Some small aircraft smashed into a building in NYC!

[Mr. Nevermind]

Anyone remember July 28th, 1945, when a B-52 hit the 78th floor of the Empire State Building?? Caused quite a mess. I don't personally remember it, but yeah. Anyway, I don't see why people think Bush can keep us safe, or why the even entertain the idea. Accidents can happen, and so can malicious attacks. The fact is, no one is safe from everything at any time. Anything can happen, and there is no way for anyone to have complete safety. It is ridiculous to think it is even a possibility.

Well in 1945 we hadnt been attacked by terrorists flying planes into buildings so that crash in 1945 was nothing to be alarmed about. However 5 years after we lost 3000 people in WTC due to planes being used as weapons i think its a bigger deal to have planes flying into buildings in WTC.

Since 9-11 we know that NYC is a target for terrorists and since they already flew planes into buildings we know we are vunerable there and were supposed to be making things safer. The lack of warnings or preperation for a plane flying tinto a building shows that our governemt loves to talk safety but does little to make us secure.

Ports arent secure still, Airspace over NYC is still not safe, Countries getting nukes all show that we are no safer than we were on 9-11 and in fact may be less safe







Nevermind

 

[fari]

This goes to show that Bush and his administration have no ideas or are incapable of keeping us safe. Nevermind

I think you should be worrying about the exact opposite...

 

[Closet Funk]

OK, lets cut the bullshit. How in the fuck did another plane hit a high rise in NYC 5 years after 9-11? Billions of dollars for homeland security, 9-11 commisions and all this talk of us being safe. Yet a plane can fly right into NYC and slam a building. We did nothing to prevent it , we didnt even know about it until after it happened. Where were air traffic controllers?

This goes to show that Bush and his administration have no ideas or are incapable of keeping us safe. All this tough talk yet a plane can still slam a building in NYC. If i were a terrorist i would go get a few small planes and go for a ride. Its obvious we cant do shit to stop it. All we did was get some jets in the air after it happened . Sad.

I agree! if we are so concerned about terrorist how did a plane even make it into the city. What the hell was he doing flying in the city anyways?

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I agree! if we are so concerned about terrorist how did a plane even make it into the city. What the hell was he doing flying in the city anyways?

Thats because apparently people are still allowed to joy ride in small planes over NYC airspace. Its not like that airspace has ever been used to launch a terrorist attack, notice my sarcasm. So basically anyone with a small plane flying low is not on their radar and allowed to be in airspace. So why couldnt terrorists just get a few planes with explosives and fly them into any building in NYC? There is nothng stopping them , and that is an outrage!

There are many potential targets in NYC and it has already been attacked by ground and air. After first attack in 93 ( i believe) on WTC, when a van wiht expolsives blew up in garage, they realized that underneath WTC was weak and needed to be secured. and they did . After 9-11 we knew that they sky over NYC is no longer safe, abd what did we do about it? NADA!!!

People whom support Bush and his policies really need to weigh his tak vs. his actions.

1.Skys arent safe over NYC yet he goes on speeches talking about how safe we are.

2.Ports arent secure and he tried to sell security to Duba

3.We still dont know where the Anthrax came from

4. Bin Laden is still free 5 years later after Bush said he was "Wanted dead or alive" yet we sign a deal with Pakistan for no troops to be allowed to go where Bin laden is beleived to be hiding

5. We have created more terrorists in Iraq. We arent fighting Al Queda there. Just a bunch of iraqi's who want us to leave

6.Afghanistan is being over run by Taliban and Al queda , Again!

7. He said it wouldnt be tolerated if N. Korea launced a missle for tests, they did that. He said the same if they developed a Nuke and they did that as well


I think other countries see the gap of reality between his words and his actions


Nevermind

 

[Tarkus]

I do! Actually that was a B-25 Mitchell that hit the Empire State Building, B-52's weren't built for another 9 years. A B-52 probably would've ripped the top of the Empire State Building down. ...Still one hell of an accident though.

