spinosad

[mr underhill]

use the spinosad in your soil and spray the environment, especially the floor under the pots.
spray the plant with H202/alcohol/canola or detergent. Break the cycle in the root zone, you break the cycle on the plant. The h202 spray will fry adults and plant born nymphs, repeat the spray every 3 to 5 days until all the eggs are hatched and killed. Should only take one soil application to kill the larvae.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

And there's that rigid idealism right on schedule.

Ask every smoker you see for the next week if they want weed sprayed with nothing or whatever it is you choose other than nothing.

Common sense should not be considered idealism.

 

[Mikell]

Yeah sure. Then I'll ask them about the food they eat that is sprayed up until the day of harvest, post harvest and during transport.

The worst thing a cannabis grower has ever done is miles away from best practice in literally any other industry that produces consumable products.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Yeah sure. Then I'll ask them about the food they eat that is sprayed up until the day of harvest, post harvest and during transport.

The worst thing a cannabis grower has ever done is miles away from best practice in literally any other industry that produces consumable products.

I agree completely. There are several people in the food industry that should be locked up for what had happened to our food supply.

They all need cleaned up. I see no reason to treat cannabis in any similar way.

 

[Crooked8]

I personally wash my buds with clean water about a week prior to harvest. Very lightly. But have you seen what builds up on literally any surface in a room over 8-9weeks. Take a nug, dry, and let it sit out in your room and inspect it with a microscope before and after the 9 weeks. You will be disgusted by how much dust, soot, whatever you can imagine ends up on it. I dont wanna smoke that. I think spraying during flower with products that arent harsh chemicals shouldnt be so frowned upon. What if someone gets mites during week 3 or 4 in an outdoor scenario? Should they just throw it all away because they are too proud to treat? Im lost there. Id happily spray green clean and finish with clean water after a couple treatments and call it a day.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I personally wash my buds with clean water about a week prior to harvest. Very lightly. But have you seen what builds up on literally any surface in a room over 8-9weeks. Take a nug, dry, and let it sit out in your room and inspect it with a microscope before and after the 9 weeks. You will be disgusted by how much dust, soot, whatever you can imagine ends up on it. I dont wanna smoke that. I think spraying during flower with products that arent harsh chemicals shouldnt be so frowned upon. What if someone gets mites during week 3 or 4 in an outdoor scenario? Should they just throw it all away because they are too proud to treat? Im lost there. Id happily spray green clean and finish with clean water after a couple treatments and call it a day.

How does a clean room with clean plants get mites?

 

[moose eater]

I personally wash my buds with clean water about a week prior to harvest. Very lightly. But have you seen what builds up on literally any surface in a room over 8-9weeks. Take a nug, dry, and let it sit out in your room and inspect it with a microscope before and after the 9 weeks. You will be disgusted by how much dust, soot, whatever you can imagine ends up on it. I dont wanna smoke that. I think spraying during flower with products that arent harsh chemicals shouldnt be so frowned upon. What if someone gets mites during week 3 or 4 in an outdoor scenario? Should they just throw it all away because they are too proud to treat? Im lost there. Id happily spray green clean and finish with clean water after a couple treatments and call it a day.

345 cfm per 4x4 box from (3) 115 cfm muffin fans, pulling through (4) 3"x14" vents, and exiting via (3) 4-1/8" diameter outlets does away with a LOT of residuals in the air, after which the effluent is scrubbed in a 460 cfm custom carbon box with pleated MERV 8 filters.

I haven't had to use Spinosad /Spinosaid on my ganja in a long time now, but I use a prophylactic of Gnatrol WDG and either Myco-Stop, Actinovate, or Pre-Stop in the soilless mixes I put together, right off the bat..

I have, in the last 4-5 months, used Spinosad on my younger son's grapefruit tree in the living room, for the ugly and prolific root aphids.. Azamax, too; though I nolonger use Azamax on anything we're eating or smoking.

Yes, keeping a grow area clean is paramount, and I've had folks tell me that mine (and my system) is far cleaner than most they have seen. But if you're bringing in organics/amendments, whether commercial or local, there's going to sometimes be pests in them, nearly guaranteed.

You can affect how good a foot-hold they grab onto, but they will occasionally show up, regardless.

