazy viet of the old days(never tried it, but it sounds lovely). Idk about GD or Musta but USC and charlie do offer some LB crosses or even pure(a few years ago). Would GD and CBG's LB be the same '85 LB?

(Old Kali, red stem cambodian/Laos dominant maybe?)

satva, thanks for your reply. I have charlie's destroyer for sure, even outcrossed it. It's not as powerful as gold string thai. Maybe i just haven't found the wispy long flowering pheno. The destroyer though has a very long lasting high (4-5 hrs?) compared to the gold thais (2-3 hr). Also ACE/dubi has mentioned that koh chang is stronger than meao (in GT or others). So i don't know what to believe now haha.

('14 Viet Shwag)

ahortator, thanks for the knowledge and the links. Good to know that the GN ones are big too, yay. Would you be in a tropical or temperate region btw? Of course, I will save them un-hybridized, but preferably I would work them before I vault/share them. Would it be better just to keep the genetics unworked though? My cuz is a dealer in SEA, he let me go thru a kilo of gold thai just so i can get my seeds, what a nice guy...so don't worry i can always get more I have heard that the best of the thais are the dwarf thais, I'm still looking for that one.


(Red string thai? Pic at the back belongs to kanga or bushweed)

Thanks everyone.

 

[ahortator]

Hi Redfrogs

I am in a temperate zone. Exactly in Spain. It never snows here where I live. The winter stop the growth of the plants but it not kill them.

I think that unworked and unhybridized landraces are much more valuable and interesting because they have all their genetic richness. For other people they must be a nighmare

Hybrids could be really good. But once you have introduced indica or skunk genetics in a real sativa the high lost much of its magic. At least they lose the ceilingless high and the low tolerance.

Everybody can buy seeds from seedbanks (if they are not very expensive, of course). But not so many can get landrace seeds of a highly psychedelic killer strain so easily.

I agree wit this experienced grower who knows Thai strains very well.

scrubdog
Origins of Haze I started reading the "True Origins of Haze" thread then got bored and irritated by all the fighting and flaming that had nothing to do with the subject. You see it all over the internet whenever Haze is mentioned. Wtf? I've been growing over 30 years so I'll tell you my experience of Hazes. Yes there was a haze line apparently from the Haze brothers and it changed annually as they added more sativas to the line. At one point you could get Haze #1 through #19 from various seedbanks. The first of these Haze lines that I grew out were huge plants (trees) and the seeds came from Switzerland and California and Canada. At the time they were the biggest, fastest, hardest to control plants out there. It wasn't till the Dutch got hold of them that the line became smaller, weaker, spindly and "delicate" because they selected for growing under lights and threw out all the super sativa phenos. It was a big thing back then amongst the Dutch growers about who would "tame" the Haze plant for growing under lights. There wasn't just Haze brothers Haze though. Virtually every seedbank in existence at that time jumped in with a Haze line. Any killer sativa strain ened up being called Haze and was often sold as Haze brothers Haze. Then there was a lot of breeding by seedbank growers crossing Haze brothers Haze with other sativas just to prevent loss of vigour through inbreeding. There is/was nothing wrong with this at all and is in fact the correct thing to do from a breeding perspective. Haze is after all nothing more than a mix of handpicked sativas and the truth is that anybody with access to pure landrace sativa lines can create a Haze line just as good or better.... if they can get decent genetics. Haze got screwed up when indica genetics and polyhybrids like NL5 were introduced to the line. It also got screwed up when so called "breeders" inbred the line and took all the wonderful genetic diversity out of it. True haze conceptually is a pure sativa line. End of story. I can tell you as somebody who has bred cannabis for thirty years that once you put indica blood in a line... even in small amounts.... you never get rid of it. It comes back to bite you again and again no matter how much you try to breed it out. Not only do you lose the savage bite of a screaming racey sativa but you open the whole line up to mould issues. It is plain stupid and a lazy shortcut to try and bring down flowering time and increase bud density. The correct approach is to use a fast flowering sativa and they do exist. Personally I don't think it matters one little bit if it's Haze brothers haze or Mickey Mouse Haze. What matters is whether it has the killer racey Haze effect that used to be like grabbing a speeding train and hanging on for dear life as it dumped you down a worm hole into Alice in Wonderland's reality. From a breeder's point of view it is also about the genetics. We wanted the longest possible flowering sativas!!! Duh!!! We wanted to grow trees in the forest. We wanted plants that needed 9 - 18 months to mature. They're exotic and special and just plain kickass awesome. We didn't want to grow them under lights. Ever. Now they are gone. The Haze I remember has been extinct for a long time. I have however heard nothing but good things about Nevs Haze. I've resisted growing it for over ten years because of the NL5 content and because it just doesn't look right. I look for long skinny leaves and a bamboo growth pattern when I'm looking for a killer sativa. Still it's not fair to say anything bad about a plant I haven't personally grown so I'm thinking I might do an outdoor Nev Haze grow and hit it with some Malawi or Lao just to boost the pure sativa content. scrubdog Last edited by scrubdog; 04-21-2012 at 12:05 AM.

