Static IP Addresses

[Fidel Castro]

Simply by opening this thread and loading this image:

Google knows your IP address, and could have logged it (if they were in the law enforcement business). If I posted a photo on my own server and logged server stats I would have your IP address. If I linked to a web site with "Google Analytics" on it and you followed the link I would have your IP address.

A few years ago this didn't even matter, IP addresses were still 99% anonymous. But now many of us have static IPs, and many ISPs log IP addresses because it doesn't really take any extra work.

Google Analytics nailed my town (population < 2,000) just from knowing my IP address. Then I called my ISP inquiring about the owner of my IP address and they gave my a range (based on the last few numbers of the IP address) and narrowed it down to almost the block that I live on!

Very scary stuff of you ask me. I always avoid following links off threads here unless they link to youtube or another common site. But to make us safer ICMAG shouldn't allow "IMG" tags that link to external sites.

 

[GMT]

at first I was going to say so why post it then, but it does raise a good security point. I've opened a few threads with larger pictures in them and checked the properties of the pictures and sure enough they are hosted offsite. I think, (if it's easily doable, I'm not a techie so not sure of that) that ( if the other site does get the users IP and not this sites IP (which if this site requests the pictures seems possible to me (but see the previous disclaimer))) it would be a good idea to prevent this type of post.

 

[Fidel Castro]

The server hosting the image will definitely get the users IP, not icmag's. If you view the source code of this page (different ways to do it depending on your browser) the code links directly to google and not through a proxy on icmag.

 

[Guest]

ICMAG shouldn't allow "IMG" tags that link to external sites.

Agreed..good post.

Peace, hhf

 

[HappyHemphog]

If you use FireFox you can block webpages from loading images not on the same domain as the page. This prevents that from happening. You can also specify servers you will accept off site, like an image hosting server.

As far as getting my IP address, this is one of the reasons why I use Tor. They get an IP from Europe usually.

Edit: About that static IP, I don't know of a single ISP that issues static IPs without paying extra. True, on cable they assign you a specific IP that usually doesn't change until they remap the IP pool. But you are not guaranteed the IP will stay, hence a static IP whereby your ISP, for a fee, will guarantee you always get the IP you pay for.

For DSL, you get a new IP from a pool assigned to your area each time you connect. Rarely will it be the same.

 

[Fidel Castro]

I guess I didnt mean static IP by exact definition, I just mean a lot of times you're connected for days at a time with the same IP, and always use a similar one. It doesn't take much for the ISP to log all that. Even DSL can be traced back to an individual if your ISP helps out LEOs.

Using a proxy is the safest way to go, but I don't think icmag should just expect everyone to use a proxy. It would probably only take them a minute to stop external IMG links... they're rarely used anyway

 

[Verite]

And if google really cared they would do what everyone else does, and thats nix offsite redirects just like flickr, etc.

The bottom line has always been left to the ISP's to keep customer information private from any link to IP addresses [ thru court order ] and so far they have done just fine. If they hadnt the public at large would know about the violations in privacy and what ISP's were giving up personal info without court orders.

The privacy laws arent likely to change regarding personal customer information and IP address linking so the fear of reprisal at this moment is none, theres plenty more to fear than offsite linking that I can think of.

 

[Guest]

i agree

 

[Fidel Castro]

you said it yourself there, ISPs cant give out personal info "without court orders." How hard would it be for the DEA to get a warrant if they had linked 1 user on ICMAG to 1 specific IP address? They'd have their warrint in a few hours, and then you'd get a knock at your door.... but I guess you've got plenty more to fear than that.

 

[Guest]

real fucking hard guy...i have been posting hell of pics for years i just change account every 6 months to a year...never a knock at my door...my ip address is changed often and i have lots of other connections that arent mine wireless Internet...bottom line if there was really something to fear in pic posting i would have experienced it already i have been doing nothing but posting pics for along time now...here is one for you now

you said it yourself there, ISPs cant give out personal info "without court orders." How hard would it be for the DEA to get a warrant if they had linked 1 user on ICMAG to 1 specific IP address? They'd have their warrint in a few hours, and then you'd get a knock at your door.... but I guess you've got plenty more to fear than that.

 

[Verite]

you said it yourself there, ISPs cant give out personal info "without court orders." How hard would it be for the DEA to get a warrant if they had linked 1 user on ICMAG to 1 specific IP address? They'd have their warrint in a few hours, and then you'd get a knock at your door.... but I guess you've got plenty more to fear than that.

