Strange Slime buildup on roots

[ItsGrowTime]

Hey man, you absolutely can do both. Otherwise they would NEVER be used in fish ponds where the survival of every fish depends completely on a functioning biofilter!

There is no point to do both though because once youve got BB the UV is completely redundant. I am making a habit of repeating myself alot recently! Remember they grow ON the biofilter you introduce, on your roots, on he sides of ur res etc. ON Everything. Once we get them on the roots we are LARFING!

Please explain how sterilizing the water with UV, which kills the algae, will not kill the subtillis and any other benes that are introduced. And what or who is "they"? You seem to love to make vague assertions with absolutely nothing to back it up with. This thread is littered with it. Details, links, anything?

 

[10k]

Please explain how sterilizing the water with UV, which kills the algae, will not kill the subtillis and any other benes that are introduced. And what or who is "they"? You seem to love to make vague assertions with absolutely nothing to back it up with. This thread is littered with it. Details, links, anything?

I believe he's referring to aquarium fish keepers using both. IE: These UV units are primarily sold and used in the aquarium business and run with success in aquariums where it is important to also have a healthy running nitrogen cycle... in other words "both"

And I think he means UV sterilizers when he says "they"

but, that is just how "I" am reading it, so I'll just stfu heh heh sorry

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I believe he's referring to aquarium fish keepers using both. IE: These UV units are primarily sold and used in the aquarium business and run with success in aquariums where it is important to also have a healthy running nitrogen cycle... in other words "both"

And I think he means UV sterilizers when he says "they"

but, that is just how "I" am reading it, so I'll just stfu heh heh sorry

I guess that could be it. Maybe Im just picky when it comes to those little things called "details". If he means adding benes and letting them colonize for a couple weeks and THEN adding UV that may work. Of course anything free floating will be killed. But if I have a fresh res and hook up the UV then dump benes in there the UV is going to wipe out most, if not all, of the benes I just added before they can colonize. The devil is in the details and DITry doesn't seem to like explaining the important details.

The original question was whether UV kills benes. The answer is yes. It kills any free floating living organism. That's why its called a "sterilizer". I probably went too far by saying you can *only* do one or the other. The method above may allow simultaneous use. Not really any point to it though.

 

[Tarbosh]

... try adding a smigin of dish soap.....


after being over run by diatoms.... I cleaned everything with hot water and dish soap...... put it all back in the bio bucket system and added bottled beneficials (bio booster)

no sign of diatomic return..... tons of foam (which they used to grow on.... but the remnants of the dish soap and lack of surplus nutes seems to be keeping the diatoms at bay!

 

[10k]

I guess that could be it. Maybe Im just picky when it comes to those little things called "details". If he means adding benes and letting them colonize for a couple weeks and THEN adding UV that may work. Of course anything free floating will be killed. But if I have a fresh res and hook up the UV then dump benes in there the UV is going to wipe out most, if not all, of the benes I just added before they can colonize. The devil is in the details and DITry doesn't seem to like explaining the important details.

The original question was whether UV kills benes. The answer is yes. It kills any free floating living organism. That's why its called a "sterilizer". I probably went too far by saying you can *only* do one or the other. The method above may allow simultaneous use. Not really any point to it though.

Yes, I agree. If the benes are well colonized into the system on the roots, medium and other surfaces then they should be taking care of any bad microbes flowing past or through too. This is why I advocate having an aged water supply live with natural (nitrogen cycle) bb's for res maintenance and fresh mixes and also why I've never been a big fan of using H202 either.

 

[richyrich]

I guess that could be it. Maybe Im just picky when it comes to those little things called "details". If he means adding benes and letting them colonize for a couple weeks and THEN adding UV that may work. Of course anything free floating will be killed. But if I have a fresh res and hook up the UV then dump benes in there the UV is going to wipe out most, if not all, of the benes I just added before they can colonize. The devil is in the details and DITry doesn't seem to like explaining the important details.