Greetings.

 

[satva]

<lol> Man I'm too old to catch speeding freight trains!

This Destroyer is clear and focused.

Here's my smoke report on the sister of these girls. The photos are Destroyer old clones of clones, just started flowering on 14/10, probably due to old age. They grow every which way, I tie them down and grow them horizontal.........

"Destroyer smoke report ~ 17 week phenotype smell in jar is similar to Frankincense/Cedar/Pine/Sage, the smell of the smoke is Sage / Herbal / Pine.

Clear, energetic, cerebral ~ connoisseur high. 9 month of curing. For months during the curing the smell was of Sage/Straw, now the smell - in the jar- is Frankincense/Sweet Spice/Cedar/ Sage. This pheno-type is my favorite smoke. That concludes the straight commentary.

Now for the smoke report~~

I'm floating at bit, as the energy is uplifting, spiraling, and light. Energy is flowing from the upper part of my brain, light energy flowing all around at the level of my eyes. My heart rate and energy increased from the upper chest. The effect is more energetic than euphoric. Euphoria is felt as floating and uplifting - a characteristic of Highland Thai. By contrast - euphoria from Chimera's Highland Mexicans are more grounded and connected to the earth with good feeling. This phenotype is very clear - clearer than Chimera's Highland Mexican.

The spiraling energy flow around eye level of the head is psychedelic, The upper part of your brain is active, so the effect is uplifting. The high is clear, in the head. The body effect is contracting and a bit tight. Other than that - first class connoisseur high." The duration of the high is 3 -4 hours, doesn't take much to stay high all day.

PS> Take a look at bushweed's Hmong Thai in the "Landrace Pure Thai" thread, its a huge 25 foot tall bush, also pictures from other growers, all from another source than Cannabiogen...........

 

[Dog Star]

I think that was Kanga Hmong Thai,that huge plant that wasnt still flower on that picture.

Anyway thanx for your post Satva,love your explanations about type of high,
have also one Destroyer and i think i get those "freak Thai" phenotip,

type of high of mine Destroyer is "pleasurable",what i wanna say is like serotonine is
kicked great inside systhem and you feel pleasure and somehow you are happy with
self,feeling good weed that is how i see her.
Destroyer is great for social gatherings,atleast this pheno i have.

Love a Destroyer a lot but still searching for that "cant stop laugh" type of weed,
dont know are Thai genotypes are good for laughs or to look this more in Africans genetics??



All the best

DS

 

[satva]

"cant stop laugh" type of weed,

For Tropical sativas -from my era Panama Red and Acapulco Gold were fun loving highs, laughing, wild, and crazy high.

1971 -around a beach fire, Panama Red, the fire reflection on my feet - geez - I thought my feet were on fire, I'm screaming, dancing around - everyone else rolling around laughing. Acapulco Gold let the good times roll, didn't take much to trigger fits of uncontrollable laughing...some people note this in Chimera's cross of 1972 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry sativa. I don't, but I'm a serious "old dog", nice euphoric Mexican effect though.

Haven't experienced the Africans.

 

[Lester Beans]

The Africans to me are not the same feel good highs as the Thais, lums, mex. That Africans are more paranoid, intense, introspective highs. Clear, racy, down right scary for some folks. I have a Malawai that I couldn't give away. It was scary shit I was told, people said it made them panic about the slightest thing.

I only felt that once and that was with a special old Durban a girl I knew kept. Every time it was shit my pants high, see my dead grandma climbing my leg with a knife in her teeth type high. Yuk

The Vietnam Black, the most potent acid like weed I have come across to date, was more potent than any African I have smoked, but it was more like hell yeah let's go climb a tree! Yeeee haaaaw life is great! That, is what I like! My wife puffs the VB and nothing. Same with another friend, nothing. But they hit the indica and love it. So strange how each person can be so differently affected tisnt it?