When I was visiting in Oz, I was told that Spinosad was discovered at the Bundaberg Rum Distillery, where they had a grand-fathered effluent running out to the tide mark, exiting the distillery. I was told that someone had found lots of dead bugs in that effluent, and began researching 'why.'

Spinosad is a bacterial organism, and thus far it's been effective for thrips for me, though, as stated, I haven't used it in a while, and, once again, I -never- spray anything, not even water, on my flowers even a third of the way through bloom. There are reports that urge caution when using Spinosad in HIGHER or more frequent amounts/applications.

 

[Mikell]

How does a clean room with clean plants get mites?

The grower is typically the vector, specifically (carried them in on clothing) or broadly (poor cultural control).

Oi, you should see what commercialized cannabis in Canada looks like. Irradiation is the cherry on the shitstain sundae.

 

[Hookahhead]

From: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/spinosadgen.html#body

What is spinosad?

Spinosad is a natural substance made by a soil bacterium that can be toxic to insects. It is a mixture of two chemicals called spinosyn A and spinosyn D. It is used to control a wide variety of pests. These include thrips, leafminers, spider mites, mosquitoes, ants, fruit flies and others.

Spinosad has been registered for use in pesticides by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) since 1997.

What are some products that contain spinosad?

Currently, spinosad is found in over 80 registered pesticide products. Many of these are used on agricultural crops and ornamental plants. Others are used in and around buildings, in aquatic settings, and as seed treatments. These products are commonly sprays, dusts, granules, and pellets. Some of these products are approved for use in organic agriculture.

Spinosad is also found in some drugs regulated by the US Food and Drug Administration. These products are used to control head lice on people and fleas on dogs and cats.

Always follow label instructions and take steps to avoid exposure. If any exposures occur, be sure to follow the First Aid instructions on the product label carefully. For additional treatment advice, contact the Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222. If you wish to discuss a pesticide problem, please call 1-800-858-7378.

How does spinosad work?

Spinosad affects the nervous system of insects that eat or touch it. It causes their muscles to flex uncontrollably. This leads to paralysis and ultimately their death, typically within 1-2 days.

How might I be exposed to spinosad?

People are most commonly exposed to very low levels of spinosad through their diet. Exposure can also occur if you breathe it in or get it on your skin or eyes. For example, this can occur while applying sprays or dusts during windy conditions. This can also happen after using a product if you don’t wash your hands before eating or smoking. You can limit your exposure and reduce the risk by carefully following the label instructions.

What are some signs and symptoms from a brief exposure to spinosad?

Spinosad is low in toxicity to people and other mammals. However, if it gets on your skin or in your eyes it can cause irritation and redness. In one study, 28 dogs were fed low to moderate doses of spinosad. One dog that received a moderate dose vomited. No effects related to spinosad were observed in the other dogs.

What happens to spinosad when it enters the body?

When eaten, spinosad is readily absorbed. Once inside it moves to many areas of the body and is broken down. The majority leaves the body in feces or urine within 1-2 days. Spinosad is absorbed poorly through skin contact.

Is spinosad likely to contribute to the development of cancer?

No. In multiple studies, animals were fed low to moderate amounts of spinosad in their diet for 1.5 to 2 years. No increased incidence of cancer was observed. Moreover, spinosad has not been found to alter or damage genes. As a result of these experiments, the EPA has classified spinosad as not likely to cause cancer.

Has anyone studied non-cancer effects from long-term exposure to spinosad?

In one study, dogs were fed low doses of spinosad for one year. Effects to gland and immune cells and increases in some proteins and fats in the blood were observed.

Scientists have also tested whether spinosad causes developmental or reproductive effects in rats and rabbits. In these studies, animals were fed low to moderate doses daily throughout their lives or during their pregnancies. Effects were only observed at the highest doses. These included lower body weights and effects to some organs. Abnormal vaginal bleeding, more difficult labors, and abortions were also observed in some pregnant animals at the highest doses tested. No direct effects to their offspring occurred at any dose level.

The EPA limits the levels of pesticides, including spinosad, allowed on food. Due to this, it is unlikely that individuals would be exposed to spinosad at levels this high through their diet.

Are children more sensitive to spinosad than adults?

Children may be especially sensitive to pesticides compared to adults. However, there are currently no data showing that children have increased sensitivity specifically to spinosad.

What happens to spinosad in the environment?