The original question was whether UV kills benes. The answer is yes. It kills any free floating living organism. That's why its called a "sterilizer". I probably went too far by saying you can *only* do one or the other. The method above may allow simultaneous use. Not really any point to it though.

That is exactly what I was going to post. Both can be used but the right steps have to be taken. So, to anyone new reading this and wants to use both. Do not use the UV Sterilizer until your Beneficial Colony can grab a foothold.

 

[D.I.trY]

WOOPS, by "they" i meant a UV system -SORRY. and I add loads of details (sure not that post!)- but still not fair. If you are interested in this subject you can always use google. Sorry i would post links if i had them on hand and but i learnt my basic understanding of this years ago for my fish.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

WOOPS, by "they" i meant a UV system -SORRY. and I add loads of details (sure not that post!)- but still not fair. If you are interested in this subject you can always use google. Sorry i would post links if i had them on hand and but i learnt my basic understanding of this years ago for my fish.

Im not really trying to get in your shit so dont take it too personally but subjects like this require details and you said I was wrong while providing absolutely no details as to why or how I was wrong. Just basically "yes you can! aquariums man!" isn't an explanation. Anyway the question eventually got answered in detail so that's all that matters.

 

[D.I.trY]

I said that BB grow ON things like your roots and bio-media. This alone explains how they can be used in conjunction. (if the Uv was sterilising your roots you'd have, well, no roots) Please i did give an explanation.

 

[richyrich]

Happy to report to you guys that I pulled off a second round of healthy clones from my EZ Cloner. Get this, I didn't even clean the unit nor empty it. I used the same water and just added more EWC tea. Here is something else remarkable; I noticed that a long piece of root had broke off a cutting and was floating in the water. It's been floating in there for 3 days and it is still pearl white. It's not even rotting :jawdrop:and if there was slime it would of been all over that organic fuel.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Happy to report to you guys that I pulled off a second round of healthy clones from my EZ Cloner. Get this, I didn't even clean the unit nor empty it. I used the same water and just added more EWC tea. Here is something else remarkable; I noticed that a long piece of root had broke off a cutting and was floating in the water. It's been floating in there for 3 days and it is still pearl white. It's not even rotting :jawdrop:and if there was slime it would of been all over that organic fuel.

Looks like the beneficials really are a big key to keeping the slime away.

I moved the recovered plants back in my main grow room last nite. Im sticking with priming roots with beneficials before introducing any nutes or supplements in the future. They do work.

 

[jupiter8]

got 2 clones slimes up out of 40.
day 4 in the cloner. I just put some fresh tea in it and empty half of the the cloner and refilled with fresh water. Keeping fingers crossed.

Rich, what is your maintenance schedule? How frequently do you put fresh tea in it? And how much?

Maybe was it a mistake of adding a tablespoon of brown sugar after day 3 to feed the bb?

My tea recipe is pretty basic:

for 5 gallons of degassed water:

2 cups of worm castings
half a cup of humic acid
1 tablespoon of kelp
1 tablspoon of molasses

Based on Mrs Igham recipes. But no foam is forming even after 24 hrs Mmhhh....?

Some say that foaming is not really a sign of a successful tea, but it is my first attempts with this and i don't have a microscope powerfull enaugh.

Next thing in my wish list, get a microscope and study microbiology. I want to know my ennemies and my friends.

Mad scientists, here we go. ;-)

 

[jupiter8]

try gh subculture it works

not for me, got slimed in 3 days with it in a aero cloner like i said earlyer. But maybe i didn't give it enaugh time and some thing to settle on like a bio filter, also i,m wondering how the bb can live in a res like a cloner where there is no food (i.e. sugars) to feed on.

any toughts?

 

[richyrich]

got 2 clones slimes up out of 40.
day 4 in the cloner. I just put some fresh tea in it and empty half of the the cloner and refilled with fresh water. Keeping fingers crossed.

Rich, what is your maintenance schedule? How frequently do you put fresh tea in it? And how much?

Maybe was it a mistake of adding a tablespoon of brown sugar after day 3 to feed the bb?

