strange problems outdoors.

[dobo]

Hey guys, I'm working on my first outdoor grow, having a few minor problems with my plants. First off, all the plants are potted in same soil and were all transplanted at same time. Having problems with one plant (pale and droopy) and another one thats droopy. The other plant is also droopy,looks healthy but the leaves are kinda concaved (turning in on themselves, I haven't seen this problem indoors before.I have a suspicion that the soil as some leaves are showing the dreaded nute burn..yet i've only foiler feeded the plants with hlaf strength nutes. 7-4-4 I think was the ratio.

Compost soil, perlite, pumice, sea weed extract, dolomite lime and epsom salts. I don't have the exact ratio but it would be about 80% soil 20% perlite/pumice.

Not sure what the P.H is.. I'm using tap water but it should be o.k as it comes from a well.

The temperatures at day time are around 18-24 and at night about 5-12 degrees.


Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks.

 

[rastamonunika]

Its been a while, but. . .

Its been a while, but. . .

Heylo friend!

Firstly the PH of your water may or may not be fine soming from a well, that would depend on the type of minerals the water gets filtered through before it hits your well. . . Also, your TDS will probably be pretty high because it is well water, which is something else you could look into. . .


whats your watering schedule? She looks overwatered to me. . its certainly been a while (sadly), but that was my first thought. . . perhaps some others will chime in. .



anyhow, good luck my friend!




lots of Love
unika

 

[MynameStitch]

That looks more like under watering to me... how often are you watering her?

18-24 and at night about 5-12 degrees.

Can you be more specific? night time temps are - 5 12 degrees?

18-24 C?

 

[stinkyattic]

At what rate did you add Epsom salts to your soil? That concerns me. Addition of MgSO4 in solid form to soil isn't really accepted practice for cannabis growers. You can easily lock out other nutrients, or recombine into toxic salts. I see what appears to be the very beginning of K lockout already showing in the form of pale yellow pinpoint-spots on that leaf you did the closeup of.
Flush your plants with water at pH 6.7 +/- 0.2
Check the soil runoff pH.
Check this number against the known flush solution. Adjust to bring the soil into range.
Feed with a 1/4 strength pH adjusted grow fert solution as the final stem in the flush.

 

[dobo]

Cheers guys, the epsom salts I only used a small quantity maybe a desert spoon for 5-10 litres of soil. At first I too thought it was under watered as I had jsut transplanted, I use the pick up method for watering and that plant seems to be heavy and I don't think it needs watering. The strange thing is all of the plants are in same soil that I mixed in a bucket and some are doing really well.

The Temps are high 17-24 C during the day and low at night 5-12 C , I did plant these seeds too early but they were an experiment before I popped my good genetics (just testing how they would do)

 

[MynameStitch]

heres the problem with that..... you have a big pot for that size of a plant...... trust me that plant is underwatered.... over watered plants do not droop that close to the stem. Over watered plants droop but they have an arch to them..... over watered and under watered can mask each other but you know when one is the other when the leaves are closer to the stems than anything else.

Are you growing different strains?

different strains need different care which would explain why some are doing good some are doing bad.

When was the last time you watered that plant?

ime that does not look like th start of a K deficiency.... they normally start like out on the outter edges of the leaves kinda like a calcium deficiency... but they can yellow where calicum leaves do not yellow. Since he just transplanted into fresh soil I would not feed yet.... plants can't uptake nutrients in the soil when they are not watered enough.

 

[R.A.]

hi there,

winter time is tough to grow canna. The plant goes to slow motion (its the temperature).

Reduce watering and nutes to half the volume you give now and they'll be fine.

But i must say that they look underwatered like MNisS said

 

[MynameStitch]

In the beginning over watering can look just like under watered.... but when the plants leaves droop straight down and get closer to the plant; there is no mistake the plant is under watered. when a plant is Over watered, it never gets it's leaves as droopy as it does when it's under watered.... it's leaves do not point straight down like it does when it is under watered....... when the plant is over watered they make a droopy arch like look.

I would not feed them anything either cause you just transplanted and plants can't absorb nutrients in the soil if water is not present. Water them it's as simple as that. If you don't; there root system will dry up and leaves will wither and you will have no chance of saving them if you let it get like that..... they will die in a week max if you do not do something about it now.

 

[dobo]

Thanks Stitch, great advice as usual, I checked the Ph of the soil and its about 7.2-7.4 is that too high?

I've given both plants a good soaking, I think maybe my mix is a bit too light and it's causing the plants to drain too fast. It's all good though this is the last pot they will be in before they get planted into native soil. I'll monitor the plants and keep you posted. The strain is a cross between white widow and Kush X amsterdam flame. My first indoor grow I had the 2 strains growing and one of my Kush plants turned hermie due to light leek and ended up cross pollinating the white widow and other Kush plants..The 2 "droopy" plants are Sativa dominant (from Kush X amsterdam flame), the other plants are very indica dominant with cabbage style leaves (white widow side) Like I said it was just an experiment before I popped the original beans (which I have done now and they are growing great under a CFL whilst they seedlings, they nearly ready to go out into the sun)



R.A thanks I'll keep half strength nutes and give the other plants a good watering tommorow. I live in New Zealand, we are just starting to go into summer but the weather has been very random with late frosts for this time of year, another 2 weeks and it will be full on summer with no chance of frosts. Now the night time temps are picking up im hopeing they will start to bloom! I was also hoping that with me putting them out so early it might help them become more hardy towards cold weather and give me that extra bit of time if they are late flowering. The part of Nz where I live gets the most sunshine hours in whole of NZ so I hope they will pull through and produce some monster buds!

