Super Silver Haze Phenotype ID from Seedlings

[rrog]

I'm starting a SSH grow soon, and now find there are more desirable phenos than others. From reading, the basic phenotypes are broken down primarily by leaf type (narrow Sativa or wider Indica), internodal length, and smell.

I'm desperate to avoid a pheno that might create anxiety / paranoia, and that seems to be found with the heavy Sativa phenos.

I'm raising 9 seedlings to two weeks, and picking the three I want to bring to flower.

So as a first filter I would likely cull any obvious narrow leaf plants during veg.

Internode is tough to assess with 2 week old seedlings, so I'm wondering if the smell may be apparent this early.

Seems the process for me should be to look at wide leaf seedlings that may smell spicy / pleasant. These wide leaf phenos seem to either smell skunky / rotten fruity or the most desirable church incense. I'm hoping that rubbing the stem / stalk of these little plants might reveal the smell to help me decide what to cull.

I really don't have the time or space to grow big sativas that will take 12 weeks to finish and only make me racey / paranoid.

Anyone have an opinion if these characteristic pheno smells are evident that young?

Thanks for any help.

 

[Iron_Lion]

I wouldnt worry too much about paranoia. I've smoked the longest flowering pheno of SSH and its surprisingly chilled out and relaxing high. Not quite what I was expecting from plant that took 20 weeks to finish, but then again my 22 week Original Haze x Skunk was pretty chill and relaxing too. To be honest I've grown and smoked quite a few hazes and the only one that bugged me out was Neville's Haze x Mango, and that finished 14 weeks from seed and 11 from clone, go figure.

The thing that sucks about SSH is it is not the choice hybrid for growers with limited space and time, since there is such high variation in the line. I personally wouldnt cull anything because you could possibly be throwing out the best smoke of your life. Sometimes those really thin leafed plants can surprise you and finish in 12-14 weeks, but then again there can be a freak in the mix that goes 16-20+. There is a really good thread in the Mr Nice vendor forum that has many many pics of SSH pheno's.

Here is a few good threads, also check out the Mr Nice vendor forum for more.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=103435

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=131218

 

[WelderDan]

^^^^

I'd clone 'em all, flower out the moms and keep the clone you prefer after smoke testing all of them. Then cull (or trade) the cuts you don't like.

Just don't imbibe too heavily on the ones that you find that wig you out. Or trade it, gift it or sell it.

 

[rrog]

Thank you both so very much. I have an active thread over on MNS forum. That was a great idea Lion.

I hear ya on the sat pheno being safe, but I'm really sensitive and also don't want the 12 week risk. I'm perfectly happy pursuing the Indica dominant ones.

My big question is can you smell a difference with the little seedlings?

 

[Critter]

Catpiss pheno is what I wanna look for in ssh. Not racey high at all a real joy to grow too. Wonder how many packs it takes to find it and I even wonder if its accessible with todays offerings. Dont think seedlings will show you much except in certain cases. Maybe possible with ssh and all the doc grow reports. Mns is the right place to be looking for sure.

 

[Mr.Gr33n]

id doubt at 2 weeks growth you will be able to tell from the smell,
i have the sorta problem as you ''paranoia''

Hence i stick to indica dom plant's only, Anything from the white family works great for me

 

[rrog]

Catpiss and lemon phenos seem rare from the grow reports I've read. The seeds are from Mr Nice Seed which came extremely highly recommended. We'll see.

So Mr. G you don't think they'll be much smell as a clue that young. That's not surprising. I'll likely notice a difference in the leaves so I'll select for the wider indica dom pheno.

Thanks very much to all. This really helps a great deal.

 

[Mr.Gr33n]

wider leaves would be a much better indicator than smell,
esp on such young plants my friend.

4-5 weeks old when the fan leaves are 28cm long,
There will be no doubt to the indica dom question,

Hope you get the pheno you are after Rrog.

 

[rrog]

Thanks Mr. G It seems most can see a big difference in the leaves very early on. I can't go 4-5 weeks in veg since my grow will be Scrog. I just can't let them get that big.

 

[Mr.Gr33n]

ahh i get ya my friend,
I though scrog was to veg for an extra length of time + train?

Im now converted to a SoG grower since im in a limited space,
But i know how ya feel about the pheno selection,


And indeed, i wish ya the best of luck Rrog!

