SOUR D IBL ???for rez

[Guest]

dark green leaves are not a sign of good health?
my assumption was that dark green leaves are a good thing.
can somebody please explain?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

dark green leaves are not a sign of good health?
my assumption was that dark green leaves are a good thing.
can somebody please explain?

Dark green leaves and brown dying tips and margins especially in the older leaves can be a sign of Phosphorous defeincy, could be high pH or salt toxicity or boron toxicity causing a P deficiency, It could even be a P deficiency induced by excessive availibility of Iron or Zinc, or this plant might just be a bit hungrier for P in the same way that some plants need a bit more Mg.

Not saying that any of these is the case, but that that plant does look like it's diet needs a bit of tweaking.

 

[Guest]

thanks again h3ad

 

[UNREGISTRD]

There's nothing to get riled about anywhere here. We're just trying to talk shop, be honest, be helpful. The question was about this pheno, but that's a loaded question since we don't really know what this pheno looks like in it's prime. If it were grown in soil, or you dialed the system to her preferences, you'd notice those calyxes slow down and not foxtail that much, and it would look (probably) very much like the dialed Diesels shown at the bottom of my last post. All I'm telling you is, don't think of what you're seeing on that plant as a phenotype, take it as a slight mutation of the actual phenotype brought on by conditions unfavorable to this particular plant.

Look, I talk frankly with growers, it's the way we learn and pass knowledge on. Tippy toeing around to avoid hurting feelings isn't productive.

You misunderstood why I said it wasn't dialed in, I didn't say you don't know how to grow. So now that it's explained, we can get on with the program.

DAMB,, THanks for taking the time to explain that! appreciate it..
well admitted the system is dialed in for my kush! I threw in these diesels under the same nute reg and this is what we got. the pics of the other pheno will be up in a min or so..Id like to see what u have to say about the other pheno for it was grown side by side and is obviusly lacking nutes in a differnt department for it got the claw a week back due to not changing the res in time but the others didnt take effect at all.. SO IMO these Deisels are very sensitive to nutes..
Break it down CC tell me everything u see wrong with my diesels! Ill see what i can do to adjust the nute regimen so they will all be happy!
so here is the other pheno called Pheno#1

 

[Crazy Composer]

It's hard to tell from afar exactly what the problem is, but if I saw this on my plants, I'd reduce nitrogen levels. That means reducing all nutes. You'd be surprised what reducing the PPM can do, and even more surprised to find out how seldom a LACK of fertilizing is actualy the issue. Most deficiencies are caused by giving too much food, too often, or giving food in uncured water, which both cause pH issues, leading to nutrient lockout.

If there's a deficiency at all here, I'd think it was caused by lockout, pH imbalance. This might be due to using uncured water. I don't know if you cure your water or not, but if you don't that might be a major help. Curing water means to let it sit in an open container for 12-24 hours before using it on your plants - preferably with a fan blowing across the surface of the water. This time allows gasses in the water supply to vaporize, leaving the water cleaner and more stable pH wise. Allowing the water to stand like this also brings the water temperature up to a healthy level.

If you want to find out if they're eating, break a leaf off and taste the juice that flows from the stem. If it's terribly bitter, the plant has food, if it's clean like water, it doesn't have much food in it. Using this trick, you can fine-tune the way the plants eat. Also, you can determine whether or not the issues you're encountering are due to over or underfeeding. if you have curled leaves AND bitter juices, I'd reckon it to be overfeeding. If it's got curled leaves and tastes like clean water, I'd reckon underfeeding - but like I said, underfeeding's rarely the case. I see NO signs of underfeeding on these ladies.

You know they're asking for food when the leaf stems start to turn purple or red, starting at the center where all the leaflets meet on the leaf. That spot turns color when the plant is asking for food, usually nitrogen. After this spot, the rest of the leaf stem and the major leaf veins will turn the same color.

You know they've been given too much food when the leaves go dark, shiny green and the leaf tips burn.

These last few pics show Diesels as I'd expect them to look in hydro. Without the minor issues, they'd blow up into monsters. I've gotten 12 ounces, organically, from one pot of ECSD indoors. They CAN be monsters - especially hydro and from seed. And I want to see everyone growing monsters whenever possible! hehehe

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

If you want to find out if they're eating, break a leaf off and taste the juice that flows from the stem. If it's terribly bitter, the plant has food, if it's clean like water, it doesn't have much food in it. Using this trick, you can fine-tune the way the plants eat.

