Test grow: C5 x KC, HPH x KC, NH x Pan, Zam x Pan + Thai chi

[deepwaterdude]

Awesome flowers, man, and sounds like some killer terps! Excellent grow.

 

[dubi]

Beautiful MountainKush Enjoying a lot her following your progress. They all look fantastic.

The Nevil's Haze x Panama and Zamaldelica x Panama still need a bit more of time, but the C5 x KC and HPH x KC indee look like will finish soon. Hope you are also enjoying there

 

[Mountainkush]

Awesome flowers, man, and sounds like some killer terps! Excellent grow.

Thanks Dude,
It’s been terpene overload when I open the tent lately. Can’t wait to see what the Nhxpan is smelling like. Should be able to move it up closer now that my snowmoon, bubba x pck and bubbahash are finished.
The ZamxPan smells good enough the eat!

 

[Mountainkush]

Beautiful MountainKush Enjoying a lot her following your progress. They all look fantastic.

The Nevil's Haze x Panama and Zamaldelica x Panama still need a bit more of time, but the C5 x KC and HPH x KC indee look like will finish soon. Hope you are also enjoying there

Thanks Dubi,
I’m definitely enjoying this round. It’s been pretty nice to have these mostly grow them selves and me sit back and watch.

Been a busy summer with family and traveling around now that things have opened up but thankfully most of them did well without me. Was worried a timer or pump might break while I was gone.

The HphxKc has been a bit tricky to tell when to stop feeding. It just keeps putting out new pistils a few at a time building some nice foxtails but did look to be slowing down a bit last night. I’ll just have to keep a close eye on her.

 

[Mountainkush]

Little update at 9 weeks

My ZamxPan seems like it might go the longest of the bunch and it still mostly white pistils from top to bottom but a few have started turning brown. Gonna be interesting to see the shape these buds take on when it starts reflowering and putting in weight. Still smells like candy!

The Nevils haze x Panama is starting to thicken up and I can’t figure out a way to describe the terps on this one. Smells good anyway.

Hard to get good pics of the Hashplant haze x Kalichina but all the foxtails and flowering out the sides and taking on some wild shapes. Gonna be interesting to see the final shape of these colas too.

 

[dubi]

Those colas are getting superb MountainKush They are responding very well to the feeding and conditions in their late flowering

 

[Mountainkush]

Thanks Dubi. I wish I could of kept the environment a bit cooler for them but my new air conditioner broke and I wasn’t able to get a decent replacement.
Most plants have done ok but I lost the Nevils haze x Panama to some bud rot. Found a couple spots really early and removed the plant to hopefully save the rest and haven’t seen any signs on the rest.
I saved a couple buds that looked clean to try but it wasn’t nearly done yet. It does smell really good though so may run the clone.

 

[Mountainkush]

Just shy of 11 weeks when I took these pics.
Zamaldelica x Panama
Smells like sweet candy with some ripe fruity notes. This girl keeps exploding in every direction.

 

[Mountainkush]

Hashplant haze x Kalichina
Just shy of 11 weeks here as well and will be coming down soon.
This ones hard to get a good smell of. I get some fruity notes and a bit of the sour smell from the first one but not as pronounced. Last few pistils have been dying off and she’s on plain water.

One of the lowest buds

 

[Mountainkush]

I wanted to give a little update on these hybrids. I was sad when I had to toss the Nevils haze x Panama but did save a nice bud to try and was impressed with the smell, flavour and effect enough even at probably 3-4 weeks premature to keep the clone and try again after I’m able to get my environment fixed. Had a similar dreamy high compared to the first one so I’ll probably grow the two again side by side.
I need to find a way to better clean the air coming into the room and will be adding a mini split to better control temps and humidity.

This and my ZamxPan have been some incredible smoke for me and my wife these last 6 months and I’m hopeful the second ZamxPan will be just as good because I almost smoked it all and now ration it for special occasions.

The C5xKc improved a lot with a cure and no longer traps me in my head. Still can’t believe how much it tastes like marshmallows. Great daytime herb that tends to put you in just the right place mentally and relaxed but not sleepy with very little crash compared to HphxKc
The second one has a funky dark overripe fruit kind of smell and my first sample had me feeling like I’m a beginner even though I’ve been smoking for 24 years. I’ll update later after some cure time.

