Tell me whats wrong with my cloner-thingy!

[thegrower]

ok based on people comments here are the changes im making:

1. Refilling water basin with warmer water

2. replaced the 2 100watt cfls with 1 14w cfl, and placed the cuttings in indirect light...

3. cut holes in lid a bit larger


Should i cut any fanleaves off? Do these cuttings still have a chance or should i get more?

 

[visualsensation]

I would get more cuttings first. That way you will know first hand if your changes worked for you.
Second, Yes cut off some fan leaves (your cuttings are quite large compared to what I take now) And cut whats left back a bit

It is not just filling the basin with warmer water, you have to keep it warm and ensure it does not get too hot.

smaller lights for sure.

I have FINALLY got the cloning thing down after trying and spending on many versions.
I have limited space so that was a challenge as well.

Humidity works. Daily misting in the beginning helps. Rooting gel may stay longer than a powder when submerged in water.

100% success this time around on 14 cuts form three strains.

 

[pico]

Yeah that is way more leaf material than I like for clones. I usually just have the top set of leaves and if they are big I cut the tips of the leaves off.

Were these plants in early flowering or something?

I agree with everyone else that you are using too much light.

 

[Guest]

Good stuff Rosy.Another thing I like to do that probably isnt necessary but I do it anyway lol is to give the donor plant a good shot of bloom fert the day before or several hours before taking cuts.I didnt do this my first several times but when I started on the advice of an oger my cuts seemed to be healthier when they rooted.Then one day I noticed the NPK on my Olivia's cloning solution and gel and the phosphorous doubles the nitrogen and potassium.This seemed to verify for me the importance of phosphorous for rooting healthy cuts

 

[aeric]

ok based on people comments here are the changes im making:

1. Refilling water basin with warmer water

no need, the point was to use a heater, only if ur water is cold

2. replaced the 2 100watt cfls with 1 14w cfl, and placed the cuttings in indirect light...

like someone said you could simply raise the lights, I would keep on one of the 100w and keep it 18-24 inches away, at an angle somewhere else in the box/are where it isn't directly above, but if not able to do that then yeah, use the smaller cfl and keep it 8-10 inches away.

3. cut holes in lid a bit larger

why?

Should i cut any fanleaves off? Do these cuttings still have a chance or should i get more?

They should almost be rooted really. I would cut the lowest fanleaves off of that one on the left, but because it a bubble cloner it's not mandatory. I would do new clones if they die at the growing tip, or get soft mushy or brown stems. Good luck, you'll get 'er done.

 

[Guest]

no one ever gives credit to this, let alone mention it, so i will......


leaving your stems submerged in water is going to slow the rooting process. your stems should be kept just above the water level. in a bubble cloner the water should be highly aerated; enough so the splash created by the bubbles keeps the entire chamber wet. this gives the cuttings moisture they need, and keeps the stem in an oxygen saturated environment. oxygen is very important to roots, please remember this.

honestly, rockwool and other methods of cloning are a joke compared to a properly maintained bubble cloner.

 

[aeric]

Indeed they are UN and good point about the stems being above, forgot that one...

 

[Guest]

i should add that ^those^ spent under a week in the cloner. roots pop by day 3. ready to plant by day 6.

 

[thegrower]

ok new plan:

humidity dome, heating matt, 2 more airstones, new clippings, and stem about 1/2" above the water... pics tonight!

 

[Guest]

good luck man!, once it's dialed you won't look back

 

[mtnjohn]

i should add that ^those^ spent under a week in the cloner. roots pop by day 3. ready to plant by day 6.

thats a fast rooting strain obviously..my fastest strain is a regular 4 day
poppin' roots. with most doing about 6-7 days

i disagree on the 1/2 above the water thing...that may work just fine if you have 100% even spray coverage . but those corners are hard to get to

i have tried both ways and stand by the submersing of the cuts
otherwise i agree totally ...nothing can beat a good bubbler

just my experience...and we all have our own methods
i suggest you experiment to find the best for you

mj

 

[thegrower]

ok here is the new setup with no humifdity dome.. do i NEED one? is it really that helpful?


did someone say aeration?


gonna let it run overnight to get up to temp [its heated now] and see what it plateaus at, then taking clippings and putting them in tomorrow

 

[mtnjohn]

no...you dont ...i dont ..never have

....looks good bro

do you have one a them little floating thermometers for the water temp
and a timer for the heater?
mj

 

[thegrower]

yeah i got a thermometer that sticks to the side of the basin know what i mean? as for the timer, not yet, i have a mini-heater so i wanna see how hot it gets running constant before i get a timer... im gonna let it run overnight and see how hot it gets before i put any cuttings in- if it gets too hot ill get a timer...

What temp am i aiming for? 85F?

 

[mtnjohn]

78 is about perfect..i usually try to keep mine at 78...but it can vary a little
mind you these are optimum temps...above or below optimum may or may not work
shoot for 76-82F and they should root

yea ..you could see what the temps are gonna be....many times in the winter i can keep my little heater on 24/7 and temps are good.....

mj

 

[Guest]

yes mtnjohn you do need a highly aerated reservoir like i said. my experience has shown me stronger and more roots appear faster when the stems are in a faux aero environment.

the way i see it, if it's making roots it's doing the job and it looks like we can chalk up one more for team bubble clone! looks good grower

a dome does help if you live in a dry area. some strains like to wilt if they don't get the dome for the first day or two....not likely that it will kill the cut but may slow it down.

lots of factors involved as you can see.

i hope we've helped once you get a few rooted you'll be able to clone anything!!