Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[Liven]

It looks like you might be dealing with some kind of pest. A mite or something. If you look at the second pic. It looks like a spider mite, could have made those bites??? My monitor is old and I am not at my good comp. So I could be wrong. But it appears that way on this screen. I will look better when I get back. Hope this helps, not discourages you.

 

[e4ian]

my friend grew g13xecsd,i smoked it several times and put it heads above the nycd, in the yield aspect also.

 

[DRorganic]

dint both original from chemdawg .if so i still need to grow out my chemdawg IBL from rez .
now what i have read it some good smoke.

 

[Bi0hazard]

dint both original from chemdawg .if so i still need to grow out my chemdawg IBL from rez .
now what i have read it some good smoke.

The Chemdog IBL from rez, is Chem D. Check a page or two back for the origination of all the Chem pheno's A,b,c..... 1,2,3,4... etc..

Chem D is a wonderful strain, and has a world class high without a doubt. I haven't tried any of his chemdog IBL's but have heard good things. You will be very happy with the Chem D: the Smell, Taste, personality of the high and potency. It's a great medical strain, I assume there is some good CBD rates in there, and maybe some other cannabinoids - although that part is just speculation. I've never checked into it's levels.

Post up a smoke report if you go for the Chemdog IBL's =]

 

[Liven]

I believe all the IBL's are only f2's that make them pop the same. But that's not a true IBL.

 

[BudZad7]

Ferts used ??

Ferts used ??

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[Bi0hazard]

I believe all the IBL's are only f2's that make them pop the same. But that's not a true IBL.

Yes, supposedly Rez crossed the ECSD cut to an Afghani to help stabilize it, says Danny Danko. Making it an F2 originally rather than a true IBL. But this could be hearsay, eitherway I'm interested to see how the watering down took place.

I do have to say though, out of the Rez beans I've popped. His genetics generally produce very strong plants that grow well. The main beef I have is with the short 30-45 minute high on most of the Sour Diesel IBL's from him... I don't know how much of this changed or was fixed in his latest Sour Diesel IBL releases. There were very few packs of those compared to the 4SD, Chemdog SourDiesel's which he put hundreds of packs up. I wonder if he only did a small seed production of a new Sour Diesel IBL, or if they were the original IBL re-released?

 

[Liven]

Yes, supposedly Rez crossed the ECSD cut to an Afghani to help stabilize it, says Danny Danko. Making it an F2 originally rather than a true IBL. But this could be hearsay, eitherway I'm interested to see how the watering down took place.

I do have to say though, out of the Rez beans I've popped. His genetics generally produce very strong plants that grow well. The main beef I have is with the short 30-45 minute high on most of the Sour Diesel IBL's from him... I don't know how much of this changed or was fixed in his latest Sour Diesel IBL releases. There were very few packs of those compared to the 4SD, Chemdog SourDiesel's which he put hundreds of packs up. I wonder if he only did a small seed production of a new Sour Diesel IBL, or if they were the original IBL re-released?

It is the genetic's Rezdawg's vs. does last only 45 min. When the real cut is 2 hrs. I once got a s.a.g.e packet and one pheno came out almost identical to ECSD, Showing you can use different genetics to produce the same plant. But I think he didnt even truly btread ECSD to a f2 I think he crossed it to make it a stable seed. I mean took at Soma, he bread strain's including dutch genetics calling it NYCD. So I don't trust the word of many big breaders. Also to answer you ? a little. I think he has been trying to IBL ECSD since he started. And is waiting to an f5 before it is released. I mean that would make him rich. Vs. letting people know was trying to create it. With the posiablitly of failing. But it's JMO.

 

[Bi0hazard]

It is the genetic's Rezdawg's vs. does last only 45 min. When the real cut is 2 hrs. I once got a s.a.g.e packet and one pheno came out almost identical to ECSD, Showing you can use different genetics to produce the same plant. But I think he didnt even truly btread ECSD to a f2 I think he crossed it to make it a stable seed. I mean took at Soma, he bread strain's including dutch genetics calling it NYCD. So I don't trust the word of many big breaders. Also to answer you ? a little. I think he has been trying to IBL ECSD since he started. And is waiting to an f5 before it is released. I mean that would make him rich. Vs. letting people know was trying to create it. With the posiablitly of failing. But it's JMO.

