Successfully cloned a AF

[asstastic]

About 5 yrs ago i did testing on cold conditions and the effects on the AF trigger. HBnet had a shit load of info me and others put on that site,, to bad it is gone now.

Cloning AFs is really all pointless, as it is VERY hard to completely stop the flowering process once it is started. Cold TEMPS 55 degrees F or less at all times slows the trigger of Auto-Flowering, this was proven in 2 different test using a control that was grown from the same AF seed stock and normal temps of no more then 79 degrees at all times.


The control was grown indoors in a climate controlled chamber ranging from 70-79 degrees at all times. Flowering began for males and females Day 17-21, and finished ripening Day 56-63.

The plants grown in the cold temps where the exact same seeds that where used in the control. Flowering began for males and females Day 35-45, which is an 18 to 28 days delay in the AF trigger, BUT ultimatly they began to flower and continued to do so at a slower rate making the total flowering time longer. Total growth cycle of these plants ranged from Day 80-90.

As for the cloning thing of course you can clone it, it is cannabis and it will take root but it will continue its life cycle, entering flowering, the only then you may accomplish is delaying the flowering process a bit incase you need to wait for some pollen to arrive that you wish to use. But other then that, there was early study on some chemicals used to delay the flowering process, I dont remember what those Chems where and I lost touch with the person that was doing the work on this. I will let you know when and if I find it.

ICC.

have you ever cloned a non af in flower it will reveg and be way bigger than it could have been in the first place if left on mom
if you wanted to keep a mom you would keep having to reveg her
the clone does not continue to flower it starts over

 

[IceColdCrickets]

have you ever cloned a non af in flower it will reveg and be way bigger than it could have been in the first place if left on mom
if you wanted to keep a mom you would keep having to reveg her
the clone does not continue to flower it starts over

have you done the testing about this REVEG happends to AF clones? and is amount of new growth big enough to continue cloning her making new AF micro mothers? the amount of time and effort might be overwhelming if you are able to do it.

ICC

 

[asstastic]

i was just asking you if you have to see if you know what im talking about not chalenging you just collaberating
to keep a af mom you would clone all branches leanig only new groth that has not shown sex yet the clones will reveg and so will the mom
and no ive not expieramented the reveg with an af but afs are the same as if you grew 12/12 frome seed and reveged without taking them out of 12/12 when they veg there still under 12/12 then they bud when there old enough
if i had afs thats what i would do
so smoke a bowl and cherr up
and you could only have one mother which would be budding or reveging always

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

why?

 

[asstastic]

why?

why clone af
when reveging the plant has to get so big befor it buds
so if your af gets 12'' before it flowers the clone when reveged will gwt about half the size of the original plant before it stops streaching
but if you left the branch on the plant its as old as the oldest part of the mom so it will start to bud
so the plant as a hole is old enough to bud but when you remove the branch and pull off all pistils it wont be old(mature)enough to bud and will have to veg longer to produce what it needs to bud
hope thats laymans enough

 

[mossy]

The Fault lies in the description from the Original LowRyder..
it says that you Cannot clone them...it should have said..it is not really Worth cloning them.


I had a stem break in my masterlow..right down near the root and I thought she would die..so I had nothing to lose by trying to clone and preserve the genetic.
It worked..

ICC. P.S. There was one very interesting result in the testing, the Quality of the colder temp grown plants was better then that of the indoor plants grown fast. But I have an entire theory behind that aswell but that is another thread.

That I would Like to see...
I KNOW that bud grown through a Cold period Tastes better..
(same as tomatoes)
everyone will have seen me say that spring grown bud tastes sweeter..
I have just never questioned the why...
WHAT is your theory..I NEED TO KNOW....

Also...ICC..have you mixed AF hybs to long season girls..and what was your AF % results on the F1's..?

ChynaRyder and Arcticsun think I am a Freakie...because of my high AF dominance....

(I think mother nature just loves me a bit more than she does them...)

yup master gardener here thats were i learned to remove sex

asstastic..I Knew...straight away.

 

[I'm Dykster]

Interesting. I started growing autos cause I hate to clone and keep moms.

 

[vicious bee]

asstastic....