 

[rrog]

I'm height limited to 5 feet from the floor, and within that I have my 600W HPS. Also these are growing in 5 gal soil pails so that takes away more.

So this height limit is my fear. Otherwise I'd veg for 4 weeks. Maybe that's not necessary. I'd for sure veg longer if the phenos showed more, but I don't think they will.

Thanks for the kind words.

I'm not looking for huge yield as this is simply for personal stash.

 

[silverhazefiend]

i have a dinafem ssh ..about 3 wks old ..at 2 wks she havd a skunky smell ..with thinner leaves ..the smell is spicy now with a lil skunk ..i put it in flower at about 10-12 inches ..showed hairs in 2 days ..didnt even root in the new pot b4 it statred showing hairs ..im at 4 or 5 days 12/12 so ill see how much it stretchs ..I want a pheno that taste like the one i had 6 yrs ago ..

Im thinking about growing sensi silver haze and silver haze 9 or w.e they call it ...Is it any good?

 

[Iron_Lion]

rrog, I took some pics today of my current SSH, maybe they can help you with your identification. I run a set up very similar to yours.

660W Hps, 2 week veg, day 63 12/12

 

[rrog]

i have a dinafem ssh ..about 3 wks old ..at 2 wks she havd a skunky smell ..with thinner leaves ..the smell is spicy now with a lil skunk ..i put it in flower at about 10-12 inches ..showed hairs in 2 days ..didnt even root in the new pot b4 it statred showing hairs ..im at 4 or 5 days 12/12 so ill see how much it stretchs ..I want a pheno that taste like the one i had 6 yrs ago ..

Im thinking about growing sensi silver haze and silver haze 9 or w.e they call it ...Is it any good?

Love your name. Thank you for that observation. So you were sniffin' these after two weeks? Interesting... Does she smell like that pheno from 6 years ago?

Your plant wanted flowers bad, sounds like.

I'm not sure on the sensi SH / Haze9 etc. Sorry.

rrog, I took some pics today of my current SSH, maybe they can help you with your identification. I run a set up very similar to yours.

660W Hps, 2 week veg, day 63 12/12

WOW. That is a ton of fine looking bud coming along. Those leaves are giant. So have you smoked that pheno before? That a clone?

Thanks for taking the time to post those. Cool of you.

Man, I'm reconsidering cloning. Keeping the seed mothers but I'm just not set up for that kind of operation... but man, to let a prize pheno go. Hmmm

 

[Iron_Lion]

WOW. That is a ton of fine looking bud coming along. Those leaves are giant. So have you smoked that pheno before? That a clone?

Thanks for taking the time to post those. Cool of you.

Man, I'm reconsidering cloning. Keeping the seed mothers but I'm just not set up for that kind of operation... but man, to let a prize pheno go. Hmmm

That plant is from seed and she has really grown huge. Some of the best yielding plants I have ever run have been hazes. The yield kind of makes up for the longer flowering time. No matter what pheno you end up with Im sure you wont be disappointed.

 

[rrog]

No matter what pheno you end up with Im sure you wont be disappointed.

I hope / wish that's the case. I'm pretty susceptible to paranoia and so the heavy Sativa dom scares me. I've read a few grow reports describing this. I'll have 9 seedlings and only will finish three, so I would cull the sat doms and stick with mix and indica doms.

 

[alwaystoned_1]

heres a pic of my 8 week pheno of ssh think this pheno is the one your after i popped 40 seeds to find her

 

[rrog]

AlwaysStoned 1 thanks very much for that. So we have an indica dom strain there. Looks excellent by the way. You feel this is the church smell pheno?

 

[alwaystoned_1]

no its smells a bit like cat piss

 

[DocLeaf]

Anyone have an opinion if these characteristic pheno smells are evident that young?

Thanks for any help.

Generally speaking the seedlings with prominent pointed leaves turn into the sativa types,, while the wider (spaded) leafs are more usually NL/Skunk dom. when mature.

We witnessed x9 variations in the F1 from a batch of seed plants we were once asked to clone. This ranged from squat indica to giant sativas. The resulting F2 seed grow quite homogeneous in each (#) batches since the male used was a nice one.

This batch of SSH F2 #3 or #4 (NL dom type) were force-flowered in spring outdoors..

Hope this helps