Strange Slime buildup on roots

[richyrich]

Ya i looked today and there was slime in the cloner fyckers hopefully they shipped it same day and it gets here tomorow

Treat with H2O2 in the meanwhile. You can get some 3% anywhere. 10ml per gallon.

 

[Dr. G]

So what if my incomming water is the culprit does physan degrade can i treat my ro water with it and let it degrade i guess i couls steal my salt water fish tanks uv filter for awhile but id rather not lots of salt on that thing im throwing some of my older mothers into flower and getting rid of one of the hydro tables cuz this yeild is going to bankrupt me almost

And the clones dont even have the slime its just in the chiller tubes and the rez

 

[richyrich]

Use UV or H2O2. H2O2 degrades in 2-3 days. Use Physan20 for cleaning and one day nuking.

 

[Dr. G]

ok so i found some local

3 ml per 25 gals even on the rezes and tables?

and whats the dilution to clean equip

the site says different for the plants alittle more then 3 ml per 25



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[richyrich]

The same as advised. You can use more as their site says, but expect lots of foam.

 

[Dr. G]

hey so its been 18 hrs in the cloner and theres still alittle slime on the uncut clones

is it suposed to come off or can it be dead and still attached?

 

[richyrich]

Is it a coating of slime like mucous or just mushy slimy feeling cuts or clones. Clean it off. If they are mushy get rid of them.

 

[Dr. G]

Is it a coating of slime like mucous or just mushy slimy feeling cuts or clones. Clean it off. If they are mushy get rid of them.

no the cuts are firm its the greyish slime stuff on the cuts them selfs same stuff thats in the rez in certain areas too i cant see intot he water anymore tho so i dunno if its still in there


also my stuff didnt foam up as hard as your guys pics it did foam but not a lot

the hydroton im soaking did foam an alright amount but not the rezes too much


my one table has gotten 24 hrs of floods (4) and the rez is being drained and in a few hrs ill manually flood the table with ro water and a bit of cal mg since the ph was at 5.3 for a few days and they have slight cal def going on

the other tables ill prolly wait for them to flood again tongiht since they were the ones that actually are looking bad



now when i clean my rez with this stuff how hard is it to rinse it all out since my rezs are 150 gals and i no drain in the current area i guess i can put a hose thought my basement window and take the rez to the furnace room which had a drain in the floor

after a few good floods of ro water how long should i wait to introduce the aqua shield i dont wanna kill off the good guys

 

[Ipsissimus]

Dr. G - I've had the slime, and let me tell you, it is a bitch!

It doesn't kill the roots directly, but it keeps them from intaking oxygen which starves them causing them to turn brown.

What is only temporarily slowed down by h2o2, grows without light, and loves nutes & aeration? It also LOVES distilled and reverse osmosis water?

fungus. In fact, if you let the slime build up it will spore up in blue green dusty splotches eventually.

when I had this problem I eventually tracked it down, type of slime mold. it can proliferate from your pipes. once established though, I found chlorinated city water slowed growth down. This is no surprised, because high chlorine levels kill mold and fungus.

As extreme as this sounds, I had my best results using a highly diluted bleach solution (1 drop a gallon iirc). Maintain this for a few days to punch it in the nose.

I've found once I've had the problem in my current place, DWC becomes too problematic in general.

 

[spreadhead]

i grow under a 150hps in a cabinet. i have been growing dreamgoddess for several yeas taking a clone of a clone. when cloning back in the last month of 08 i could not get anything rooted. at this same time i lost 3 out of 4 flowering attempts due to a root problem. i had 4 plants survive grown together in a 4 gallon cat litter container with 4 airstones in a dwc. these plants made it a provided me a great harvest in march 09. i revegged the plants and lost one in the process. i just started flowering the three and looking at the roots, the new growth are at the bottom and their are a lot of dead roots in between. i ordered hygrozyme to help break down old root mass. my h2o temps can creep to 80 but i keep frozen water bottles in the container to control temps.

i am reading that hygrozyme can promote the slime attack...the one that i am trying to prevent by using hygrozyme. these are very special plants that i do nnot want to loose. i am doubting even now adding this.
any recommendations. like as a 24 hr flush.

lastly, i have been adding EA and EN and i think i have had remarkable resuls with fighting off the slime.

any recommendations?

 

[Dr. G]

ya im about to switch back to soil
which i really really really dont want to do

im doing ebb and flow hydroton right now

i have one table thats looking great had some cloudy water do i hit em with the physan toDAY THey are on a flush for tomorow

but all the rest really got hit with bad root rot too

got teh aqua shield today flushing out the cloner as we speak

this has almost bankrupt me since i spend a ton of money to build a new set up right b4 this

i lost 3 full tables of sog under 7kw but it was pretty much from teh root rot mainly i think i got the slime from useing hygrozyme to battle the rot

trashed one table and put in my mothers into flower today cuz i took new moms a few weeks ago

i have one table that isnt destroyed but if i posted a pic youd cry the buds are still fantastic lol guess chem4 is a real winner nomatter what goes wrong

also for everyone to know chem4 is a really good root rot resistant strain everything else died but it


cleaned one rez today and is filling with water as we speak

hopefully everythng gets back on track

 

[richyrich]

Dr. G, flush with RO from the top. You don't need to fill the rez and do flood and drains. Spray everything in the tray, on the tray, in pots, etc. and then drain the rez. Then give the rez a rinse and another drain. Add benes right-a-way and use the EWC tea, ALSO!