Yup...
I cloned Masterlow AF's my first season doing the same thing.
Remove the sex...
Exactly the same as you would with a tomato or geranium.
(gardeners know all the tricks..)

And you simply keep nipping the buds out until they reach the height you want...then let them go.

I haven't tried to keep an AF Mom using that method..
But..I logic says it Would work.

For myself I prefer straight from seed..simple..just like ME..

But a hell of a useful trick in an emergency.

Have a great weekend...

I would be really interested in the details. Do you just pull off the flowering part. If so will it keep growing and will it work for males also. I have some auto flowering plants that I screwed up experimenting with. They're too small and I'd like them to get a little bigger before they flower so I can make a decent quantity of seeds. This technique sounds like just what I need.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

why clone af
when reveging the plant has to get so big befor it buds
so if your af gets 12'' before it flowers the clone when reveged will gwt about half the size of the original plant before it stops streaching
but if you left the branch on the plant its as old as the oldest part of the mom so it will start to bud
so the plant as a hole is old enough to bud but when you remove the branch and pull off all pistils it wont be old(mature)enough to bud and will have to veg longer to produce what it needs to bud
hope thats laymans enough

i was asking the original poster why he would waste his time cloning an auto flowering plant. what a waste. make some seeds and keep growing in cycles from seed. you are far better off doing this.

 

[asstastic]

oh ok
to post pone flowering pull off allpistils and leave leafs im going to get some af seeds so i can show every one what my whole process is about

 

[Flying Goat]

asstastic - Excellent! I've been following you guys, but a photo is worth 1k words...

Very much would like to learn about this process...

 

[mossy]

Do you just pull off the flowering part. If so will it keep growing and will it work for males also.

In Theory..yes to all of the above.
As I say I only used it to clone..But it is a gardeners technique to produce bigger/bushier/more flower sites plants.

I say you have nowt to lose by trying on your shorties.
One tip is to get in Early..
remove signs of sex as soon as you see them..get in with your finger nails and "Nip" it out.

Flying Goat..I had a set of "how to" photos..but they will be lost in my old albums now...
but it looks as if asstastic is going to do it for you..
...asstastic

 

[asstastic]

ive been over to the reveg thread and its a little out dated so im gonna take it over or make my own advanced reveg thread cuz i have a bunch of pics and a female i can deminstrate on and i have a groupe of revegers in various stages and they should hold everyone interested untill i get some af seeds

 

[vicious bee]

I have some screwed up autos. I tried to hurry them and added a bunch of concentrated seaweed at 10,000 PPM. It worked great on some other plants. Stoner logic. If a little is good. A lot is really good! Well...er..cough...cough...sputter...sputter...oops... Maybe not. I totally poisoned them. Then drowned them trying to flush. Drowned to the point where they raised their little leaves up to the sky praying this idiot who was flooding them would die and give them some relief. Of course then in all their one and one quarter inches of glory they start to flower. Arrrggh. Ruined. I'm trying to make some seeds and will be lucky to get parity with what I planted. If your "pick off the flowers to delay flowering" works YOU WILL BE MY HERO! Talk about a timely post. This is exactly what I need. Time. Today, showing my poor suffering plants whose boss and making sure their trials and tribulations do not cease, I used one of those big magnifying glasses with the lamp on it and with trusty Fiskers trimmed ever stamen and pistol on every plant. It took forever. Then to really test this I took this Short Term Amnesia male and trimmed it.

Before


After

Why this male? I was saving pollen from this one and several others and mixing them together. This plant really started showing promise. By the time I realized it it stopped putting out pollen. It has this great smell like oranges and look at the close up.

I'd love to have some more pollen from this plant seperately. Supposedly it should start growing again correct? I hope so. This would be a great technique to get plants a little larger inside before you put them out. A little labor intensive but so is digging holes. More yield per hole would be nice. Also you could delay and put them out exactly when you wanted, say right after a rain storm. Save you from having to carry water. Any idea how often you have to clip the flowers? Every week? Every two weeks? I didn't take pictures of the small ones because. Well their so small they can't be seen! It was almost impossible to trim much less take pictures. If it works I'll take pictures when they are larger. I hereby proclaim this the "Mossy Asstastic Delayed Flowering Technique" MADFT Yes I know asstastic suggested it first in this thread but the acronym works better with Mossy first.