That's right. Dammit, I knew it looked funny when I typed it. Thanks for correcting it. Damn, as much as I watch the History Channel you think I would have caught that....I'm ashamed of myself

And it is silly to think someone could stop terrorists (or anyone for that matter) from flying a plane into a building, no matter what restrictions or security they put on a city. Fact of the matter is, if I had a pilot liscence, I could fly a plane into just about in building in any city. It is not that hard. What are they gonna do? Shoot me down?? I am sure the government would rather have flaming wreckage rain down over a few city blocks instead of one small plane hitting a building.
And besides, how could you make a city "safe?" Not allowing anyone what-so-ever to fly over it? That's is a little ridiculous.

 

[Guest]

Wow this post went off track..

1st off RIP to both men who died.

2nd Nevermind the NY fly path is exactly where the plane was. He was flying right where he should be. The problem is because of jet trafic you must fly under 1100 ft in private planes. To assure a comfort zone they fly at 800ft, the bld. was hit at 500ft. My guess is the hard banking he made along east river caused a loss of speed and alt. thus he hit the bld.

Prays to the family..

 

[rusto]

Thats because apparently people are still allowed to joy ride in small planes over NYC airspace. Its not like that airspace has ever been used to launch a terrorist attack, notice my sarcasm. So basically anyone with a small plane flying low is not on their radar and allowed to be in airspace. So why couldnt terrorists just get a few planes with explosives and fly them into any building in NYC? There is nothng stopping them , and that is an outrage!

There are many potential targets in NYC and it has already been attacked by ground and air. After first attack in 93 ( i believe) on WTC, when a van wiht expolsives blew up in garage, they realized that underneath WTC was weak and needed to be secured. and they did . After 9-11 we knew that they sky over NYC is no longer safe, abd what did we do about it? NADA!!!

People whom support Bush and his policies really need to weigh his tak vs. his actions.

1.Skys arent safe over NYC yet he goes on speeches talking about how safe we are.

2.Ports arent secure and he tried to sell security to Duba

3.We still dont know where the Anthrax came from

4. Bin Laden is still free 5 years later after Bush said he was "Wanted dead or alive" yet we sign a deal with Pakistan for no troops to be allowed to go where Bin laden is beleived to be hiding

5. We have created more terrorists in Iraq. We arent fighting Al Queda there. Just a bunch of iraqi's who want us to leave

6.Afghanistan is being over run by Taliban and Al queda , Again!

7. He said it wouldnt be tolerated if N. Korea launced a missle for tests, they did that. He said the same if they developed a Nuke and they did that as well


I think other countries see the gap of reality between his words and his actions


Nevermind

i love your views and couldn't agree more!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr. Nevermind again.

 

[Guest]

Spooky

man this accident is just what bush needed. Now the threat is really "real"

Bummer.. no more manufactured media fear please.. terrorist government

Reality check! Total protection of any country of any size is an illusion

Too many ins and outs

It is your foreign politics that attracts all this hostility and you have your leaders to blame. His personal venture for oil money is draining your economy

Nobody dislikes the real american people you know... we are kindow rooting for you as the spokespeople of independant freedom. your elected statesmen are shining bad light on you IMO.

Well, he cheated on the election so maybe thats not even democracy

Liberals next okay?

I find it interesting that you of any people on this planet are the most forecoming in personal freedom despite your governemental politics. It's sort of a contradition between the will of the people and the government they elect

Looks like those false promises paid off ay? Stuck in the 50's

A time for Environmentalism? it will pay off in the future

Democracy in it's finest rules man! Free education and healthcare is the key.

War is expensive.. except for those making money on it

I had an utopistic idea of a voting booth, where anybody joe citizens could vote on every laws about to passed if one choses to do so. Like you were in congress. A certain % of votes between the people and elected statesmen would be needed to pass a vote. Homeless people vote in public booths. It's one of our constitutial rights in a democracy. Of and for the people.

That's just enhanced democracy. I've tried to come up with a better system but for nigh. I guess it's the best. Sure beats communism.. Marx had a good idea but it was purely hypothetical... it assumed a perfect moral stature

Goodey mofo twoshoes...

