soil nute noobie help!!!

[sum_kid]

wuts up ppl. im ganna be growin my first time with bagseed in a micro cab scrog style. i need to get soil and nutes but i dont kno wut to get. i dont think i have a hydro shop here. i live in the us. i only have a regular home depot walmart target and theres like dis homedepot in a parkin lot filled with all these plants and greenhouses and stuff. its a homedepot but its not like a regular one they juss sell landscaping stuff. i would do hydro but i dont kno whre to get the nutes for that so im juss ganna try soil first. can anyone tell me wut kind of soil and nutes i can get from those places i mentioned above. if i can get hydro nutes from any of those places then i would be happy. so can sumone give a brand of soil and nutes and everything i can get from one of those places? thank u

 

[sproutco]

Get a soilless mix like the brand promix from home depot. Majestic professional potting soil is also excellent at homedepot. It is essentially Fafard professional mix with a homeowner name. http://www.majesticearth.com/GardenerResources/what_is_good_soil.shtml

As far as nutrients go, I think you would be better off investing in something good rather than from homedepot, target, etc... You want a high ratio of nitrate nitrogen compared to ammonia and urea. Cheap ferts don't have this. Also, with cheap ferts the micronutrients are whacky because most of these are intended to grow the largest amount of plants in soil outdoors = not good in potting soils. For example, Peters 20-20-20 has copper and zinc at .05% which is alot and manganese is equal which it shouldn't be at .05%. Alot of cheap ferts copy this recipe of micros.

 

[sum_kid]

thanx a lot man yur the only one that acsualy helped me with dis.nwut kind of nutes should i get from homedepot? do they have hydro nutes?

 

[Gangabiss]

I'd reccommend a search on www.google.com for organic nutrients and see what you can find.

 

[sum_kid]

can anyone tell me wut the difference between soiless and reguler soil is? and wich is better?

 

[SweetIndica]

Go with a good soil mix...promix is good, fox farm ocean forest is really good although expensive. I like to go with organic/mostly organic nutes...i really like pure blend pro, as well as the flora nova series from GH. Fox farm makes really good nutes also, i believe they are all organic. if you don't want to spend alot on nutes you can go with something from home depot such as peters 20-20-20, just stay away from miracle grow and similar nutrients.

 

[pinecone]

can anyone tell me wut the difference between soiless and reguler soil is? and wich is better?

Soiless doesn't have soil. It is usually made of peat mixed with lime and perlite. Soil is dirt mixed with some other stuff (fertilizers, perlite, lime, and peat).

If you use a soiless mix all the nutrients that the plants gets will have to come from you you. If you grow in soil the plants will get some nutrients from the soil.

Personally - I think growing in soil is easier and gives a greater margin of error. On the flip side you will have more control of what you plants get if you grow in a soiless mix.

As far as HD nutes go - they do sell fish emulsions which works well as a veg fertilizer and is organic. I'm not sure about bloom nutes. I don't think most HDs sell Neptunes Harvest, but most garden stores stock it. It is a good bloom fert.

Pinecone

 

[LORD BENIS]

Sun Kid,
I'll give you my opinion and hopefully save you a lot of time, money, and greif. This is what I have been using for over two years on 15+ plants plus cannabis and they all really dig it.

1 part Peat Moss(Promix works great)
1 part Perlite
1 part Earthworm castings

All three can be found at Home Depot around here. Just mix them up well and maybe top-dress with some more earthworm castings. I've found this to keep the perlite from floating to the top and it slowly releases nutrients w/o burning your plants. Technically it's soil-less, totally organic, and it has excellent "breathing" capacity (extremely important) as well as water retention. Trust me, this is a good soil recipe, one of my main lessons from container growing.

As far as Home Depot fertilizers go, I'd say go Maxicrop or Alaska. They won't have it, but if you can find Pure Blend somewhere it's awsome!

 

[sum_kid]

thankx guys. im ganna go to homedepot tomaro. i have a few questions before i do.

1.can u guys help me germinateing the seeds? should i put it in sum wet papertowel and put it in a warm dark place and wen it sprouts should i put it in the soil rite away or put it in sumkind of starter?

2.how much is the peat moss perlite and earthworm all together? can i find them in the soil section? and where do they keep the fertilizers?

3.and if im ganna be using that mix or soiless should i not give it any food for the first few weeks or do i have to feed it because its soiles?

4.sorry for so many questions but one last one. does anyone know where i can get one of those bake a round bread glass tubes?

5.o wait ONE more question. do they sell hydro nutes at home depot? is there nutes at home depot that u can use for both soil and hydro? or should i look for sum organic nutes and do a organic hydro?

thanx guys

 

[Dr. Dank]

1. float your seeds in h2o for 12 to 24 hrs...agitate water, live seeds will sink...plant .5" into your grow mix

2. fuck if i know...i dont work where you shop

3. dont feed your seedlings for 2 weeks or so depending on what the makeup of your soil is

4. fuck if i know, ever here of google, or maybe wallmart

5. dont ask for hydro at home dePOT, sometimes ive seen fish emulsion at wally world...you say hydro alot...theres more involed then nutes...describe your planned grow op

6. quit saying sum

 

[SweetIndica]

1. float your seeds in h2o for 12 to 24 hrs...agitate water, live seeds will sink...plant .5" into your grow mix

2. fuck if i know...i dont work where you shop

3. dont feed your seedlings for 2 weeks or so depending on what the makeup of your soil is

4. fuck if i know, ever here of google, or maybe wallmart

5. dont ask for hydro at home dePOT, sometimes ive seen fish emulsion at wally world...you say hydro alot...theres more involed then nutes...describe your planned grow op

6. quit saying sum

Don't post if your going to be a dick, you don't seem so bright yourself. Your info wasn't very helpful at all.

