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LostTribe

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Sterile Cloning Techniques
Recent discoveries in plant pathogens has led me to alter my cloning practices to limit the spread of any infected plant material. I was using an aerocloner with near 100% success for many years. Root borne pathogens and viroids travel freely within all roots in hydroponic systems that rely on a shared reservoir. I have also discontinued recirculating hydroponics systems in favor of an alternative drain to waste system using sterile perlite. In this post I will attempt to provide a run down of my current procedure for cloning in detail.

Step 1
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We begin with mixing cloning nutrient solution.

RO Water
180ppm Cal mag
top up to 450-550ppm total with Maxibloom
Ph to 5.8

This next part is taken from Bill Graham of microcloner. This can also all be done inside a still air box but we arent surface sterilizing plant material. If you have plants with surface pathogens then I recommend a 10 minuite soak of new cuttings in 10% Sodium Hypochlorite bleach solution followed by rinsing well in a colander under tap. Distilled water can be used if available for your rinse.
We have our cloning solution container and in a second container with a top I saturate my rooters fully with some of the solution. I use a microwave to heat the solution container and the container containing the rooters with tops just covering in 30 second increments until I see steam coming from the rooters and quickly close the containers.
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You will need the following:
Nitrile gloves
bleach spray
paper towels
cloning gel
quart freezer baggies
and the above containers, cloning solution and rooters. You will also need a sterile dome or clear tote, heat mat with pid temp controller and led lighting.
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Important Note- Never touch plant material without being gloved up. Always spray gloved hands with bleach solution and rinse in the sink and dry with clean paper towels between each different plant. The open sores form the plants, the sap and also the wet roots are all capable of spreading HLVD and many other pathogens. Cleanliness is paramount.

Before you begin pre pour out cloning gel on a folded paper towel, a separate small dab for each different cultivar. You should never dip your clones into a container of cloning gel, this will contaminate the entire container. Do not share gel with multiple cultivars, this will also cause contamination.
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When you select a branch for cloning always take one long enough to remove a few fan leaves. Remove all but the top two fan leaves and growing shoot. Make a fresh straight cut across the stem, not at 45 degrees, which will help callus the rooting cutting. I buy cheap throwaway razor blades at Harbor Freight and it is important to never use the same cutter on more than one plant.
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Another vector that many current growers are not aware of is using a shared cloning tray. Just like the aerocloner shared cloning trays will cause cross contamination form a sick plant to a healthy plant. It is important not to touch anything clean after you have handled any plant material always spray, rinse and dry your gloves, thought I needed to restate that.

Instead of shared domes I use a clear tote with clear top and individual freezer baggies. You will need to poke holes in the bottoms of the rooters as they stand up better this way when used upside down. I sometimes cut them in half with a sterile razor blade.
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Carefully stick the stem of the cutting all the way through the rooter to the bottom so you can barely see it. This is the way. Place in freezer bag, add a few drops of cloning solution if needed, blow up the bag and seal.
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Clones are placed inside a sterile dome or clear tote on top of a heat mate. I place the probe inside of the tope on the bottom in between the baggies and set the pid controller at 82F. Keep the top of the container on and place led strip right on top. I am currently running 18/6 but sometimes run 24/0.

Keep an eye on them and if you see any starting to wilt you might spray a tiny bit with tepid water. If any look like they need more air, add air and re seal. After a week I open the bags every 2 days, air them out and re seal. Baggies do not need to be burped but I do. I have left bagged unopened for 6 weeks without issues but wouldnt recommend going longer than a week or two. Near 100% cloned in 1-2 weeks.


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joepotsmoker

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Well done and well explained my dude, I'm looking into a flow hood for my setup so I can start doing something very similar, that way I can clean things up as you said with a bleach solution, then I Wana do some cloning in agar.
This is amazing break down tho, I'm thinking about starting to use root riots, everyone raves about them, I go the same way you were tho, a 36 site aero for cloning, thanks for the tip on the 45° cut as well.
So here's a few questions I got,
why not use iso for sterilization? Like for gloves and surface, bleach is very caustic and it will stain and make a mess, I also feel it leaves like a but of residue, idk.. what's your experience?
Also wouldn't running the plant in a collender after cleaning it up with the bleach solution essentially contaminate it again? Idk I guess it depends on your water.
And isn't having it soo warm giving it a chance to grow bacteria? Ik using the aero if I get close to 80°f and things start to stall out, is it different using the riots? Can I run hotter, well I guess, you are idk.
Now here's I guess a question for methods, mostly for viroid. Idk maybe more of a statement idk lol
So like if your already contaminated with viroid how would you go about removing it?
I've been told the only way to remove the viroid is to peel it back and do a meristem, if I'm missing something and I don't have to go microscopic and get a culture going to get rid of viroid that would be great.
Do you have any insights on this??
Meristems is a bitch and a half..
I've got a few plants thay have been meristemed and had the viroid removed in a lab, and I'd like to keep them clean, ima have to try this method out. I have to get clones working right, I'm haveing too many temp fluctuations with my aerocloner. So I'm looking into other options. I'm leaning towards the root riots bc well, everyone like them. I usually just use soil.
Any info help bud thanks!
 