Ran a few beans of cherry malawai and the results of those were wonky omnipotent ass hybrids that everyone was plastered off. Sad to have moved on from those.

Sorry, I could go on all day, just puffed some bb x haze weeeeeeee lol

 

[Dog Star]

"cant stop laugh" type of weed,

For Tropical sativas -from my era Panama Red and Acapulco Gold were fun loving highs, laughing, wild, and crazy high.

1971 -around a beach fire, Panama Red, the fire reflection on my feet - geez - I thought my feet were on fire, I'm screaming, dancing around - everyone else rolling around laughing. Acapulco Gold let the good times roll, didn't take much to trigger fits of uncontrollable laughing...some people note this in Chimera's cross of 1972 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry sativa. I don't, but I'm a serious "old dog", nice euphoric Mexican effect though.

Haven't experienced the Africans.

Thanx for reply Satva,
yes its pretty hard this days to found this giggly happy highs,
as you say it was 1971 when you smoked this kind of stuff,

i found few time in mine smoking career those type of high,
once i found him in hashish from Ghana and it was crazy laughs from every joint i was lit and once from some sativa buds but dont
know name of this strain,and she was also give this crazy feel,

i know its hard to found something like this but i still didnt smoke all those strains on market so i belive there is a good chance one day i will stumble again on this type of high.

All the best


DS

 

[Dog Star]

The Africans to me are not the same feel good highs as the Thais, lums, mex. That Africans are more paranoid, intense, introspective highs. Clear, racy, down right scary for some folks. I have a Malawai that I couldn't give away. It was scary shit I was told, people said it made them panic about the slightest thing.

I only felt that once and that was with a special old Durban a girl I knew kept. Every time it was shit my pants high, see my dead grandma climbing my leg with a knife in her teeth type high. Yuk

The Vietnam Black, the most potent acid like weed I have come across to date, was more potent than any African I have smoked, but it was more like hell yeah let's go climb a tree! Yeeee haaaaw life is great! That, is what I like! My wife puffs the VB and nothing. Same with another friend, nothing. But they hit the indica and love it. So strange how each person can be so differently affected tisnt it?

Ran a few beans of cherry malawai and the results of those were wonky omnipotent ass hybrids that everyone was plastered off. Sad to have moved on from those.

Sorry, I could go on all day, just puffed some bb x haze weeeeeeee lol

Thanx Lester on your post,yes i know there is a lot of racy strains
in Africa but there could also be some strains that have more
gentle cannabionide profile for CNS systhem and more favorable effects from same weed.

This my quest is now for years and i belive there are more years infront of me to found this kind of high,

lot of folks says they encountered this kind of high in old Highland Oaxacan Gold but i didnt found this genetics yet..
tryed Blueberry from DJ Short pre 1998,good weed but still not a
version of high i looking in.

Kind regards

DS

 

[Lester Beans]

There is definitely a wide variety of cannabanoids in African genetics and it is certainly worth exploring. Wanted to make sure it wasn't taken as me saying there isn't anything to be found, I didn't mean that. Was just relaying my adventures.

Good luck on the quest!!

Best,
Lester

 

[Mustafunk]

There is definitely a wide variety of cannabanoids in African genetics and it is certainly worth exploring.

Actually there isn't such diversity of cannabinoids in the different landraces worldwide. In fact as many researchers pointed, there is certainly a small variation between the cannabinoids that different strains and plants contain. It's mostly THC and sometimes CBD too. The rest it's just traces in such small amounts that they most likely don't have anything to do with the differents effects from them.

It's the enormous diversity of terpenes and maybe also other substances what really gives the character to strains. I'm not sure if all the Flavonoids and the rest of the diverse substances contained in cannabis may also affect the high like terpenes do. But it's definitely all about the Entourage Effect studied by Ethan Russo. And how the terpenes modify the THC/CBD psicoactive effects. Also the terpenes have their very own effect by themselves. Aromatherapy is based on this.

Otherwise, how every plant is so different in terms of high when most of them have very similar cannabinoid ratios and contents?

Vibes!