 

[MynameStitch]

How are you testing the soil ph? test strips? You collecting the run off from the pots.... in there drain pans?

Yes, that is a little to alkaline. How much longer are they going to be in that soil?
I would add a little bit of peat moss to bring it down just a bit.... do not add to much cause you are using a soil mixture you do not want to bring it down to soiless ph.

Hey dobo, is growing there legal? I always wondered what the laws were there about growing.

Edit: will have to talk to ya later today; it's 4 45 am here and I am finally getting tired..... was all hyped up from it being my birthday; not to mention I always had a tradition of staying up late at night on my birthday night.... since I do not go to bars or drink I have to find a different way to have fun...... Spent a lot of time with my boyfriend and after he fell asleep......
stayed up playing video games

 

[dobo]

Happy B'day! a Scorpio too! Was my b'day on 28th.

I'm testing the ph using the run off from the pots and adding universal indicator to the water (its used for testing ph of pond water) I've got some peat moss, but was only going to add it to native soil. If I add a small bit of peat moss to the top of the soil would it lower the ph when watered?

Unfortunately growing in NZ is Illegal but thousands of people grow it every year as the climate is perfect for growing! In some states in Australia its legal to cultivate 4 plants , I wish Nz would follow the same law! 4 plants it more than enough if you know its legal and nobody is going to ripp them!

What video games was you playing ?

 

[MynameStitch]

THanks

I would try getting ph test strips from like a hardware store or garden shop......
Yes you want the ph of the soil to be down a bit if that is your correct reading. WHay I would do first is get a better means to test the ph. before adjusting it really.

I play the wii, ps2 and some pc games.
Been playing a variety lately You game at all?

 

[dobo]

Hell yeah, I'm a big pc gamer fanatic, like first person shooters and tactical shooters like the Rainbow 6 series, not sure if you have heard of those games tho? I'll try and find some ph strips but I haven't seen any locally, ill look online too.

 

[MynameStitch]

Yup, I have been gaming since I was 4 years old on Atari and then worked my way up as new systems came out. Yes I know the rainbow 6 series very well
Along with half life, battlefield, team fortress, call of duty,
I also like strategy games like rise of nations, civilization.

For fun I like the sims games too lol roller coaster tycoon games I love too.
SO I love a wide variety of games.

For consoles I love the final fantasy series.... love RPG games!
Resident evil is a good ole series I still like; especially the movies big fan.
Ya, ph test strips you can get them about anywhere they sell pool supplies..... do you guys have a wal mart in NZ?

 

[dobo]

hahah nope no wall marts over here

All the FPS games you mentioned I have played Have you tried the new call of duty 4 demo yet? If not you got to!! its awesome! We will have to get together one night and do a bit of online gaming.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ahh ok, wal mart must not be in that area yet.......

I wanna get my hands on COD 4! I am just waiting for it to be released; everytime I play a demo of a game I really want it just makes me want it even more so I just end up waiting so I can just game all I want when it is released.

We sure will have to hook up and play; always neat to play with other peeps. I used to play in clans all the time before my son was born; then I just did not have the time to do so anymore; especially with his sleeping issue.

You got a pool supply shop near you? Or garden shop? They carry ph test strips.

 

[dobo]

Sweet as! I've got the game pre-ordered so I'll let you know if its worth the money or not!

Yeah we got loads of pool/garden shops so I'll have a good look for the Ph strips!

I'm going to prep the native soil tomorrow, how deep do you reckon I should dig into the ground? It's got a loamy topsoil with a rocky layer underneath.

 

[MynameStitch]

I would only put it in there deep enough to how you had it in the soil.... the depth the stem was above the soil... do so in the ground as well.

Great, you will defiantly find ph strips there then!

I would take a chunk of soil and water it test the ph of it before putting it in the ground.....

Ya, let me know how good it is; I am sure it is good; all of the COD games have been kickass; except the ones on the console... COD should be kept a PC game period!

 

[dobo]

Yeah its a shame the console market has robbed us pc gamers of good titles by dumbing down everything so it works on a console! Apparently COD 4 was developed how the community wanted it, so its got to be good Sure looks and plays like it!

Sorry I wasn't very clear on what I was asking but I dug a trial hole and planted one WW plant. I dug a hole about 1 metre x 1 metre x 1/2 metre deep then added my mixture of compost/peat/perlite/water crystals and seaweed extract to native soil. The soil is very easy to dig which was a huge suprise, I thought I would hit rock early but I didn't the soil is very good on top but gets abit sandy lower down, so I'm glad I added some compost. I will only get to see the plants once a week so it will be interesting to compare growth between ones at home and the one in wild I planted. I'm also hoping the possums won't eat the plant, if I go back in a week and find nothing then I know I'll need a cage for others.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, that is how most of the time the soil is for pretty much everyone unless you add stuff to it like you did.

Oh, you will be surprised man..... what outdoors can do compared to indoors; I know what the difference will be; but keep me updated would like to see