wonder how the seeds will compare to the cut?
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Strawberry Cough
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Nice 3ld 
good to have friends huh. Can't wait to see her in flower. Keep us updated Please.
Mo,
good to have friends huh. Can't wait to see her in flower. Keep us updated Please.Mo,
SativaBelieva
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DP's strawberry seeds are reported not to even come close to the Kyle cut... and it is the mother Strawberry Fields that smelled and tasted more like strawberries... SF is crossed with Cough (a haze) to get Strawberry Cough... and Kyle did only find one SC that flowers like indica and smokes like sativa... that is the real value of the SC cut... and that is why I expect more seeds of SC crosses to hit the market soon...
Of course life forms can be symbiotic with eachother and even cooperate SativaBelieva, like flowers and bees or ants and spider mites, that has never been denied. Certain life organisms have learned to cooperate with or parasite on other organisms (like my cat, who asks to be fed about 15 times a day). Some bacteria are beneficial to plants, like the Bacillus Thuringiensis that kill certain parasites to the root system (the enemy of your enemy is your friend), or mycorrhizal fungi that protect the roots from Phytium. When two plant species are grown side by side they share the bacteria culture in the ground, and they also share the other conditions (light, nutrients etc) which will play a role in their phenotype. But it doesn't mean that they "become" a little like the other, even when they've found ways of exchanging favours... between neighbours.
SativaBelieva
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RC, I don't take that part on exchanging aromas either... not genetically anyway... but still I believe there are ways for plants to intensify each other aromas by some interaction other than breeding and selection...
Like I do believe plants know about their surroundings, under and above the ground... I don't know how and what they know... but they must be able to 'see' light and space to grow in that direction... this must be an obvious example... but I believe also that plants have some other way of communicating, like humans can do subconsciously... plant intelligence would be an interesting research field, in my opinion...
Sometimes I think my plants call me when they're thusty... and it don't matter if I'm at home or abroad...
I have seen another example of plant competition or synergy... when different cannabis strains are grown together in one room... I've seen plants with a longer flowering period finishing faster when plants with a shorter flowering period are in the same room... and with plants of the same strain in the same room, but in different cycles... like in continuous gardens... I've seen older plants shooting extra bananas to fertilize the younger ones in the same room...
Another example is in the Male/Female ratio... say, for one strain that could be like 4/6... now if there are already 10 females in the room and you would pop another 10 seeds, would among these then most likely be 4 males?... or more?... my guessing is more, as I've heard a theory that seeds have some capability to determine their own sex within 2 weeks or so after sprouting... then 4 males out of 20 plants would be somewhat low for this strain... the question then is, would the seedlings pick that info from their surroundings so that more than 4 will evolve as males?
Same thing with conditions... some seem to encourage males and other females...
To get to my point, I remember another study on DNA and experiences... like when you get an accident and loose an arm, your kids will most likely still have 2 arms... the DNA won't change, but sometimes the DNA interface can change... for instance there was a small isolated city in Norway during WWII where in one year there was so little food that people were starving... half of the babies born in that year died too soon... that may be expected, but now their offspring still showed that high death rate in the early years... and this carried through to the present 3rd generation... so the effects of this starvation period has in some way become inheritable...
In short, the story on SC may not be that scientifically sound... still I think that science hasn't developed enough to exclude all possibilities... we only have a few clues...
Sorry if we're going to far off topic here, but I enjoyed the opportunity discussing different opinions...
Like I do believe plants know about their surroundings, under and above the ground... I don't know how and what they know... but they must be able to 'see' light and space to grow in that direction... this must be an obvious example... but I believe also that plants have some other way of communicating, like humans can do subconsciously... plant intelligence would be an interesting research field, in my opinion...
Sometimes I think my plants call me when they're thusty... and it don't matter if I'm at home or abroad...
I have seen another example of plant competition or synergy... when different cannabis strains are grown together in one room... I've seen plants with a longer flowering period finishing faster when plants with a shorter flowering period are in the same room... and with plants of the same strain in the same room, but in different cycles... like in continuous gardens... I've seen older plants shooting extra bananas to fertilize the younger ones in the same room...
Another example is in the Male/Female ratio... say, for one strain that could be like 4/6... now if there are already 10 females in the room and you would pop another 10 seeds, would among these then most likely be 4 males?... or more?... my guessing is more, as I've heard a theory that seeds have some capability to determine their own sex within 2 weeks or so after sprouting... then 4 males out of 20 plants would be somewhat low for this strain... the question then is, would the seedlings pick that info from their surroundings so that more than 4 will evolve as males?
Same thing with conditions... some seem to encourage males and other females...