Breeders Choice seeds did a very accurate Sour Diesel seed line with their "OurDiesel". I don't know if they still have them for sale, but from what I've heard they isolated a very strong Sour Diesel pheno in their seeds from the ECSD cut.

However, I'm inclined to lean towards what you are saying, with rez making stable seed, rather than a true IBL - which is where I think the Afghani comes into play. I was told by Danny Danko that Rez did have the Legit ECSD cut to work with. Furthermore, Danny gave Rez the KKSC cut so that he could work on an IBL project for that as well. Rez took the cut, never worked on the IBL and just crossed it to Sour Diesel making Strawberry Diesel and DSD. Kind of a lame move to say you will help stabilize something, to just steal it and make your own strain instead.

 

[Liven]

That i would agree with. OurDiesel is what Soma say's NYCD it is bread with. But it has other influence that is dutch genetics. The lineage is this.
O.Diesel Probably x (O.Diesel Probably x Afghani/Hawaiian)
To me that is to many probably's. I just cant trust a seed bank. And it is very lame to state you are going to IBL to stabalize a strain and not even try. I think there are better varieties than Rezdawg's. I think you got me wrong. I feel it is a huge knock off. ECSD is the best, but there are varieties better than Rezdawg's.

 

[Liven]

I tried to up your rep. Because of knowing some big heads. And good knowledge but it wont let me. Even after +ing others. Sorry Bro. Later when I can, I will.

 

[Bi0hazard]

That i would agree with. OurDiesel is what Soma say's NYCD it is bread with. But it has other influence that is dutch genetics. The lineage is this.
O.Diesel Probably x (O.Diesel Probably x Afghani/Hawaiian)
To me that is to many probably's. I just cant trust a seed bank. And it is very lame to state you are going to IBL to stabalize a strain and not even try. I think there are better varieties than Rezdawg's. I think you got me wrong. I feel it is a huge knock off. ECSD is the best, but there are varieties better than Rezdawg's.

Oh, it came through loud and clear. I \agree the Rez IBL doesn't compare to the ECSD cut. I know the 2 - 2 1/2 hour high you are talking about with the real deal ECSD.

Not to confuse things more, but I'm pretty sure O.Diesel is Original Diesel. "Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's as likely that the o.diesel means ourdiesel. That was just a seed line Breeders Choice released for a year, that stabilized a good ECSD pheno from the actual cut. I doubt its an actual IBL, but it has been reported to have a longer high than the rez ibl's. Which is really the only reason I brought it up. It was only for people who couldn't get the cut so they could acquire a taste of the genetics. If you have the ECSD cut - you know how lucky you are. Not much of a need to pop any SD beans. However, getting your hands on the Chemdog collection as well as the TopDawg collection (JJNYC who is the only one who breeds with chemdog).

They have some great strains. Tres Dawg, Stardawg, Purple Waltz etc.

 

[Liven]

No, you are right O.Diesel is the Original Diesel. I just doubt Soma used it. I mean in the lineage of o.g. related crosses this is the only one that is just a posability of the diesel aspects. Vs. Any other cross. If the lineage is unknown, in other strains. It's not the diesel. But maybe an unknown Lr or something.

 

[Liven]

I still have to try the '91 now. I mean I love D so I could only imagine. But I am on this coast when the real cut is in C.O. So maybe some of the Fire from Denver will trickle it's way over here. I am lucky because of who I know and the fact I can grow. Or it might be kinda rough in this state. Props soon to pass. But realisticaly not for a few more years. But if everyone who smokes votes, it's legalized. We just passed it few years ago to have it decriminalized. Where you can have up to an O on you. But that does'nt help when you have a C.L.S. in you house...

 

[Liven]

Oh, it came through loud and clear. I completely agree the Rez IBL is a knock off in comparision to the ECSD cut. It doesn't even compare, I know the 2 - 2 1/2 hour high you are talking about with the real deal ECSD.

Not to confuse things more, but I'm pretty sure O.Diesel is Original Diesel. "Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's as likely that the o.diesel means ourdiesel. That was just a seed line Breeders Choice released for a year, that stabilized a good ECSD pheno from the actual cut. I doubt its an actual IBL, but it has been reported to have a longer high than the rez ibl's. Which is really the only reason I brought it up. It was only for people who couldn't get the cut so they could acquire a taste of the genetics. If you have the ECSD cut - you know how lucky you are. Not much of a need to pop any SD beans. However, getting your hands on the Chemdog collection as well as the TopDawg collection (JJNYC who is the only one who breeds with chemdog).