Spinosad is broken down rapidly by sunlight. In the presence of sunlight, half-lives on leaves are 2 to 16 days and less than one day in water. When applied to leaves, some spinosad can be absorbed. However, it does not readily spread from leaves to the rest of the plant. In the absence of sunlight, spinosad breaks down very slowly in water. Half-lives of more than 30 days to 259 days have been reported. However, it binds rapidly to sediment. The halflife in sediment, where no oxygen is available, ranges from 161 to 250 days.

Spinosad also sticks to soil and has a very low potential to move through soil towards ground water. In field studies, no break down products of spinosad were found below a soil depth of two feet. In the top layers of soil, spinosad is rapidly broken down by microbes. Soil half-lives of 9 to 17 days have been reported. After it is applied, spinosad is not likely to become airborne.

Can spinosad affect birds, fish, or other wildlife?

Spinosad is practically non-toxic to moderately toxic to fish depending on the species. It is slightly to moderately toxic to aquatic invertebrates. However, spinosad is very highly toxic to eastern oysters. Spinosad is practically non-toxic to slightly toxic to birds, based on studies with bobwhite quail and mallard ducks. It is moderately toxic to earthworms. Spinosad is very highly toxic to bees. However, evidence suggests that spinosad has little or no effect on honey bees and other beneficial insects after sprays have dried.

Where can I get more information?

For more detailed information about spinosad please visit the list of referenced resources or call the National Pesticide Information Center, Monday - Friday, between 8:00am - 12:00pm Pacific Time (11:00am - 3:00pm Eastern Time) at 1-800-858-7378 or visit us on the web at https://npic.orst.edu. NPIC provides objective, science-based answers to questions about pesticides.
People are most commonly exposed to very low levels of spinosad through their diet. Exposure can also occur if you breathe it in or get it on your skin or eyes. For example, this can occur while applying sprays or dusts during windy conditions. This can also happen after using a product if you don’t wash your hands before eating or smoking. You can limit your exposure and reduce the risk by carefully following the label instructions.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

From: https://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/spinosadgen.html#body

What is spinosad?

Spinosad is a natural substance made by a soil bacterium that can be toxic to insects. It is a mixture of two chemicals called spinosyn A and spinosyn D. It is used to control a wide variety of pests. These include thrips, leafminers, spider mites, mosquitoes, ants, fruit flies and others.

Spinosad has been registered for use in pesticides by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) since 1997.

What are some products that contain spinosad?

Currently, spinosad is found in over 80 registered pesticide products. Many of these are used on agricultural crops and ornamental plants. Others are used in and around buildings, in aquatic settings, and as seed treatments. These products are commonly sprays, dusts, granules, and pellets. Some of these products are approved for use in organic agriculture.

Spinosad is also found in some drugs regulated by the US Food and Drug Administration. These products are used to control head lice on people and fleas on dogs and cats.

Always follow label instructions and take steps to avoid exposure. If any exposures occur, be sure to follow the First Aid instructions on the product label carefully. For additional treatment advice, contact the Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222. If you wish to discuss a pesticide problem, please call 1-800-858-7378.

How does spinosad work?

Spinosad affects the nervous system of insects that eat or touch it. It causes their muscles to flex uncontrollably. This leads to paralysis and ultimately their death, typically within 1-2 days.

How might I be exposed to spinosad?

People are most commonly exposed to very low levels of spinosad through their diet. Exposure can also occur if you breathe it in or get it on your skin or eyes. For example, this can occur while applying sprays or dusts during windy conditions. This can also happen after using a product if you don’t wash your hands before eating or smoking. You can limit your exposure and reduce the risk by carefully following the label instructions.

What are some signs and symptoms from a brief exposure to spinosad?

Spinosad is low in toxicity to people and other mammals. However, if it gets on your skin or in your eyes it can cause irritation and redness. In one study, 28 dogs were fed low to moderate doses of spinosad. One dog that received a moderate dose vomited. No effects related to spinosad were observed in the other dogs.

What happens to spinosad when it enters the body?

When eaten, spinosad is readily absorbed. Once inside it moves to many areas of the body and is broken down. The majority leaves the body in feces or urine within 1-2 days. Spinosad is absorbed poorly through skin contact.

Is spinosad likely to contribute to the development of cancer?

No. In multiple studies, animals were fed low to moderate amounts of spinosad in their diet for 1.5 to 2 years. No increased incidence of cancer was observed. Moreover, spinosad has not been found to alter or damage genes. As a result of these experiments, the EPA has classified spinosad as not likely to cause cancer.

