"Spain is taking a Prohibitionist view on substance abuse"

[Sideshow-Bob]

it's sickening to see in which direction the spanish government is heading

there is an unemployment rate among the youth of over 50%, cannabis was one of the few industries were young people could find hope for a better future - they were bringing in money from the rest of europe/world. Now they are being forced back into being crimiminals, without a chance of finding employment anytime soon. This is going to make everything worse, in the end it will even affect tourism because criminality in the streets is going to rise and tourists will stay away more and more.

and then what? nearly seems like they are trying to provoke a disturbance, so that they can end it by military force and once again establish a glorious state/system based on oppression, control and violance...

i don't think the spanish people will take this, they won't forget what was achieved in the last 40 years!

and they won't forget the feeling that they shared when they stood at the puerta del sol and the whole crowd rose their voice in unity!

 

[ahortator]

Hi

Not only Catalonia and Baque Country were enslaved by Franco and the monarchy.

It is not strange that Spanish government leads us toward fascism.

Popular Party government honours Spanish fascists in Hitler’s army
By Alejandro López
23 May 2013

Last Saturday, the government delegate in Catalonia of Spain’s Popular Party (PP) government, María de los Llanos de Luna, handed a diploma of honour to a representative of the Brotherhood of Combatants of the Blue Division (Hermandad de Combatientes de la División Azul).

The Blue Division was a unit of Spanish volunteers that served in the German Army on the Eastern Front during the Second World War. The Brotherhood is composed of veterans of the unit, family members and revisionist historians involved in a project to rehabilitate the fascist regime of General Francisco Franco.

The Brotherhood was one of 30 civilian and military associations invited to an event hosted by the Civil Guard in Barcelona commemorating the Guard’s 169th anniversary. Also present were Civil Guard General Chief Ángel Gozalo, Commander in Chief of Barcelona Francisco Barreiro, and the mayor of Sant Andreu de la Barca, where the ceremony was held, Socialist Party (PSOE) member Enric Llorca.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/23/spai-m23.html

But the worst thing is that this government was elected by people that gave their vote to the PP party, and all the people here knows that they are corrupt and fascist. Most members of that party (along with the PSOE, the Spanish social-democratic party ) are in court and well known to be involved in corruption felonies. And not only law allow them to be elected but many people even votes for them. That is the saddest thing.

Another "pearl". This country is insane.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotla...hammered-off-franco-plaque-in-court-1-3233549

Best regards.

 

[stasis]

Wow.. Crazy stuff. I sometimes got a VERY weird vibe in Spain. But usually it was all good. Been all around the country... NW to SE. Liked Barcelona best.

 

[sprinkl]

Corrupt government + huge debts to central bank = broke-ass country, with fascist regulations being implemented very swiftly :/ This is the main reason of the crisis all over Europe... Most taxes we pay go to repaying intrest on those debts. Debts on fake value money that is simply being printed. It's insane if you think about it. Why the hell would government officials that are supposed to serve the country accept to take such loans? Because they're no longer serving the country or its people. It's all about the personal gain: increased political power and money. At the expense of millions of hardworking people.

 

[ElRubio]

this is from yestarday. Sad news.

Another evidence of the Government double morality.

Whilst a lot of CSC are being opening througout Spain, this family inna small village in Vigo (Galicia, NW), is near to lose their house cause they have to face a 9.600 € penalty fine for growing just ONE cannabis plant. They have heard that only one plant was legal or at least, tolerated. Obviously, they were wrong.

http://www.farodevigo.es/comarcas/2014/01/23/arruinados-planta-marihuana/952941.html

Feel ashamed of having this injustice in Europe in 2014.
Like a popular song said: [...] "Pero alguien debe tirar del gatillo!! but someone has to pull the trigger!!" Barricada.