They have some great strains. Tres Dawg, Stardawg, Purple Waltz etc.

The O.Diesel we keep talking about is the Original chemdawg. Not created then. But considered the original. Like B.B. was created by Dj.Short's in '81, But the Original is '93 94-95 where sick cut's then he worked with dutch passion since 95-96 And has made many variations but the only pure B.B. he redid was the True Blue. So I can see how '91, D, and strait diesel are way different. Also my boy is an older head from OG. And had grown NYCD back then. So I am going to ask if there is a difference between that and Soma's copy. I know he NEVER works dutch or even BC genetics. So I feel this might get more confusing on the NYCD part. When I think of it. He was growing it out in C.O. before I think Soma even released NYCD to the general public. Ok, sorry for the long rant....

 

[Liven]

Also if every one likes ECSD or any S.D. it is because of people like my older growing partner. Who would IBL strain's for many years creating a Lr pheno like Mass Super Skunk. Mass Super Skunk is NOT just a good pheno pick.

Also BIOhazard I can't PM so I posted a message on your wall.

 

[REZDOG]

lessee....
Danko never gave Reservoir ANY clones,KKSC included.
Don't know him personally,never met the guy.

Reservoir Seeds has been constantly breeding with The Sour Diesel and Chemdog Clones longer than anyone on the planet.

Chemdog personally handed me the "Chemdog Family Clones" many years ago,with no restrictions on them. I told him if I deemed anything extraordinary I might choose to work with it,and that was the scope of the conversation. Over the years,Chem's (so-called) online "friends" (read: people with agendas of their own) waged a hate and disinformation campaign designed to make me look like I used the genetics without "permission".
That was proven false years ago when Chemdog posted here,clearly,that I always had "permission",and that had the other guys STFU'ing,chop-chop,and the "controversy" died.

Trivia Fact: I personally coined the term "ECSD" (East Coast Sour Diesel) in a High Times article that I contributed to (wrote part of) when Sour Diesel won "Plant of the Year" several years ago.
Reservoir was also correctly credited in HT at the time as being the originator of the Original,Authentic Sour Diesel IBL seed line,and if I recall correctly,crediting as starting original,authentic Chemdog IBL work,and Reservoir was loved on muchly by HT for the Strawberry Diesel-which,as you can read,is beyond-stellar,delicious strawberry/sour fuel/kick your ass herb!
(I guess it was (ding!)time to practice your "(very) selective memory to the negative",and leave the real,high points out regarding Reservoir's Sour Diesel IBL,eh,bio old chum?)

Sour Diesel needs to run under direct,the higher the power the better HID lights,and flower at 12/12 @5.7-5.8pH for 77+ days for optimum potency,when cut earlier the high is FAR less powerful/ideal.
There's many,many Sour Diesel IBL grow/smoke reports/reviews published that state Sour Diesel IBL's high as very long-lasting,contrary to what biohazard is stating as "fact".
Many people mis-judge The ECSD Clone and Sour Diesel IBL as being "done before its' time" and cut it early. The herb does,to the untrained eye,look done in about 68 days. However,the cannabinoid profile for optimum user friendliness isn't fully peaking until day 77+,and in some cases with the SD IBL,82-83 days until optimum conditions are reached for harvest. Reading "77 days" on a seed pack and then cutting after 77 is a sheer #ROOKIE move and many make that unfortunate mistake.
A good pal of mine cut the ECSD Clone at 67-70ish for two years and always bitched about shortness of high. After me telling him for two years (yes,two bloody years!) to let her go to 77-80 and to date(!!) his fucking plant pots,he finally took my advice and !!PRESTO!! Suddenly he grows uber-potent,kick-ass ECSD! Silly him.

Biohazard (my biggest not-so-subtle critic in this thread,with a minimal post history,etc. Hint. Hint.) shilling/spamming for ** and *****g make his comments extremely suspect as it's clear he's a fanboi of one of my biggest haters-You know,the guy who is always two steps behind Reservoir. That guy.

That said,I welcome a good Sour Diesel/Chemdog/ChemFamily discussion-All the hoopla & interesting (and many-times-revised) stories are a pleasure to sift through just for shits n' gigglez.



Cheers!