Excellent tip CC!

 

[damakkus]

Hey guys, I have seen this going on the current batch of white widow I am growing and I believe CC is right about too much nutes. I backed off and now everything appears normal but time will tell.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

CC

So youve obviusly nailed the problem..I run BUBBA KUSH as a Normal crop! SHES a huge feeder. yes the nutes are over 1550ppm with a ph range from 5.8 to 6.2 depending on the day! I run lucas formula with Koolbloom thats IT!
2 bottles of nutes 1 supplement and some water! Ya played around with other supplements and what not but sticking to the Less is more theory!!

Ill have to try the eating the leaf technique thats a new one to me! I already know there overfeed but like u said LOCKOUT i think is a big problem..
the ph seems to be real high here sometimes I have to run PH down and havent lately so that may be an issue as well! Its so odd to me how some plants get it and some dont!! So im back to the medium at hand.. ROCKWOOL> Is that the problem? am i not prepping it right? Either way the nutes will be reduced and hopefully the Diesels will take off a bit more! Any tips on how to prevent lockout?

 

[damakkus]

Thats cool info for me UNREGISTERED I am running the Lucas Formula as well and boy this new batch I started of white widow just did not like that much food.
I purchased some flora nova to try on this other batch and the same curling thing is starting to appear. They just dont need that much food. But I understand you ran it together.
Good info to know cause I'll be making a run on these sour ds and hopefully bubba kush soon.

 

[Guest]

Make sure there are no build ups, and double check the ph of the rw cubes, not the res, by squesing allitle water out. Also when using gh nutes make sure you flush for at least 10 days otherwise it tend to leave a bad taiste. If you can in the future look into the pure blend pro hydroponic formulas.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Is everyone with problems also curing their water for at least 12 hours before using it?

I would go at least 24 hours before using it, but 12 is enough not to cause too many problems. I've notices through these past years most problems with lockout come from the lack of properly curing the water supply before using it. Symptoms of using uncured water are: Puckered growth, exaggerated mutations, dark, shiny green leaves, nutrient lockout (which leads to a myriad of other mysterious symptoms that are often, erroneously thought to be deficiencies due to lack of food), and the one that causes most of this bullshit is... unstable pH levels. Your water will 'calm down' after being cured. It isn't as volatile and jumpy, the pH will even out and THEN you can use it. If you use uncured water, you're simply asking for troubles.

Cure water in a non-metallic container, with the surface open to the air. I like having good air flow across the top of the water to allow those unwanted gasses to evaporate from the surface.

Unreg... a question to you... do you cure your water supply before using it? If so, how? And how long?

 

[Crazy Composer]

And I agree with Slips on the Pure Blend Pro. I use that line exclusively, and the results are always happy.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

Unreg... a question to you... do you cure your water supply before using it? If so, how? And how long?

Kind of not really!! lol.. just fill up the res in the morning with the pump flitering the water all day and during the nute adding, later in the day I throw in all the nutes. obviusly not all at once. go micro let it mix for a couple min. then the bloom, let it mix for a ocuple and then the koolbloom.
So this curing of the water might need more time IMO on my end.

 

[Guest]

i v had similar looking buds in hydro using a product called Shooting Powder from House and Garden . This product is very high in P and K and resulted in foxtailing and stacking . my guestimate is an OD of P or K causes this type of bud stucture in sativas/sativa hybrids.
Force feeding your plants P is not a good idea. excess P accumulates in the flowers we intend to smoke , resulting in a poor burn . P is also highly carcenegenic , so the less you are smoking the better!
peace.......sr

 

[damakkus]

I am going to pick up some Pure blend pro and cal mag+ right. I hear you need to have that.

What strength do you use the pbp 15ml to a gal? I am going to use this on my next tray starting this week coming up.

 

[Crazy Composer]

damakkus, PBP can be used at 1/4 to 1/2 strength. It's always better to underfeed than to overfeed. Underfeeding is easy to recognize and fix, overfeeding is not so easy to fix.

 

[Guest]

Whats up all..

I have run REZ ibl many times and also made my own. I got 2 phenos of the ibl 1 hazy 75 day SD and 1 Kushy 60 day. I used both in my breeding 1st with kush then back twice to the hazy 1. Here is my Rez hazy mom from the original pack... I have to shoot some shots of my SD which I just BX for the 1st time..