Has anyone studied non-cancer effects from long-term exposure to spinosad?

In one study, dogs were fed low doses of spinosad for one year. Effects to gland and immune cells and increases in some proteins and fats in the blood were observed.

Scientists have also tested whether spinosad causes developmental or reproductive effects in rats and rabbits. In these studies, animals were fed low to moderate doses daily throughout their lives or during their pregnancies. Effects were only observed at the highest doses. These included lower body weights and effects to some organs. Abnormal vaginal bleeding, more difficult labors, and abortions were also observed in some pregnant animals at the highest doses tested. No direct effects to their offspring occurred at any dose level.

The EPA limits the levels of pesticides, including spinosad, allowed on food. Due to this, it is unlikely that individuals would be exposed to spinosad at levels this high through their diet.

Are children more sensitive to spinosad than adults?

Children may be especially sensitive to pesticides compared to adults. However, there are currently no data showing that children have increased sensitivity specifically to spinosad.

What happens to spinosad in the environment?

Spinosad is broken down rapidly by sunlight. In the presence of sunlight, half-lives on leaves are 2 to 16 days and less than one day in water. When applied to leaves, some spinosad can be absorbed. However, it does not readily spread from leaves to the rest of the plant. In the absence of sunlight, spinosad breaks down very slowly in water. Half-lives of more than 30 days to 259 days have been reported. However, it binds rapidly to sediment. The halflife in sediment, where no oxygen is available, ranges from 161 to 250 days.

Spinosad also sticks to soil and has a very low potential to move through soil towards ground water. In field studies, no break down products of spinosad were found below a soil depth of two feet. In the top layers of soil, spinosad is rapidly broken down by microbes. Soil half-lives of 9 to 17 days have been reported. After it is applied, spinosad is not likely to become airborne.

Can spinosad affect birds, fish, or other wildlife?

Spinosad is practically non-toxic to moderately toxic to fish depending on the species. It is slightly to moderately toxic to aquatic invertebrates. However, spinosad is very highly toxic to eastern oysters. Spinosad is practically non-toxic to slightly toxic to birds, based on studies with bobwhite quail and mallard ducks. It is moderately toxic to earthworms. Spinosad is very highly toxic to bees. However, evidence suggests that spinosad has little or no effect on honey bees and other beneficial insects after sprays have dried.

Where can I get more information?

For more detailed information about spinosad please visit the list of referenced resources or call the National Pesticide Information Center, Monday - Friday, between 8:00am - 12:00pm Pacific Time (11:00am - 3:00pm Eastern Time) at 1-800-858-7378 or visit us on the web at https://npic.orst.edu. NPIC provides objective, science-based answers to questions about pesticides.
People are most commonly exposed to very low levels of spinosad through their diet. Exposure can also occur if you breathe it in or get it on your skin or eyes. For example, this can occur while applying sprays or dusts during windy conditions. This can also happen after using a product if you don’t wash your hands before eating or smoking. You can limit your exposure and reduce the risk by carefully following the label instructions.

What happens when smoked or dabbed?

 

[Crooked8]

How does a clean room with clean plants get mites?

“In an outdoor scenario”

 

[Hookahhead]

What happens when smoked or dabbed?

Like most things that are combusted, it most likely decomposes into other chemicals. Unfortunately, I have no idea what they are or what their effects on your health are.

Sadly this thread has turned into a debate whether OP should spray or not, rather than answering his question directly. The information I posted was in response to the very first post, not all the bashing that came after. From the published research, it appears that spinosad is a safe pesticide when used correctly. I base this off it’s relatively short half life, and minimal side effects. Feel free to do what you want in your own garden, but people tend to be resistant when you force your morals on others.

 

[Crooked8]

Like most things that are combusted, it most likely decomposes into other chemicals. Unfortunately, I have no idea what they are or what their effects on your health are.

Sadly this thread has turned into a debate whether OP should spray or not, rather than answering his question directly. The information I posted was in response to the very first post, not all the bashing that came after. From the published research, it appears that spinosad is a safe pesticide when used correctly. I base this off it’s relatively short half life, and minimal side effects. Feel free to do what you want in your own garden, but people tend to be resistant when you force your morals on others.

Very well put!