 

[Bi0hazard]

lessee....
Danko never gave Reservoir ANY clones,KKSC included.
Don't know him personally,never met the guy.

Reservoir Seeds has been constantly breeding with The Sour Diesel and Chemdog Clones longer than anyone on the planet.

Chemdog personally handed me the "Chemdog Family Clones" many years ago,with no restrictions on them. I told him if I deemed anything extraordinary I might choose to work with it,and that was the scope of the conversation. Over the years,Chem's (so-called) online "friends" (read: people with agendas of their own) waged a hate and disinformation campaign designed to make me look like I used the genetics without "permission".
That was proven false years ago when Chemdog posted here,clearly,that I always had "permission",and that had the other guys STFU'ing,chop-chop,and the "controversy" died.

Trivia Fact: I personally coined the term "ECSD" (East Coast Sour Diesel) in a High Times article that I contributed to (wrote part of) when Sour Diesel won "Plant of the Year" several years ago.
Reservoir was also correctly credited in HT at the time as being the originator of the Original,Authentic Sour Diesel IBL seed line,and if I recall correctly,crediting as starting original,authentic Chemdog IBL work,and Reservoir was loved on muchly by HT for the Strawberry Diesel-which,as you can read,is beyond-stellar,delicious strawberry/sour fuel/kick your ass herb!
(I guess it was (ding!)time to practice your "(very) selective memory to the negative",and leave the real,high points out regarding Reservoir's Sour Diesel IBL,eh,bio old chum?)

Sour Diesel needs to run under direct,the higher the power the better HID lights,and flower at 12/12 @5.7-5.8pH for 77+ days for optimum potency,when cut earlier the high is FAR less powerful/ideal.
There's many,many Sour Diesel IBL grow/smoke reports/reviews published that state Sour Diesel IBL's high as very long-lasting,contrary to what biohazard is stating as "fact".
Many people mis-judge The ECSD Clone and Sour Diesel IBL as being "done before its' time" and cut it early. The herb does,to the untrained eye,look done in about 68 days. However,the cannabinoid profile for optimum user friendliness isn't fully peaking until day 77+,and in some cases with the SD IBL,82-83 days until optimum conditions are reached for harvest. Reading "77 days" on a seed pack and then cutting after 77 is a sheer #ROOKIE move and many make that unfortunate mistake.
A good pal of mine cut the ECSD Clone at 67-70ish for two years and always bitched about shortness of high. After me telling him for two years (yes,two bloody years!) to let her go to 77-80 and to date(!!) his fucking plant pots,he finally took my advice and !!PRESTO!! Suddenly he grows uber-potent,kick-ass ECSD! Silly him.

Biohazard (my biggest not-so-subtle critic in this thread,with a minimal post history,etc. Hint. Hint.) shilling/spamming for ** and *****g make his comments extremely suspect as it's clear he's a fanboi of one of my biggest haters-You know,the guy who is always two steps behind Reservoir. That guy.

That said,I welcome a good Sour Diesel/Chemdog/ChemFamily discussion-All the hoopla & interesting (and many-times-revised) stories are a pleasure to sift through just for shits n' gigglez.



Cheers!

Rez,

I have respect for what you do, I'm no fanboy of anyone else and not here to flame for the sake of flaming. I'm not under the impression that you violated any agreements using your ECSD cut. I thought you were asked to help stabilize/backcross it - and I commend you for your time spent backcrossing phenos. I got some interesting phenos from Alpha diesel, 2.5 and others.

I've also grown Strawberry Diesel and DSD v2 and many others as I said above - you breeding produces very strong plants with great structure. I also have to say the Riri pheno is great that came from your beans, and I have had other SD phenos from people who grew your beans that had a wonderful high for over an hour. However, I have also seen a lot of phenos whose high drops out after about 45 minutes. I've seen it carry over into other crosses regardless of flowering time. That was my only concern, of the expression of certain phenos from the beans. btw I always let my chemdog varieties go 80+ days. I agree those who take them early make a huge mistake and miss out on a lot of the plants true beauty.

Basically all I was trying to say, is since this is a thread of people judging and making claims of which is better based on their own experiences - A lot of people would be surprised to see the Original Sour Diesel Clone high in relation to the Sour Diesel they smoked. Whether taken down a week early or from a pheno with a weaker profile. The Original SD cut is out of this world, which is why I'm sure your whole IBL project was started - out of the love of the cut - trying to replicate it to share with others.