To the other recent posters. Your answers are within the last few pages.

 

[Dr. G]

ya i cant make water that fast so they are going to get a few ro water flood and drains '


il be adding the bbs asap tho


the big bitch is i cant dump too much of this physan down the drain i have a septic system



so any ol ewc is good?

 

[Ipsissimus]

the stuff lives on organic matter (dead roots and nutes) - it can't get a foot hold if you have zero root root, from the start. when restarting, make sure you eliminate the cause of the initial root rot. And f*ck it, do a couple soil tables as insurance until you're comfortable enough with the system and can afford to experiment.

last bit - once you get the slime, forget about beneficials - you can grow awesome hydro in a completely sterile root environment. #1 priority is killing off the slime, and keeping it from coming back.

 

[spreadhead]

i have read through much if not all of this thread...i have searched the internet and i have filtered richy rich's posts. there seems to be different out comes with different folks..several of the posts here lead me to believe that hygrozyme can be the root cause of this slime.
i had 4 plants in a 4 gallon container. the plants are about a year old. 1 plant died... its roots are mixed in with the healthy roots and there is a big root ball that looks like they are dead with the new roots growing at the bottom of the container..plants super healthy and i am using EA and EN which feeds the mycorrhizae and beneficial bacteria.
looking for direction if i should use hygrozyme

 

[richyrich]

ya i cant make water that fast so they are going to get a few ro water flood and drains '


il be adding the bbs asap tho


the big bitch is i cant dump too much of this physan down the drain i have a septic system



so any ol ewc is good?

Any EWCs. Just make sure they are not real old.

 

[richyrich]

the stuff lives on organic matter (dead roots and nutes) - it can't get a foot hold if you have zero root root, from the start. when restarting, make sure you eliminate the cause of the initial root rot. And f*ck it, do a couple soil tables as insurance until you're comfortable enough with the system and can afford to experiment.

last bit - once you get the slime, forget about beneficials - you can grow awesome hydro in a completely sterile root environment. #1 priority is killing off the slime, and keeping it from coming back.

Slime has survived through H202 everyday, SM-90 and etc.. The only thing that suppresses it is Dutch Master Zone. Or you can try UV as I have just done.

 

[richyrich]

i have read through much if not all of this thread...i have searched the internet and i have filtered richy rich's posts. there seems to be different out comes with different folks..several of the posts here lead me to believe that hygrozyme can be the root cause of this slime.
i had 4 plants in a 4 gallon container. the plants are about a year old. 1 plant died... its roots are mixed in with the healthy roots and there is a big root ball that looks like they are dead with the new roots growing at the bottom of the container..plants super healthy and i am using EA and EN which feeds the mycorrhizae and beneficial bacteria.
looking for direction if i should use hygrozyme

I'm assuming your 4 gallon containers may be filled with hydroton. You say you have a lot of roots that look dead. If so, you have root rot, also. Not sure if you said you have the slime. Yes, any zyme is jet fuel for the slime. In your case though, you have no choice. You need to start using a zyme to break down the dead roots. From experience, zymes will not get rid of all the dead roots and the problem will persist. Incorporate a regiment of Zone and [H2O2 everyday]. Forget the benes at this time because they will never overcome the amount of rot you have. I would advise a good H2O2 bath of your roots and removal of all dead matter. I don't know if your setup allows for that. If you can get rid of all the dead roots mass then go back to benes. Oh, and nuke everything with Physan20 if you go that way.

 

[robertmarley]

Some of the confusion about UVs being used w/ koi etc. could use a little more explanation. In water gardening/ koi raising, they don't care about killing all the algae. What they are trying to do is CLARIFY --- that is knock out enough to see their fish. UVs are rated by clarifying and STERILIZING ratings. ie the 8 watt Aqua UV that i use will clarify up to 2000 gallons, but will sterilize only 1/10 of that or 200 gallons. There is usually a listing for max flow to achieve the rating. Don't think any of us would go over that flow rate anyway.

Saw some nice units at Lowes in the outdoor/pond section. Very reasonable too. UVs separate or combined w/ a pump. Plus replacement bulbs (which should be replaced yearly on about all units, if you are running them continually)

Hope this helps -------- CB

so you have been running these for a while with great success? my friend just bought one after i told him about it and i helped him set it up.. seems like a legit unit.

definetly gonna pick one up whe nig et home

 

[Dr. G]

Hey so the lady at the physan company said that you can use ot continusly at half teaspoon per 50-70 gals


It also breaks down and is inactive in 5-7 days


I think im going to go this route with the bad table with root rot