 

[bombadil.360]

Spain has always been weird... the country only became a "developed" nation thanks to all the natural resources stolen from the Americas. Lets not even get into what they did in the Americas anyway...

at least the British went to the Americas to make a new life; unlike the Spanish, that just wanted to go, steal all they could and leave. which is the determining difference on why the English speaking Americas is so much different than the Spanish speaking Americas.

Western Europe has always been weird to say the least... sucks for the good people in Spain, imo, they should leave for better pastures, as it will get worst as time passes, they have no where to steal from anymore to keep up their "economy", if you can call it that, except from their own people.

 

[ElRubio]

Cannot agreed with your analysis bombadil.360

british went to make new life only? dont think so, ask the american native people what they think about that subject.

All of them did the same. British did it in India and Africa, French, Germany, etc...All of them stole, burned and loathed other nations. But we´re going too back in the timeline, aren´t we?

If we hadn´t this stupid and selfish governors and politicians the thing would be very different here. Keep in mind that our main natural resource, our petrol here, is the turism. If we could push all togheter here to regulate the CSC, im sure Spain will be more and more visited every year, which means a huge source of incomes.

Thanks for your input!
Best vibes

 

[bombadil.360]

Hola ElRubio

the British that went to the Americas went there looking for religious freedom and to settle over there, to make a new life for themselves; these are not the same British that went to India and other places; the British that went to India are the same that the British settlers in the Americas fought; food for thought.

The Spanish never had the intention of staying in the Americas, they simply saw the place as a source of wealth, but not as a place to make a life. This is why you see so many Mulatos, because the Spanish would fuck everything that moved, they just did not give a fuck... the proportion of Mulatos compared to the U.S, for example, is extremely low, more food for thought.

there are many historians in South America that have made these points; basically, the British went to Colonize, while the Spanish went to Conquer.

Spain is a beautiful country, and now that the gold has run out, it is tourism time I guess...

peace

 

[ElRubio]

^^true that, but...

I actually think (if i remember well from History 101 classes) that all of them did the same. Sure the brithis (pilgrims) go there for religions issues, but how they ended up? With a strong war, colony versus empire.

i´m not here to justify the spanish genocide in America, sure, it was terrible, and really feel ashamed for that, but i would also point out that all the Empires did more or less the same. They enforced other people and nations to its Laws and when they didn´t obey they were just wiped out.

Regarding to the spanish genocide in America, there is chapter in the following book which i consider is so accurate:

Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Dimaond.

I do not totally agree with the author´s thesis, but there´s a part in the book where he explains very well detailed some parts of this genocide. (The Battle of Cajamarca). How two or three hundred of conquerors and looters spaniards could defeat a 4000 - 5000 men army of Atahualpa. Those poor americans thought that spaniards were devils, even they hadn´t seen a horse yet, so go figure what they think...

Hasta luego!

PS: please, sorry in advanced for my spelling mistakes. im not a native speaker as you could guess, and i find a lil diff to keep a conversation bout history rigth now in english heheh. But thanks anyway for reading and answering.

 

[Moppel]

interesting guys...but youre going off topic.

Worrying is the fact that inet created the illusion that Spain is a grow walhalla....i hve said many times its a inetmyth. They still search public transport busses here , very frequently, with dogs and shit to bust a few smokers or when lucky ,find few kilos pot. Not in once my whole life i have seen this happening in holland.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

interesting guys...but youre going off topic.

Worrying is the fact that inet created the illusion that Spain is a grow walhalla....i hve said many times its a inetmyth. They still search public transport busses here , very frequently, with dogs and shit to bust a few smokers or when lucky ,find few kilos pot. Not in once my whole life i have seen this happening in holland.

I was under the impression that the privacy laws are such in Spain, that what you do in your home is your business as long as you are not dealing....I guess not.