If people have the time to pop multiple beans they shouldn't have a problem finding a keeper SD from your beans. This could be from my proximity of exposure, but I haven't seen any phenos from the beans outmatch the Original Sour Diesel ECSD cut, But this is true with many other true cuts that are then made into seed form, so its no attack on you.

I haven't tried the breeders choice OurDiesel, so all I said was what I had heard - also saying i couldn't confirm it.

Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard

 

[Liven]

lessee....
Danko never gave Reservoir ANY clones,KKSC included.
Don't know him personally,never met the guy.

Reservoir Seeds has been constantly breeding with The Sour Diesel and Chemdog Clones longer than anyone on the planet.

Chemdog personally handed me the "Chemdog Family Clones" many years ago,with no restrictions on them. I told him if I deemed anything extraordinary I might choose to work with it,and that was the scope of the conversation. Over the years,Chem's (so-called) online "friends" (read: people with agendas of their own) waged a hate and disinformation campaign designed to make me look like I used the genetics without "permission".
That was proven false years ago when Chemdog posted here,clearly,that I always had "permission",and that had the other guys STFU'ing,chop-chop,and the "controversy" died.

Trivia Fact: I personally coined the term "ECSD" (East Coast Sour Diesel) in a High Times article that I contributed to (wrote part of) when Sour Diesel won "Plant of the Year" several years ago.
Reservoir was also correctly credited in HT at the time as being the originator of the Original,Authentic Sour Diesel IBL seed line,and if I recall correctly,crediting as starting original,authentic Chemdog IBL work,and Reservoir was loved on muchly by HT for the Strawberry Diesel-which,as you can read,is beyond-stellar,delicious strawberry/sour fuel/kick your ass herb!
(I guess it was (ding!)time to practice your "(very) selective memory to the negative",and leave the real,high points out regarding Reservoir's Sour Diesel IBL,eh,bio old chum?)

Sour Diesel needs to run under direct,the higher the power the better HID lights,and flower at 12/12 @5.7-5.8pH for 77+ days for optimum potency,when cut earlier the high is FAR less powerful/ideal.
There's many,many Sour Diesel IBL grow/smoke reports/reviews published that state Sour Diesel IBL's high as very long-lasting,contrary to what biohazard is stating as "fact".
Many people mis-judge The ECSD Clone and Sour Diesel IBL as being "done before its' time" and cut it early. The herb does,to the untrained eye,look done in about 68 days. However,the cannabinoid profile for optimum user friendliness isn't fully peaking until day 77+,and in some cases with the SD IBL,82-83 days until optimum conditions are reached for harvest. Reading "77 days" on a seed pack and then cutting after 77 is a sheer #ROOKIE move and many make that unfortunate mistake.
A good pal of mine cut the ECSD Clone at 67-70ish for two years and always bitched about shortness of high. After me telling him for two years (yes,two bloody years!) to let her go to 77-80 and to date(!!) his fucking plant pots,he finally took my advice and !!PRESTO!! Suddenly he grows uber-potent,kick-ass ECSD! Silly him.

Biohazard (my biggest not-so-subtle critic in this thread,with a minimal post history,etc. Hint. Hint.) shilling/spamming for ** and *****g make his comments extremely suspect as it's clear he's a fanboi of one of my biggest haters-You know,the guy who is always two steps behind Reservoir. That guy.

That said,I welcome a good Sour Diesel/Chemdog/ChemFamily discussion-All the hoopla & interesting (and many-times-revised) stories are a pleasure to sift through just for shits n' gigglez.



Cheers!

I could'nt say it better myself Than how BIO put it. I am not here to bash anyone, just comparing. Like this thread was made for. And most of what I have said is that you bread it to stabalize an f2 for the general public. Doing us a favor. But when it is compared to the real cut. You can obviously notice a difference. But I do have one question. If it's not a f5 how is it a "true" IBL? I ask, because I want to learn. Not argue.

 

[Liven]

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Trivia Fact: I personally coined the term "ECSD" (East Coast Sour Diesel) in a High Times article that I contributed to (wrote part of) when Sour Diesel won "Plant of the Year" several years ago.

Well guess we have to start calling the original cut something else. I mean if the IBL F2's are the "Real" ECSD then we need a name for the original one...