 

[asstastic]

hey i dont mind madft and ya that fidst pic is what it should look like and are you doing it with the male just to keep it alive cuz you could just keep the pollen
you can pluk the new pistils once your plant has grown out and makes new flower
the longer you let it bud the bigger each step of reveg will be but i had one like your female and when it budded out its branches that have not grown yet ended up being 6-8'' long a piece and my strain was indica and had no strech so you could leave that girl that you removed the sex from and her new branches will grow and bud and thats when ide suggest reveging but you can al ways just pluck them as you se them it depends what your purpose for reveging is but the best way is to bud then pluck then reveg then bud then pluck then reveg and so on and if you want clones wait untill there 1-3 weeks budding before taking clones and keeping clones is the same as moms bud,pluck,reveg,bud,pluck,reveg,bud
thats the new motto so rember it

 

[mossy]

ive been over to the reveg thread and its a little out dated so im gonna take it over or make my own advanced reveg thread cuz i have a bunch of pics and a female i can deminstrate on and i have a groupe of revegers in various stages and they should hold everyone interested untill i get some af seeds

Make your own thread asstastic..
Your work..Your kudos.
If there is some info in the old thread that you want to copy..I'm sure the originator wouldn't mind you cutting and copying.

Stoner logic. If a little is good. A lot is really good! Well...er..cough...cough...spu tter...sputter...oops... Maybe not. I totally poisoned them.

Oh Dear..Hang your head in SHAME Bro vicious bee....


Nah..not a Bit of it...I for one am gonna hit you with Rep for daring to admit to your mistake.

I have seen a lot more people kill their girls with Kindness than neglect.
We love them SO much that we want to give them the Best..
and it ain't good for them.
(The Worst sin is Germing into pre-ferted compo..it is like feeding a newborn baby on beef steak....
you just know it is Wrong....
stumpies..screwed male ratio and precocious puberty are only some of the problems...Don't do it.)

Chill..and your Girls chill with you.
Laid back growers grow laid back bud.

"Mossy Asstastic Delayed Flowering Technique" MADFT Yes I know asstastic suggested it first in this thread but the acronym works better with Mossy first.

ha ha...cheers m8...
But it is simply Gardeners Lore...

It took me ages to dispel the "Mystic Herb" myth from my head and realise that it is just a Plant..
and I can grow plants

(you have never seen such a nervous first grower as me..I Killed my first AF grow..
but my m8's held my hands through it...put me right..and 4 years on..
I think I can grow a pretty mean one..
My m8's still haven't recovered from the Trauma though..)

 

[vicious bee]

Just to make it clear all the pictures are of a male. It's so frosty it could be confused with a female. That's why I want more pollen from it. It's really a side project though. I saved pollen from it, although mixed with others. I didn't post pics of the females because of severe embarrassment. If this works I'll post some and close ups, if I can get them, of what I did. I'm really enthusiastic about using this technique to grow in small woods clearing without much light. Trim the flowers a couple of times and get the yield up while having super hidden plants.

 

[Flying Goat]

No shame, VB... the glands on that male alone were enuf to get me salivating...

Cheers!

 

[vicious bee]

It's been four days. I kept notes on which ones I clipped. I'm only, if I don't screw up, clipping the male pods and female pistils. I'm hoping I don't have to clip the female calyx. It would be difficult to do so without damaging the rest of the plant. One I clipped four days ago needed clipping again. It could be a note screw up though. The rest seem fine. I make an entry if I clip and also at the same time if I don't clip to keep track. I probably should keep track of heights but won't. If it gets to be too much I would only blow it off any ways. Mostly just eyeballing them. Everyone will know in a couple of months if this works. That's what so great about autos. Instant feedback. If the clipping could be kept down to about every week it would seem to be manageable and a very effective tool. I took some pics but they were a bust. Hard to photograph. I'll keep at it and maybe next week have some pics.

 

[Zombo]

I'm envious of all you breeder types I'll be there as soon as this Pakistan Ryder finishes out, then it's all about Mossy's JEMs (hopefully a nice seed run!) then crossing with Nirvana ICE.

I hope I have your blessings, mossy

Said Pakistan Ryder at Day 47 (clicky for bigness):