Which brings me to the Hashplant haze x Kalichina. What a day ender that one is. Very stoney buzz that great for relaxing at the end of the day but when it fades it leaves you feeling exhausted and ready for bed. Absolutely love the sour fruit candy terps. Reminds me of the compressed powder suckers or something like a candy necklace. Haven’t had a chance to try the second one yet but will soon as it’s dry now in jars.

 

[Mountainkush]

Just over 14 weeks and looks like it should be ready soon. My guess is 16 weeks and and I lowered the lights from 11/13 to 10/14 to help her finish. Found some early signs of bud rot in the biggest colas of this one too but since she’s alone I left the plant to see if the rest will be ok.
Fingers crossed
Some crazy foxtails on this one and smells sweet and fruity.

 

[dubi]

Hi MountainKush,

Cannot thank you enough for your interest in testing our latest hybrids, your feedback is much appreciated

Sorry to hear about the mold problems in some, those fat dense colas can be problematic indoors in summer time regarding mold without enough ventilation.
Nonetheless, the flowers on all the strains look fantastic

Glad you and your wife have enjoyed so much with Zamaldelica x Panama, i have received great feedback about this one from many growers and i'm seriously considering to release it at some point.
Eager to know your opinion about this second female.

The C5 Haze and HashPlant Haze mothers from Nevil are extremely heterozygous true F1 hybrids, so the outcome (even when crossed with a moderately inbred predictable strain like Kali China F4) are still quite variable, allowing huge genetic recombination. As a result, completely new terpene profiles and effects arise, not so obviously linked with the indica/Haze mums or with Kali China signature traits. I learnt this also in our tests with these 2 new hybrids, both are overall easier and faster to grow than straight C5 or HPH, but the hybrids still hold the huge size, yield and long flowering time of the Haze hybrids from Nevil, like a huge yielding 'sativied' Kali China on stereoids, or more accurately like a more friendly version to grow of the Haze hybrids, and with more refined terpenes. Due to the genetic recombination, there are many different expressions to be found, all of them with great quality, allowing quite divergent selections from the same batch of seeds, depending on grower's taste.

 

[Mountainkush]

Thanks Dubi
I had some issue with ventilation, funny you mentioned that. Was having a problem with one of my breakers tripping from an AC and forgot my extraction fan was on that same breaker and didn’t realize until I noticed the temp was 36°c in the tent, so they had no venting a few times for several hours at a time.
Sorry for the late reply, I wanted to smoke a little more before I answered. And then thing got really messed up with my current grow and I lost track of time. Almost tossed out the plants after something went wrong with my res and the plants almost died. That on top of loosing a lot of the mothers I was keeping took a tole on me. I’ll probably take a short break and start some new stuff in 2021. I just have to convince myself that it’s not that big a deal and shit happens.
I managed to save the ones in flower but still thinking I shouldn’t have bothered. They don’t look the prettiest anymore.

I really need to try a simple one or two plant grow next and make sure I have/make the time to take care of it properly. I’m getting sick of all the problems lately.

Anyway, enough complaining for today
The second ZamxPan turned out ok for taking it a little early and loosing the larger tops. It retained the candy sweet scent but I do notice a distinct Malawi taste in my vaporizer which I wasn’t expecting. Really tasty in a joint as well and has a similar effect to the first one. Great pick you up and get you moving herb with no heaviness and no really crash at the end. You just realize after a while that your not high anymore and another bag or two gets you right back where you were. I’m excited to try more seeds of these and to dig into the PanxZam cross as well.

Can’t wait to see what else I can find in those Kali crosses as well. The second C5xKc I grew was amazing and makes me sad to not have a clone anymore. The rich fruity flavour and smell are like nothing I’ve ever had and it’s got a real kick to it. Gets me stoned like I was a kid again.
I did manage to save a clone from the first HPHXKC which is awesome and hope to grow that one again soon.

 

[Yo Sammy]

Thanks Dubi
I had some issue with ventilation, funny you mentioned that. Was having a problem with one of my breakers tripping from an AC and forgot my extraction fan was on that same breaker and didn’t realize until I noticed the temp was 36°c in the tent, so they had no venting a few times for several hours at a time.
Sorry for the late reply, I wanted to smoke a little more before I answered. And then thing got really messed up with my current grow and I lost track of time. Almost tossed out the plants after something went wrong with my res and the plants almost died. That on top of loosing a lot of the mothers I was keeping took a tole on me. I’ll probably take a short break and start some new stuff in 2021. I just have to convince myself that it’s not that big a deal and shit happens.
I managed to save the ones in flower but still thinking I shouldn’t have bothered. They don’t look the prettiest anymore.