The gradual downfall of socialism into capitalistic democracy can be observed in any closed community.. all tribes will sooner or later elect a leder. Human psychology

Although some exceptions are known

Democratic anarchy.. we the chosen people choose to revolt. But anarchy is a passing form of governement. People want basic security. Too bad when the good guys are the bad guys... ay?

You got a smart idiot for president...

Just one europeans view

Love you guys



Now for some southpark

Peace

 

[ogrefugee]

1.Skys arent safe over NYC yet he goes on speeches talking about how safe we are.

I'm sorry dude... but you can't use this as an arguement.
we are safe and have been for a long time.... i'm no republican at all but i do feel safe in this country (minus the whole weed laws thing...)

no matter who it is the president of the US does not have the ability to stop plane crashes....

we are damn safe. how many bombs have gone off in your county in the past year? what is the mortality rate? can you walk your dog or take your kids to the park?


and this had nothing to do with terrorism, other than the media spin being put on it (an all other "news worthy" publishings)




Politician: "We aren't safe! Check out this Disaster! MURDER! RAPE! TERRORIST! DISEASE! FAMINE! POVERTY! Check it out! It's all going wrong! Getting Worse! (vote for me)"


News Anchor: "We aren't safe! Check out this Disaster! MURDER! RAPE! TERRORIST! DISEASE! FAMINE! POVERTY! Check it out! It's all going wrong! Getting Worse! Stay Tuned"

 

[Closet Funk]

this had nothing to do with terrorism, other than the media spin being put on it (an all other "news worthy" publishings)]"

That's why I made the thread. I thought it was maybe something terror related. Once I saw what was going it just turned out to be an accident.

 

[Guest]

my thoughts exactely

Like I said..

America is full of democratists.. it's just the boss that doesn't get it

 

[rusto]

I'm sorry dude... but you can't use this as an arguement.
we are safe and have been for a long time.... i'm no republican at all but i do feel safe in this country (minus the whole weed laws thing...)

no matter who it is the president of the US does not have the ability to stop plane crashes....

we are damn safe. how many bombs have gone off in your county in the past year? what is the mortality rate? can you walk your dog or take your kids to the park?


and this had nothing to do with terrorism, other than the media spin being put on it (an all other "news worthy" publishings)




Politician: "We aren't safe! Check out this Disaster! MURDER! RAPE! TERRORIST! DISEASE! FAMINE! POVERTY! Check it out! It's all going wrong! Getting Worse! (vote for me)"


News Anchor: "We aren't safe! Check out this Disaster! MURDER! RAPE! TERRORIST! DISEASE! FAMINE! POVERTY! Check it out! It's all going wrong! Getting Worse! Stay Tuned"

im pretty sure his point was that bush manipulates people into thinking we are a lot safer than we are. In second thought i don't feel safe with Bush approving new torture tactics.

 

[Guest]

Safety from plane crashes lol..lol...if this is what you consider unsafe than you all need to step back and look around. I mean in my old hood you had shots going off daily now thats not safe.. See the difference just my thoughts...

Ps keep voting those greedy/crooked Reps into office america

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Safety from plane crashes lol..lol...if this is what you consider unsafe than you all need to step back and look around. I mean in my old hood you had shots going off daily now thats not safe.. See the difference just my thoughts...

Ps keep voting those greedy/crooked Reps into office america

Yes but our govenment doesnt do anyhting to minimalize the threat. FOr example, in combat if you are going house to house . Everytime for the past week you go house to house there is a sniper on a catwalk taking your boys out. The military would then either have a man on the catwalk or knock the god damn thing down. In order to prevent attack. In NYC we know planes are used a weapons and they still want to harm us. So a good action would be to no tlet planes over that airspace where the targets are in order to minimalize that threat. Instead we act liek there is no threat and operate as business as usual.

In DC we know that there are targets there so we have a no fly zone over DC to prevent that threat. We also have missles placed throught DC and MD in order to prevent attacks. But in NYC where they lost 3000 peopel they act like it never happened and allow business as usual and thats wrong. Also giving South Dakota more terror funding than NYC shows how serious we take the threat.

I would almost go as far as saying i think Bush wants another attack. By his actions he doesnt seem to worried about keeping us safe. He ratings are better when we die and he does a speech.





Nevermind