To get to my point, I remember another study on DNA and experiences... like when you get an accident and loose an arm, your kids will most likely still have 2 arms... the DNA won't change, but sometimes the DNA interface can change... for instance there was a small isolated city in Norway during WWII where in one year there was so little food that people were starving... half of the babies born in that year died too soon... that may be expected, but now their offspring still showed that high death rate in the early years... and this carried through to the present 3rd generation... so the effects of this starvation period has in some way become inheritable...
In short, the story on SC may not be that scientifically sound... still I think that science hasn't developed enough to exclude all possibilities... we only have a few clues...
Sorry if we're going to far off topic here, but I enjoyed the opportunity discussing different opinions...
I do believe you made a good point about plants there SB. They do not have eyes, ears and noses, they cannot sing La Traviata in soprano or run a 100 meters in 9.78 secs, but they are more complex and advanced organisms than what we've thought them to be. You should read a book called "The Secret Life of Plants", by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. It's not a text that should be taken at face value, but it presents the main theories of what plants are suspected to be capable of. Here's an outline from a skeptic's point of view:
http://skepdic.com/plants.html
As to the female/male ratio, I would like to clarify a few things. First of all, there are two theories about the sexing of the Cannabis plant. One is the epigamic (non-genetic) theory, stating that the sex is chosen by the plant due to external stimuli of some sort, and the genetic inheritance theory, stating that the sex is predetermined by its set of chromosomes. Robert C Clarke gives a more thorough explanation of this in his book "Marijuana Botany" (which saves me the effort). To cut it short, the most convincing answer to this is that both theories are right. The Cannabis seed do have a predetermined sex, but external stimuli such as different growing conditions and stress can cause the young plant to change sex. It is generally concidered that the third week is crucial in sex determination - depending on how far the seedling has evolved. Therefore, no Cannabis strain has a predestined male/female ratio (although certain strains are more likely to hermaphrodite), it all depends on how you grow it. Dutch Passion Seed Company experimented with sexing for years and came to the following conclusions about male/female ratios:
a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
a higher humidity will give more females.
a lower temperature will give more females.
more blue light will give more females.
Fewer hours of light will give more females. It is important to start these changes at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks, before reverting to standard conditions.
You could add several stress factors such as overferting, overwatering or strong wind to increase the male ratio. It boils down to that if you create conditions that are ideal for the Cannabis plants, the female ratio will be high (many females=more seeds=higher propagation of the species) whereas if the living conditions are less hospitable, the male ratio will increase (many males=greater competition in pollination=less seeds=lower propagation of the species). It's a self regulating propagation mechanism within the species. Sorry for hijacking the thread with all this. The subject was Strawberry Cough. Please go on...
http://skepdic.com/plants.html
As to the female/male ratio, I would like to clarify a few things. First of all, there are two theories about the sexing of the Cannabis plant. One is the epigamic (non-genetic) theory, stating that the sex is chosen by the plant due to external stimuli of some sort, and the genetic inheritance theory, stating that the sex is predetermined by its set of chromosomes. Robert C Clarke gives a more thorough explanation of this in his book "Marijuana Botany" (which saves me the effort). To cut it short, the most convincing answer to this is that both theories are right. The Cannabis seed do have a predetermined sex, but external stimuli such as different growing conditions and stress can cause the young plant to change sex. It is generally concidered that the third week is crucial in sex determination - depending on how far the seedling has evolved. Therefore, no Cannabis strain has a predestined male/female ratio (although certain strains are more likely to hermaphrodite), it all depends on how you grow it. Dutch Passion Seed Company experimented with sexing for years and came to the following conclusions about male/female ratios:
a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
a higher humidity will give more females.
a lower temperature will give more females.
more blue light will give more females.
Fewer hours of light will give more females. It is important to start these changes at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks, before reverting to standard conditions.
You could add several stress factors such as overferting, overwatering or strong wind to increase the male ratio. It boils down to that if you create conditions that are ideal for the Cannabis plants, the female ratio will be high (many females=more seeds=higher propagation of the species) whereas if the living conditions are less hospitable, the male ratio will increase (many males=greater competition in pollination=less seeds=lower propagation of the species). It's a self regulating propagation mechanism within the species. Sorry for hijacking the thread with all this. The subject was Strawberry Cough. Please go on...
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SativaBelieva
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We certainly hijacked this thread with all this... while 3legdog is still roaming the streets in Amsterdam... hope I see you tonight at the Dampkring, buddy!
Have fun at the Dampkring, it's a great place. A bit overhyped lately thanks to "Ocean's Twelve" but still a sweet spot.