My tea recipe is pretty basic:

for 5 gallons of degassed water:

2 cups of worm castings
half a cup of humic acid
1 tablespoon of kelp
1 tablspoon of molasses

Based on Mrs Igham recipes. But no foam is forming even after 24 hrs Mmhhh....?

Some say that foaming is not really a sign of a successful tea, but it is my first attempts with this and i don't have a microscope powerfull enaugh.

Next thing in my wish list, get a microscope and study microbiology. I want to know my ennemies and my friends.

Mad scientists, here we go. ;-)

Jupiter, welcome to the slime club.

Keep it simple with the ewc tea. 3 gallons of RO water. Add 1-2 cups of ewc and just a tad of molasses and that is it. Do not add humic acids or kelp. It is food for the microbes including the slime.

Do not add any molasses (food) to the cloner. You only want to add a couple of cups of ewc tea every 3rd day to replenish. Do not feed the microbes within, just replace them. The food could of been your problem. Always clean your unit with Physan20. I add power cloner solution made by botanicare to the water and away it goes. That is it.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Just thought Id give a final update on my slime battle. Recovery was 100%! I didn't lose a single plant. It wasted a few weeks and gave me a few gray hairs but other than that the Physan20 treatment, dead root and algae removal wash and immediate beneficial inoculation worked great to save the plants and get new roots started.

 

[jupiter8]

Thanks for the good advices Rich.

I don't have access to physan 20 here in Canada but i'm alaways using bleach (for pools) in 30 ppm concentration and rinse the hell out of it between uses.

So far so good, just 3 clones melted out of 40, day 6 now. I would have been slimed up 2 or 3 days ago wthout ewc tea. This is the thing and cost next to nothing. A 20 pound bag of castings and some grandma's make a long way....I wish i have known this before, i have red all winter about bb and ordered some subculture and tarantula and had no success with it. As soon as those clones are ready i'm going hydro again with theses littles balls in my systems:

This is a bio filter media from an aquarium store, the goodies will stick to these balls and will be in contact with the roots.

Reports will follow.

IGT- Good to know that you cured it, a few gray hair is not that much.
I almost lost all mines in the last year or so.

This should be a sicky on the recovery method to fight the herpes.

I admire you guys, slimed up unite and fight!

 

[D.I.trY]

your balls look great jupiter8! havent seen them before.

good news itsgrowtime, can i ask did you use bio media for the BBs to work, or do you plan to use some?

 

[jupiter8]

Thanks D.I, my balls don't have much attention these days, but on a serious note:

http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18401/cl0/biological?viewType=Category

I Saw this first in another post in big tokes bio buckets i think. Bio balls is the name. Looks cheap and effective it seems. Gonna get some tomorrow and trow a few in my cloner in place of the big piece of lava rock that i put in it.

Rich seems to get away with his little mat. But i work with 4 inch pvc tube in a hybrid vertical system so i think sparsing it even in the tubes will make a good contact innoculant for the roots. What do you think? Here is a pic of my homemade system proved to work in nft or aero before slime era.

and actually filled it up with coco to save my ass until the Cure, 3weeks to go until harvest.

 

[opt1c]

physan 20 makes bleach look like h2o2... night and day... look for it at aquarium stores or maybe ebay; they tend to have everything

i just picked up a bag of earth worm casings today; i was told that carboload and floranectar are more or less the same so i might throw some of that in the tea; the store didn't have any carboload and i had some extra floranectar at home; i guess humboldt nutrient's humboldt honey is also a carboload equivalent... i'll be firing up my 30 site as soon as my seedlings get moved to my main veg tent and free up my dr60; also have the required ro filter, bucket, airstone and pump; figure i'm read to rock n' roll

i'll keep everyone updated when i get it going; going to try some hard to clone strains and an new one this time around; even got new neoprene collars for the ez to eliminate one more vector for contamination

thanks for the awesome info richy; can't wait to try it myself

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I got my Physan20 from Worm's Way.

@DItry - No I did not use any media other than the hydroton already in the netpots. Im sure the media would help some but I just don't think it's completely necessary. I don't have plans to add any in the future.