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Terra Preta - Dark Soil - Experiment

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umbralindigo

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First line from the chapter entitled Zeolite Rock Powders , in Harvey Lisle's "The Enlivened Rock Powders"- "Zeolite rock powders ARE paramagnetic in nature. Although they are not clays, they act in a manner similar the clays.".

Thought I should correct myself after I re looked it up. It seems like a valuable resource.
 
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Microbeman, cool website. I have been cloudy on this entire concept since day one, I still do not understand molecular science very well, it's kind of like math for me, it just eludes me. It seems to me that the second quote from Phil Callahan "lines up" with the boundless.com definition.

How would you comprehend this "paramagnetism" in terms of plant growth and soil? As I said, i understand it as the soil harness' the (cosmic magnetic) energy and the weakly diamagnetic charged plants gain energy from the soil in this way. I realize that the idea of "cosmic magnetism" might not be accepted within those terms. Nonetheless I know that it is a reality, and why wouldn't it be common place for us to make addition to our soil to harness these forces at hand? If by building your soil with rock you gain mineral density and cosmic influence, I say fuckin eh lets do it.

I think for me as xmobotx says, "if it makes you feel good about your garden...". And since we are what we smoke/eat/imbibe, I want to be highly mineralized and cosmically influenced as well.
 
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I would have to say that if you feel good about it and it does no harm then do it. From a scientific perspective, I've yet to see supportive data....not that it does not exist....just have not seen it.
 
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something like zeolite brings more to the table than paramagnetism. it has high CEC and provides trace elements. as a texture amendment, it is likely good for the tilth. if it brings paramagnetic to the party, that's kind of like icing on the cake.

so, in that sense, i really mirror MM's sentiment. further, I wouldn't say paramagnetics is not a factor or even important. I just don;t know & can neither embrace nor discard the subject. in fact, i wonder if it isn't somehow part of a scientific explanation for something like water-witching ~which i don;t see as being "magic"

I'm probably going to try some zeolite & the paramagnetic factor is no small part of that choice. nonetheless, I'm not likely to make claims or credit paramagnetics if the zeolite represents any improvement.
 
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I am assuming you already know this, but I still throw it out there..
Paste from wiki..
"In agriculture, clinoptilolite (a naturally occurring zeolite) is used as a soil treatment. It provides a source of slowly released potassium. If previously loaded with ammonium, the zeolite can serve a similar function in the slow release of nitrogen. Zeolites can also act as water moderators, in which they will absorb up to 55% of their weight in water and slowly release it under the plant's demand. This property can prevent root rot and moderate drought cycles."

Do you have a good source for this type of zeolites??

All the best
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h.h.

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Wouldn't paramegnetism simply describe the energies exuded during normal nutrient cycling? Cosmo linear energy in every handful of good compost?
 
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Microbeman said:
Pardon? Can you break that down for us slow guys?:)
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Isn't it simply an exchange of ions? Energy is energy. Copper is paramagnetic.
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Doesn't that already happen in the nutrition cycle? Energy transformed, aligned, and released at the atomic level?

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Cosmo linear energy in every handful of good compost?
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This is what I'm saying. Paramagnetic being the soil and foundational minerals sucking in the cosmic magnetism.

Apparently, Ireland is very cosmically "in-tune", through its mineral and soil make up and also the gardeners that built towers large and conical to bring in this energy.
 
Gelado`

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Well that settles it, I'm going to incorporate zeolite into my mixes and grow in pyramid-shaped grow tents.
 
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Team.Lift said:
This is what I'm saying. Paramagnetic being the soil and foundational minerals sucking in the cosmic magnetism.

Apparently, Ireland is very cosmically "in-tune", through its mineral and soil make up and also the gardeners that built towers large and conical to bring in this energy.
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"Sucking in" or radiating out or both? Cosmo linear energy. In sync with the universe. All based on the cosmos below our feet.

Cosmolinear energy through the passage of time, makes me do what I do and really fucks with my mind.
 
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Cosmic is, AFAIK, related to space outside of the earth unless qualified, e.g. 'microcosmic'
'cosmetic' hehe. May the force be with you Gelado!
 
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h.h., I do believe diamagnetic would be an opposing force, and as I tried to illustrate my thought pattern on it, the plants act as a diamagnetic force. The cosmos act as a diamagnetic force and the soil (minerals specifically) are the paramagnetic component.

So, "sucking in" may not be eloquent, but that is what I think these teachers are trying to describe.

I think it's ultimately humorous when people immediately jump on these bandwagons, you know, with anything that sounds a little preposterous; paramagnetism, biodynamic practice ...what else?

What is even funnier is when people disregard these same things with human egotism.

Many things are "far out", but a facet of the gardening culture it will remain, and especially with cannabis.
 
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Shit, I still cant edit, this is getting ridiculous.

I meant to add, the plants have such a low energy magnetism (diamagnetic) that the magnetism carried from the cosmos and stored in the mineral content (paramagnetic) actually then overrides the plants force and feeds into the plants vital life.
 
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' Le germe n'est rien, c'est le terrain qui est tout.'
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quote=Microbeman;6223215]Cosmic is, AFAIK, related to space outside of the earth unless qualified, e.g. 'microcosmic'
'cosmetic' hehe. May the force be with you Gelado![/quote]
Yes that would be the terran way of looking at things.

Team.Lift said:
h.h., I do believe diamagnetic would be an opposing force, and as I tried to illustrate my thought pattern on it, the plants act as a diamagnetic force. The cosmos act as a diamagnetic force and the soil (minerals specifically) are the paramagnetic component.

So, "sucking in" may not be eloquent, but that is what I think these teachers are trying to describe.

I think it's ultimately humorous when people immediately jump on these bandwagons, you know, with anything that sounds a little preposterous; paramagnetism, biodynamic practice ...what else?

What is even funnier is when people disregard these same things with human egotism.

Many things are "far out", but a facet of the gardening culture it will remain, and especially with cannabis.
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Then perhaps they are so normal that we don't see them. All things are balanced. It's only when we interrupt that balance that we start to notice it.
I guess I was somewhat wrong about copper being paramagnetic. At the atomic level, it does have an unpaired electron. At the molecular level it's diamagnetic properties take hold. At least according to Google.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/59248/why-is-copper-diamagnetic
http://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MagneticType.html
This gets back to my original thinking. Using updated earthling terminology, I refer back to the microcosmos. The energy exchange in a handful of good living soil is in balance with the cosmos already. All things being one.

Here's some more reading.
http://www3.bell.net/soilfertility/index.html
 
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