 

[redfrogs]

[FONT=&quot]ahortator, thank you very much. Your information has helped me make informed choices. I know what I must do. In this case, perhaps it is better to work the line and have a separate line with open pollination. This will not be easy for me or my cats to achieve but I shall try.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Yet, scrubdog says he wants to take a 75% sativa and cross it to a landrace.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I was considering a 90% sativa for outcrossing. Maybe if sativa content in the resulting hybrid is higher than 90% or more, the hybrid could show mostly super sativa phenotypes? I will keep this in mind and remember to have another pure sativa handy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“grabbing a speeding train and hanging on for dear life as it dumped you down a worm hole into Alice in Wonderland's reality.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Satva, nice. That is the wispy destroyer. If I’m not wrong Hmong Thai is the same as meao thai? Hmong = miow peoples? But shall check it out thanks for the tip.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Dogstar, I have not found thais that are mad euphoric in SEA thai (yet). I have seen then come from “thai” dominant hazes from outside SEA. Try mexis, Satva is right about trying the HG x BBS too; it would be quite similar.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Lester Beans[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I’ve not tried many African. But, I have mate who went on a year’s trip to the African continent. He is from adam, thus familiar with dutch stuff. I also smoked him up with hazes, malawis and others so he has a good knowledge of what I want. After a year of travelling from South Africa to Morocco and everywhere in between, he brought back only swazi. I asked why only swazi? No Malawi cob? No Moroccan? He said not to bother with anything else and that I just had to try it. Haven’t tried it yet, it’s on my to-do list. Would love to try angola red too. I would akin VB more as to MD/ADD pills than LSD. Best stuff to work or explore on the woods on.
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[ahortator]

Hi Musta

How are you? I have read Sam Skunkman is working, or at least he has worked about the subject. I think he said that smoking pure THC alone is not so great as most peple could think. The terpenes are extremely important to impart the character of the high.

Hi Redfrogs

Thanks to you. I am only a newly begginer about Thai. I only repeat as a parrot, what I have read from people I think has a very deep knowledge and expereince with them. Like Don, Bushweed, Kangativa, Scrubdog,...

For what I have read from Scrubdog I think he wants a pure 100% Thai sativa he saw in the 70's, he haven't seen since then.

scrubdog
Hi Deran

I've been chasing Dalat for years but all the breeders reckon it is extinct. From memory wasn't it a Vietnam or Cambodian strain some French guy was growing up the Mekong?

I've only ever seen two pix of it and they didn't do it justice because they were under lights and meant to be the very last of the strain then shortly after they got wiped out.

Heard they grow like bamboo which is exactly what a real tropical sativa should grow like. It had to come from somewhere and it is prob still in the hills of SE Asia somewhere?

There used to be old photos on the net but I haven't seen them for years... of soldiers under USA DEA guidance chopping down massive plantations of huge dope trees in Asia and Africa. They looked like bamboo groves.

There also used to be a book called "Weed" (long out of print) about the Mexican cannabis trade. It had photos of valleys miles long just covered in huge cannabis plants as far as the eye could see and photos of baling equipment. They used to make the buds into huge compressed bales bigger than a hay bale.

Not many people these days realise that the original cannabis trade was all pure sativas and Afghani and Paki was looked at with disdain because it shut you down instead of lifting you up. It was the greedy drug cartels moving all the colombian weed that hit on the idea of crossing Affy with Thai so they could get two crops out of a tropical season instead of one.

I smile when I see all these seed breeders claiming recognition as the first to cross a indica and a sativa.... or whatever. It was the big drug cartels that did it first and they were the ones that muddied all the pure landrace genetics.

As for Haze. It was everywhere and there was many genuine variations. The Haze brothers used to cross in a new sativa line every season and then the line would filter through the seed banks. Once upon a time you could buy Haze #1 through Haze #9 and about the only thing they had in common was that they used to grow big and fast and wild and scary.

Most of the Haze lines were completely wrecked by the Dutch when they decided to try and grow a 20 foot pure sativa crossbreed under lights. Yeah whatever. So they selected all the short faster flowering and spindly Haze plants for years and kept dumping out the killer tropical genetics.

The reason I've never grown Neville Haze is because it has NL5 in it and to me that's like WTF??? The whole point of Haze is that it was a long flowering loose budded killer sativa tree. I'm a breeder and I know how damn hard it is to get rid of genetics once they're in a line.

You can say it's only 25% but I hear people going "I selected the NL5 pheno" or "one pheno was really NL5." Okay that's not Haze and neither is any of these spindly plants other breeders are calling Haze. I remember when the Haze lines suddenly went from wild trees to "delicate plants" and I always wondered what the hell happened?

Only Kerala could be called "delicate" and it still grows like stink and can form a trunk. So I'm not really sure what happened. One day there was Haze everywhere and everybody was sick of it and NH was just the new kid on the block. Then suddenly there was no more Haze and NH became the standard. I remember it well.