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Well done and well explained my dude, I'm looking into a flow hood for my setup so I can start doing something very similar, that way I can clean things up as you said with a bleach solution, then I Wana do some cloning in agar.
This is amazing break down tho, I'm thinking about starting to use root riots, everyone raves about them, I go the same way you were tho, a 36 site aero for cloning, thanks for the tip on the 45° cut as well.
So here's a few questions I got,
why not use iso for sterilization? Like for gloves and surface, bleach is very caustic and it will stain and make a mess, I also feel it leaves like a but of residue, idk.. what's your experience?
Also wouldn't running the plant in a collender after cleaning it up with the bleach solution essentially contaminate it again? Idk I guess it depends on your water.
And isn't having it soo warm giving it a chance to grow bacteria? Ik using the aero if I get close to 80°f and things start to stall out, is it different using the riots? Can I run hotter, well I guess, you are idk.
Now here's I guess a question for methods, mostly for viroid. Idk maybe more of a statement idk lol
So like if your already contaminated with viroid how would you go about removing it?
I've been told the only way to remove the viroid is to peel it back and do a meristem, if I'm missing something and I don't have to go microscopic and get a culture going to get rid of viroid that would be great.
Do you have any insights on this??
Meristems is a bitch and a half..
I've got a few plants thay have been meristemed and had the viroid removed in a lab, and I'd like to keep them clean, ima have to try this method out. I have to get clones working right, I'm haveing too many temp fluctuations with my aerocloner. So I'm looking into other options. I'm leaning towards the root riots bc well, everyone like them. I usually just use soil.
Any info help bud thanks!
Isopropyl alcohol does not kill the Hop Latent Virod.
 

LostTribe

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Even seeds are transmitting HLVD so until every cultivar is grown for 8 weeks minimum and then proper root sampling and testing is done you should always consider any untested plants as positive ie isolated from each other.

There is a great deal of info on Tissue Culture and studies to clean certain pathogens available online. This post is just my method for taking clean clones and avoiding cross contamination from infected plant material. Microscopic apical meristem culture, pre treatment, antiviral treatment and extreme temperature exposure are all being combined with specific plant growth regulators and a time frame of 12 months minimum from start to finish with not all explants being cleaned hence the need for multiple explants and continued testing. Thats all I know and not looking to get into any of that. Just keeping what I have clean, clean and testing any new seed starts or other.

Even dried buds still are capable of transmitting the HLVD viroid for instance so you should never touch your plants ungloved to begin with if you are handling or breaking up buds even.
 

joepotsmoker

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Even seeds are transmitting HLVD so until every cultivar is grown for 8 weeks minimum and then proper root sampling and testing is done you should always consider any untested plants as positive ie isolated from each other.

There is a great deal of info on Tissue Culture and studies to clean certain pathogens available online. This post is just my method for taking clean clones and avoiding cross contamination from infected plant material. Microscopic apical meristem culture, pre treatment, antiviral treatment and extreme temperature exposure are all being combined with specific plant growth regulators and a time frame of 12 months minimum from start to finish with not all explants being cleaned hence the need for multiple explants and continued testing. Thats all I know and not looking to get into any of that. Just keeping what I have clean, clean and testing any new seed starts or other.

Even dried buds still are capable of transmitting the HLVD viroid for instance so you should never touch your plants ungloved to begin with if you are handling or breaking up buds even.
I never thought that far into it I guess like, now thinking yea, you're completely right.. I didn't think about the dry bud at all, I figured it was ded... o well... lol smh... yea, I guess iso will not do much then.. need bleach 109% of the time.
From what I know about viroid if it has viroid and it touches anything it spreads. There's a period there I guess too, it spreads on everything...
Not that I am showing signs of anything it's more of a learning experience rn for me.
I Wana be ready if I need any of this. I dont Wana get caught with my pants down.
 

Dime

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I never thought that far into it I guess like, now thinking yea, you're completely right.. I didn't think about the dry bud at all, I figured it was ded... o well... lol smh... yea, I guess iso will not do much then.. need bleach 109% of the time.
From what I know about viroid if it has viroid and it touches anything it spreads. There's a period there I guess too, it spreads on everything...
Not that I am showing signs of anything it's more of a learning experience rn for me.
I Wana be ready if I need any of this. I dont Wana get caught with my pants down.
I've never run across it myself,where does it come from?
 

joepotsmoker

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I've never run across it myself,where does it come from?
Idk where exactly it comes from, like how it all started.
But it's just from a sick plant, in my experience the viroid will show on a plant and it like makes half the plant wimpy, it don't kill but it stunts.
Viroid comes from a plant with it already,
Seeds can carry viroid from the mother.
I expect everything to have viroid atm till I get the hood and can test stuff.
Well technically tribes said it,
U can test the roots but if I can't fix it I don't Wana worry yet. Idk I'm babbling, sorry lol
There's companies you can send your roots to, I havent done it yet but my friend does, thats how I found out.
 

Dime

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Idk where exactly it comes from, like how it all started.
But it's just from a sick plant, in my experience the viroid will show on a plant and it like makes half the plant wimpy, it don't kill but it stunts.
Viroid comes from a plant with it already,
Seeds can carry viroid from the mother.
I expect everything to have viroid atm till I get the hood and can test stuff.
Well technically tribes said it,
U can test the roots but if I can't fix it I don't Wana worry yet. Idk I'm babbling, sorry lol
There's companies you can send your roots to, I havent done it yet but my friend does, thats how I found out.
Thx, that's interesting, is it indoor and outdoor? I've always found if your plant isn't doing well put it outside and mother nature will revive it and show you how it's done
 

joepotsmoker

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Also your plant can be carrying viroid and never show it, itncan lay dormant from what I've heard and you'll never know, one day conditio s are just right and boom...essentially I guess..
Viroid is something you will and can spread if it's there, no option, thats why tribes is doin cloning that way I'd imagine, bc he knows what doesnt have viroid.. then theres ones u picked up that arent tested yet, viroid will grab stainless steel, plastic anything but bleach basically. it's hard to keep viroid away unless it's totally gone. From what I've read... my knowledge is theory you could say atm.. and I thought iso on my gloves was good enough till 5 mins ago, lol 😆 😅 I'm still learning lol
 

Dime

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So what you need is clean seeds and never buy clones, I got mites once from clones and that was the last time i introduced them to my grow
 
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