How hard is it? Apparently real fuckin hard if they havent done it so far since the begining of the internet. Do you seriously think the only thing keeping the DEA from knocking on your door is they dont have your IP address? If you do you really shouldnt be on the internet at all.

So could the DEA get a warrant to get my information and bust me? Sure, as easily as I could get a lawyer to prove they violated my rights on numerous counts to get any evidence.

 

[Fidel Castro]

brainthor: that pic is hosted on icmag, the danger is not posting but LOADING pics from other servers. example:

If you can see the pic above, the DEA has your IP address. If you're using a proxy, or another persons connection then you don't have much to worry about. But if you have a static IP (notice the title of the thread) you are in serious danger. All you have to do is type in http://[my static IP] and you can see my webserver.

Sorry if I dont want the DEA to know my identity.

verite: you are in denial. people get busted from traced IPs every day... heres a kid who even used a proxy: http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/166449.html

but you could just "get a lawyer to prove they violated my rights on numerous counts to get any evidence"... that sounds like a fun time! I love going to jail and paying lawyers.

 

[KharmaGirl]

Sure they do. Even after the OG fiasco there is no proof of any busts happening due to pics and IP's. That link is nearly irrelevant, it's about a kid doing bomb threats. After all the shootings, of course that is about the stupidest thing anyone could do. If you have proof that none of us have ever had about growers getting busted due to posting pics online, please post it. Until then, I'm still not worried. Heck, I post my city even. And if the cops are at your door, you are going to need a lawyer anyways. Might as well get him to fight like Verite said.

 

[Fidel Castro]

OG never logged IPs, so that would not have happened. Even if the DEA started an investigation from just knowing your IP address you'd probably never know it unless you went through a long expensive trial. (over 99% of cases dont even go to trial and are settled with plea bargins)

edit:I cant defend my position when I can only post 10 times in 24 hours

 

[Babbabud]

Your equating bomb threats with growing pot ..... thats like apples and potatoes ... totally different. Now show us a link where any grower has even been hassled over pics on one of thses site. Instead of just throwing fear around show sum proof of anything ever taking place that had to do with pot or stop posting about it .

 

[KharmaGirl]

Again...... please provide proof or stop claiming things that have never happened. Anything is possible, but not probable. I'd even go so far as to post up my IP, but I am more afraid of some kiddie hacking then I am the FBI.

 

[Babbabud]

OG never logged IPs, so that would not have happened. Even if the DEA started an investigation from just knowing your IP address you'd probably never know it unless you went through a long expensive trial. (over 99% of cases dont even go to trial and are settled with plea bargins)

Post one case that started by taking someones IP off of a site like this ??

 

[hamstring]

I say let the guy have his thread not that anyone said they would close it down.

We talk about all kind of crazy, paranoid things on this site, which I love. If you choose to believe him and see it as a problem just use a Proxy or go elsewhere if it really starts eating at you.

That’s why this site exists so we can have free speech about something we love. He is not personally attacking anyone or talking about guns, dealing, selling of product etc.

I really hope we let this thread run its course and I have confidence that the mods will do just that.

If it is truly a duck we will find out.

PEACE

 

[Fidel Castro]

I never claimed that IPs HAD been used in drug cases, only that they COULD be used.

They're used in piracy cases, fraud cases, sex crimes, violent crimes... whats stopping the feds from using IPs for drug crimes? Have they already? I dont know

but check out: http://www.ip-adress.com/ this is so close to my house it's scary... why should we let people collect our IP addresses?

 

[Babbabud]

Well you still have 3 post left today but we still see now evidence of anyone being hassled, for MJ, through IP collection. You seem to want to equate bombs with mj and that is just not the same.
I checked out your locator and for me it hits a place over 200 miles away. The location of a very large provider. Beings my IP is not static doesnt even make a diff. When i reboot my dsl my ip changes but the locator still just finds my provider ...housed many many miles from me. So it still comes down to the feds having to want to get a warrant for some pics they arent really even sure are mine or just something im postin on the internet. Not really sure what your scared of, considering , just to start with , we find no evidence of the DEA or the FBI wanting to hunt down growers in this manner. People are now aware but as far as statements like "so if you can see these pics the DEA has your address" are unwarranted and just fear mongering. Please do not post statements as the one above unless you can show us proof as it does no one any good to post hearsay or untruths. Thanks