I really need to try a simple one or two plant grow next and make sure I have/make the time to take care of it properly. I’m getting sick of all the problems lately.

Anyway, enough complaining for today
The second ZamxPan turned out ok for taking it a little early and loosing the larger tops. It retained the candy sweet scent but I do notice a distinct Malawi taste in my vaporizer which I wasn’t expecting. Really tasty in a joint as well and has a similar effect to the first one. Great pick you up and get you moving herb with no heaviness and no really crash at the end. You just realize after a while that your not high anymore and another bag or two gets you right back where you were. I’m excited to try more seeds of these and to dig into the PanxZam cross as well.

Can’t wait to see what else I can find in those Kali crosses as well. The second C5xKc I grew was amazing and makes me sad to not have a clone anymore. The rich fruity flavour and smell are like nothing I’ve ever had and it’s got a real kick to it. Gets me stoned like I was a kid again.
I did manage to save a clone from the first HPHXKC which is awesome and hope to grow that one again soon.

Hi man,
Having tec issues can be a hastle to deal with to say the least.
Hope all will be resolved next run.
Happy to read yr take on C5/KC & HPH/KC.
Cheers for this, good luck next round!

 

[Mountainkush]

Hi man,
Having tec issues can be a hastle to deal with to say the least.
Hope all will be resolved next run.
Happy to read yr take on C5/KC & HPH/KC.
Cheers for this, good luck next round!

Thanks Sammy
I’m hopeful for the next round. Was having trouble getting used to new leds after only growing under Hps since I started and that caused some issues; so I was playing with there feed and something went wrong in my reservoir. It’s amazing how fast things can go wrong when your multi feeding in coco and not paying enough attention.

Wanted to thank you again for saving these clones and sharing them with Ace. I’ve enjoyed all the seeds I started from the hybrids so far and even the Nhxpan I tossed that got moldy was amazing at only 10 weeks from the small sample I tried.
Not popping any more of those seeds until I get things more under control.

Still can’t get over the resin from the first Nevils haze x Panama I grew. When you put it through a grinder and dump it in a pile, it looks more like a pile of kief than ground up bud.

 

[dubi]

Sorry to hear about the loss of some mothers MountainKush. Don't worry, please take all the time you need to reply, no rush, we are here to enjoy, and please don't be too hard to yourself, it takes a few cycles (sometimes years) to understand how a specific plant/genotype works best (some growers never try enough to get the best from genetics), and your latest updates on the threads look great, really great yields and very nice developed flowers, plants don't need to look perfectly healthy during second half of flowering like wearing for a VIP party. Growing is like life itself, a never ending learning process. There's always room to improve and to reach new places.

The second Zamaldelica x Panama sounds promising. So glad you are enjoying so much with the new HPH x KC and C5 Haze x KC hybrids!

 

[Mountainkush]

Thanks Dubi
I know I need to stop being so hard on myself. My wife tells me that all the time.

I’m still hopeful I can save a few of the mothers to grow again. They are currently in quarantine while I try to clone away a thrip invasion. Amazing they never found a way into my flower tent by the time I realized what was happening.

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, I’m using this as a lesson and will improve my setup and move on.
Big lessons learned this round was the need to monitor my reservoir and plants at least once daily. Especially the res!
And that I’m trying to do too much at once. But I learned that a long time ago and still make that mistake over and over again. I just get so excited to pop seeds

 

[dubi]

I think we all suffer a bit from 'seed hoarder' symptoms here in the forums

I always have also preferred to grow a good variety of genetics in the same room (despite the challenge it is) rather than make a monogrow with a single strain.
Life is too short for all the fine cannabis we want to experience!

 

[Mountainkush]

I think we all suffer a bit from 'seed hoarder' symptoms here in the forums

I always have also preferred to grow a good variety of genetics in the same room (despite the challenge it is) rather than make a monogrow with a single strain.
Life is too short for all the fine cannabis we want to experience!

You are absolutely right my friend and I can wait to get back to popping seeds again. I had to shut down for a little bit and I’m doing another test run with just a couple plants to get more used to these leds.

couldn’t help but grow another Zamaldelica x Panama.
she’s about 3 weeks 12/12 so far and starting to flower.

 

[Mountainkush]

zamaldelica x panama

about 5 weeks 12/12 here
had some feeding problems but doing ok. Getting some lemon and vanilla so far