Stronger rooting agent make cloning easier??

[Tomatoesonly]

Well, I got too comfortable cloning, and my latest batch is having all kinds of problems striking roots.
I was doing just about anything I wanted and they would clone. Now, using RW and Clonex and a dome... I'm getting a very very low success rate.
I'm wondering if something like Hormodin 3 would be better since it has a .8% IBA. Clonex is .31%

 

[dogzter]

Those products lose efficacy over time are they old?
Hormex makes a very high iba powder for hard to root trees and shrubs that will root just about anything.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

Those products lose efficacy over time are they old?
Hormex makes a very high iba powder for hard to root trees and shrubs that will root just about anything.

Well the bottle I'm using of clonex I kept in the fridge, but it is at least a year old and may have been abused prior to my purchase. Still purple but runny. It's not a gel any more.

 

[foomar]

The high strength Hormex powders definately outperform clonex , especially on plants that are harder to root than canna , a pound tub has lasted a decade and still good.
They listed #8 for canna on their website.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I use tap water in an aero cloner with great success. I don’t use a dome. The more water I get to move through the cutting, the faster I get roots. I usually process around 100 clones a month.

The 100% most important part is a healthy mother plant.

 

[Lester Beans]

Water the plant clones are to be taken from 20 min before clipping.

If the clonex is runny it's expired. Clonex isn't very good to begin with. Dogzter was on the money with his recommendation.

You should not need a dome with an aero cloner. If you get a little wilt a light mist of water cures that.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

I use tap water in an aero cloner with great success. I don’t use a dome. The more water I get to move through the cutting, the faster I get roots. I usually process around 100 clones a month.

The 100% most important part is a healthy mother plant.

I grabbed a bubble cloner, and cut a clone for it. We'll see how it does. That hormex is expensive compared to Hormodin.

 

[foomar]

Hormodex powders are perfect for traditional cuttings in a media like peat/coir/perlte ect.
Have not found them as usefull in a bubble cloner as it is actively washed off , a liquid product might be better here.

Or buy the pure IBA chemical off fleabay which is much cheaper.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

So I'm trying that Hormodin 3 on some clones right now. So one clone got about 1.25" of powder on it's stem, but only 3/4 went into the plug. Everything touched by that powder has swollen up in the first day. It's wild. Doesn't mean actual roots will form, though. I've had clones with TONS of calluses formed, but just wouldn't form roots.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

Update...
Even though you can see above that the higher concentration produced callus material, it did not make roots any sooner.
I went back to clonex and myco powders and root riots.

 

[acespicoli]

Commercial growers and cannabis labs scientists are having the best luck rooting at 0.2 IBA, gonna have to look this up and come back with a solid number and supporting peer reviewed research.

Lots of folks getting 95% success with a cup of water or sand and no hormone on top 3 nodes. Cut within short distance of node. Plant provides its own auxin.

The quick point I wanted to make away from my notes is from memory admittedly it's not always great...my memeory... but I'm pretty sure the higher concentration of rooting hormone inhibits rooting.
I hope this helps

Interesting note: seems roots like to find auxin desolved in substrate water sounds strange but appears legit, dunking stems in caked on powder was not the sweet spot for me. Less is more with gels powders and dissolved in irrigation, just MO

 

[dogzter]

If you keep pulling them they will never root.
Stick them and leave them alone and you will gwt better results.
Take 10 to 14 days don't fall for the "I had roots in 3 days" shit.

 

[G.O. Joe]

OG brand Rootone was 0.1% IBA for a long time, but was also 0.2% naphthaleneacetamide. Then they dropped the IBA entirely but I still had 100% success over 30 years. It was an outstanding product and the 4% thiram didn't hurt and I don't remember which one it was that EPA suddenly objected to, so it hasn't been sold for some 15 years.

The point is if anyone is going to buy chemicals, 1-naphthaleneacetamide is probably better than IBA.

 

[Tomatoesonly]

If you keep pulling them they will never root.
Stick them and leave them alone and you will gwt better results.
Take 10 to 14 days don't fall for the "I had roots in 3 days" shit.

I didnt pull anything. If you're talking about the callus in the picture, that's above the stem of what's inside the root riot.

 

[Dime]

Olivia knows what she's doing

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

@Tomatoesonly how did you end up fixing your issue and did you have success with the aerocloner?

I have always sucked heavily at cloning, even with hormone I used to have huge failures. Now since I can’t get hold of hormone it’s even worse. I’ve decided it my have been temperature all along, some say 30c - mine never get above 20C.

Peace

 

[Dime]

Clones strike better on a waxing moon

 

[Tomatoesonly]

@Tomatoesonly how did you end up fixing your issue and did you have success with the aerocloner?

I have always sucked heavily at cloning, even with hormone I used to have huge failures. Now since I can’t get hold of hormone it’s even worse. I’ve decided it my have been temperature all along, some say 30c - mine never get above 20C.

Peace

My aerocloner/bubble cloner was a total failure. I'm having really good success with my old combo of clonex, root riots and a dome. I've started using a myco powder, but I'm not sure that helps clones root. It may help after that, but I think it takes awhile for the myco to get going. 14 days give or take and i'll see good roots ~60%. 3 weeks and I'm at 100%.
On another note, I can get roots in a rockwool cubes, but, I SWEAR, they have way more problems post rooting than Rootriots. From stem rot, to random death.

 

[acespicoli]

My aerocloner/bubble cloner was a total failure. I'm having really good success with my old combo of clonex, root riots and a dome. I've started using a myco powder, but I'm not sure that helps clones root. It may help after that, but I think it takes awhile for the myco to get going. 14 days give or take and i'll see good roots ~60%. 3 weeks and I'm at 100%.
On another note, I can get roots in a rockwool cubes, but, I SWEAR, they have way more problems post rooting than Rootriots. From stem rot, to random death.

One thing im surprised I forgot and @Piff Rhys Jones * mentioned is the importance of temperature on rooting.
Its quite cold here where I am right now, and a seedling heating mat is helpful!

Edited* Good catch Piff

 

[Hiddenjems]

One thing im surprised I forgot and I noticed no one else mentioned is the importance of temperature on rooting.
Its quite cold here where I am right now, and a seedling heating mat is helpful!

Keeping the water around 75* seems to work best for me. I just change the water in the machine all the time at that temp to avoid bad guys. The southern ag garden friendly fungicide I use in the water seems to help with that.