 

[bombadil.360]

ElRubio, your english is good bro, and it is easy to improve it here at the forums talking nonsense I understand you have no intention of justifying the genocide in the Americas, and also I think you should not feel ashamed because you did not do anything.

my point was basically that Spain has never really been a bastion of freedom, and I, like Moppel, have always thought that the whole idea of Spain being such a Free and forward thinking country was more propaganda than actual fact.

but anyways, Moppel is also right in that I have gone way off topic, sorry!

hopefully there will be a time soon when we can sit outside eating paella, listening to some gypsy flamenco and blazing joints of Cantarela without any worries!

peace!

 

[bonecarver_OG]

ElRubio, your english is good bro, and it is easy to improve it here at the forums talking nonsense I understand you have no intention of justifying the genocide in the Americas, and also I think you should not feel ashamed because you did not do anything.

my point was basically that Spain has never really been a bastion of freedom, and I, like Moppel, have always thought that the whole idea of Spain being such a Free and forward thinking country was more propaganda than actual fact.

but anyways, Moppel is also right in that I have gone way off topic, sorry!

hopefully there will be a time soon when we can sit outside eating paella, listening to some gypsy flamenco and blazing joints of Cantarela without any worries!

peace!

how could spain be a bastion of freedom, with all the francistas still free, regardless of how many that died. freedom does not exist here outside your house. but yes still you can smoke what you want in a private home. that in it self is not illegal.

spain is still far from countries like SWEDEN where the mere suspicion of drug abuse is a reason for arrest + urine tests or search warrants.

but who knows how it will become here in the future....

anyhow, for spanish legalization issues the great problem we face is the fact the goverments can change legislation when ever they feel like it. since the roots of modern spain grew during the francismo, unfortunatelly a lot of the totalitarian ideas continued and still live on.

its a shame.

peace all

 

[konopenko]

The fight against "war on drugs" is pointless..we should declare open JAH WAR Flags up, ganja smoke in the air and gunz blazzin
http://youtu.be/gX1QhvXeVkI

 

[hydrotek]

Awe this is not great news...I was hoping to move out to Spain...Catalonia to maybe grow a couple of plants but I thought follishly it's was a done deal ???but after reading this it seems it is not so..

More research and a bit of luck.

 

[Moppel]

My point has been proven again....coming out of a smokersclub yesterday , i got stopped by the police around the corner. They took my weed (1.5oz) and i can expect a fine in the mail soon.

 

[ElRubio]

Yep dude, thats the way it works!

Their double moral game again. For one hand they let the clubs blooming everywhere, but on the other hand, they still continue screwing the cannabis users around the corner with those fines.

Hope that fine will be mislaid!

 

[sixixix]

This sucks, I was planning on moving to Spain myself, after being busted by the police here in Norway. They are even trying to take my driving license away, even though I`ve never driven under the influence or having any prior convictions for drugs (or anything else for that matter). The legal system here is not too harsh on cannabis-related crimes, so the police has decided to take matters into their own hands, using a vaguely defined paragraph to take peoples licenses without taking the case via the courts.

It always seemed like Spain was the best country for someone wanting nice weather, nice people and the ability to grow cannabis without always watching over your shoulder... Seems like I`m back to square one again, which is sad. I really looked forward to this

 

[Moppel]

This sucks, I was planning on moving to Spain myself, after being busted by the police here in Norway. They are even trying to take my driving license away, even though I`ve never driven under the influence or having any prior convictions for drugs (or anything else for that matter). The legal system here is not too harsh on cannabis-related crimes, so the police has decided to take matters into their own hands, using a vaguely defined paragraph to take peoples licenses without taking the case via the courts.

It always seemed like Spain was the best country for someone wanting nice weather, nice people and the ability to grow cannabis without always watching over your shoulder... Seems like I`m back to square one again, which is sad. I really looked forward to this

dont let the inet fool ya....

 

[sixixix]

dont let the inet fool ya....

Yeah, I was actually coming on IC today to do some research on the matter, and this thread is the first I stumble upon. Let`s hope the law doesn`t pass, and in the meantime I`ll start looking for other alternatives, because living in Norway is NOT one.