There's no reason at all why some breeder can't just copy the Haze brothers and build a better pure Haze. I've been trying to do it for years but after five busts and losing all my genetics each time I'm sick of it. My approach was to track down landrace sativas and start crossing the best of them. It's not rocket science but it is hard work.

Neville's Haze is probably as good as it gets in terms of cutting down flowering time while retaining most of the desirable Haze attributes. My personal preference as a breeder though is to not have any indica at all in a line if I can help it. You can get recessive mould genes coming back to bite you and get recessive CBD/CBN spikes later in the line plus shortness genes.

Just my personal preference. I was going to do a NH run but I'm starting to have second thoughts.

I may just go for a malawi X Thai82 X Highland Lao if I can find somewhere safe to do the cross. Don't get me wrong, I totally respect Neville as a breeder in every possible way but as a plant breeder myself I'm reluctant to add somebody else's creation to my mix. It's hard to take credit for a strain if the building block is somebody else's strain that you've pinched and are taking credit for.

Hence my preference for landrace sativas that nobody owns the intellectual property of.


scrubdog

scrubdog

REFERENCE: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

This is prob my all time fav thread on weed growing. I'm 50 plus and been trying to preserve Haze lines, increase potency in Haze etc... on my own for more years than I can remember.

Busted five times and lost all my genetics five times (as in ALL seed taken by cops). Recently lost everything again (10,000 plus sativa/haze seeds as recorded by the court) in another bust and can't be bothered tracking down all those rare genetics from all over the world anymore. Too old and tired.

I haven't tried Nev Haze though it will probably be my next grow. I was around when Nev made it and didn't want to grow somebody else's creation when all the building blocks were still around. Unfortunately all the building block Haze lines seem dead and buried and only Nev Haze remains.

So putting NH aside... the best weed I've ever smoked bar none was Mr Asia Thai Sticks and best plants I've ever seen were Queensland Thai from same period. In thirty-five years I've never seen anything else like those Queensland plants and I've grown a lot of landrace sativas that hit twenty feet high plus. Back then some nutter in Queensland was growing ACRES of these Thai trees until he got busted.

Those Queensland plants were what turned me on to sativas but I've never seen that strain again. Biggest leaves, fastest growth... just absolutely insane. Biggest seeds I've ever seen by miles. In my ignorance I thought all sativas were like that but never seen one again.

I started chasing Haze plants to look for the Thai strains (either Mr Asia Thai or Queensland Thai) but instead of finding giant trees I kept finding these horrible spindly plants that the Dutch were calling haze plants. WTF!!!!

Over the years I've become more and more disillusioned with the weed scene worldwide. Mexico used to grow square miles of sativa trees. I've seen photos of a 25ft pure Mexican sativa that yielded 15 pound of bud. That isn't unique okay. Mexican pot was all huge trees once and so was Colombian... but Thai was even bigger and more potent.

Where have all these strains gone? I haven't smoked a real trippy sativa for years... at least not what i call trippy. I haven't seen a real Thai tree for twenty years. I've seen huge Thai bushes and I've grown sativas that stretched over twenty feet but they weren't the trees I was looking for. The structure was all wrong.

So I'm sick of trying to recreate from scratch with continual back crossing and working with huge plant numbers (try explaining breeding algorithms to the police) that put me in prison. Prison sucks.

I'm just going to cheat and grow some Neville's haze outdoors and cross it with the few pure sativas I have left (seeds rescued off the floor that had rolled under the fridge) after my last bust.

I agree with Neville... the holy Grail is out there somewhere still and I think it's a huge Thai.... which is what I've always thought.

For the record... the GIANT queensland Thais I saw (and grew a couple myself) looked nothing like any of the Thais I've seen. They looked more like some nepalese or Himalayan plants in structure but even bigger and faster with massive drooping lime green leaves with very pronounced serrations and they quickly develop a trunk rather than a stem and have a very "open" and loose structure compared to the bushy Thais I've seen.

If anybody has this strain please PM me immediately

scrubdog

I think when he says Nepalese or Himalayan structure, he talks about somethinhg in this way.

Perhaps you can find something like that among your seeds

Greetings

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day AH

I like Scrub Dogs writing .
Not impressed with his actual grow skills . Followed his grow log last season .

Talks a good game ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ahortator]

Hi Elmer

I agree with you. But growing Thais at 52ºS must be a difficult task. I have seen pics of his plants covered with snow and destroyed by mold.

Once someone has seen Kanga or Busweed growing skills, it's very difficult to get impressed

Anyway I get impressed very easily

Greetings.