1. I use the paper towel method and it works great. I take 2 plates, then get 2 paper towels and fold them a few times each. Then i wet them, and put one piece on the plate and put the other on the other plate. I put the seeds on top of one paper towel on one of the plates and then put the plates together so the seeds are between the wet paper towels. I then stick it in a dark place (usually one of my drawers) and i usually have 90% or more of them germ in 24 hours. I've had about a 98% germ rate with this method.

2. They probably won't have worm castings, atleast the home depots and lowes near me don't. The perlite at my home depot is about $4 for a 8.8 liter bag. I'd get soil over peat moss, you can get unferted potting soil at home depot/lowes for about $6 for a 1 cu. ft. bag. the total price i'm not sure of, since it depends on how much you are going to buy. The ferts should be near the soil.

3. You shouldn't feed your plants until 2-3 weeks into vegging. And start them out on 1/4-1/2 dosage and slowly raise it to full dosage. Soiless or not, you will need nutes.

4. not sure, i'm sure walmart or some place like that might have them. I'm assuming your going to be using hps or mh lights? Are you planning on aircooling the bake a round?

5. Don't mention hydroponics at home depot, even at a hydroponics store don't mention what your growing and if they ask just say tomatoes or something...you don't want people thinking your up to something. Your not going to find hydroponic nutrients at home depot or the like, probably only at hydroponics stores and maybe some garden stores. Plus, you dont want hydro nutes if your using soil/soiless (although some hydroponics nutrients will work in soil/soiless). I'd also go for organic nutes, get an easy to use line of nutes. There are alot available, i prefer pure blend pro.

 

[sum_kid]

when you germ do u need to use ditlilled water or just regular water? and wut bout for yur watering too? after it germs do you just put it in the main potting soil your useing or do you need rockwell or something? thanx a lot guys this helps a lot

 

[dre86]

using distilled water has the advantage that there are no chemicals in it and the pH is neutral (7.0). This might increase germing rates. But trust me, I germed in rain water before with good succes rate and I think if your tap water doesn't have a too low or too high pH this should be usuable as well.

I leave the seed 12-24 hours in the water, then put it inbetween wet paper towels and place the box in a warm, dark place (around 25°C / 75 °F). If the seed is germed (has a white tail, = taproot) you plant it tail facing down into potting soil (maximum 1 inch / 2.54 cm deep). Then I keep the surface wet by misting it. Any universal - regular soil should work well. Organic (non-prefertilized) potting soil would be perfect to start them in. Give it pure water without any fertilizer for the first week.
You can also let the seed sprout into a rockwool cube, this works just as well. When the seedling is bigger you transplant it into a bigger rockwool cube or into soil.

 

[Dr. Dank]

Don't post if your going to be a dick, you don't seem so bright yourself. Your info wasn't very helpful at all.

1. I use the paper towel method and it works great. I take 2 plates, then get 2 paper towels and fold them a few times each. Then i wet them, and put one piece on the plate and put the other on the other plate. I put the seeds on top of one paper towel on one of the plates and then put the plates together so the seeds are between the wet paper towels. I then stick it in a dark place (usually one of my drawers) and i usually have 90% or more of them germ in 24 hours. I've had about a 98% germ rate with this method.

2. They probably won't have worm castings, atleast the home depots and lowes near me don't. The perlite at my home depot is about $4 for a 8.8 liter bag. I'd get soil over peat moss, you can get unferted potting soil at home depot/lowes for about $6 for a 1 cu. ft. bag. the total price i'm not sure of, since it depends on how much you are going to buy. The ferts should be near the soil.

3. You shouldn't feed your plants until 2-3 weeks into vegging. And start them out on 1/4-1/2 dosage and slowly raise it to full dosage. Soiless or not, you will need nutes.

4. not sure, i'm sure walmart or some place like that might have them. I'm assuming your going to be using hps or mh lights? Are you planning on aircooling the bake a round?

5. Don't mention hydroponics at home depot, even at a hydroponics store don't mention what your growing and if they ask just say tomatoes or something...you don't want people thinking your up to something. Your not going to find hydroponic nutrients at home depot or the like, probably only at hydroponics stores and maybe some garden stores. Plus, you dont want hydro nutes if your using soil/soiless (although some hydroponics nutrients will work in soil/soiless). I'd also go for organic nutes, get an easy to use line of nutes. There are alot available, i prefer pure blend pro.

did i say the kid wasnt bright...fuck you ill post when i want...sum_kid...dont use the paper towel method to germ, plant directly into your growing media after ya soak in distilled water for 12-24 hrs

good luck
~doc

 

[Maj.PotHead]

some ppl use the paper towel method where you can place seed's on a paper towel fold it over the seed and use a spray bottle to throughly wet the paper towel. now place the paper towel into a zip lock baggie and place in a warm dark place not to warm around 80 deg, open the baggie every day once to check for sprouting of tarpits and to be sure towel hasent dried out.

some ppl will soak thier seed's in water over night then plant in the morning some use distilled water some use regular tap then perform the above said.

some ppl like to just plant the seed into soil and water


if ya use regular tap water if you not on a well system your on city water be sure your city dosent use clorine to sanitize your drinking water, pour a glass and smell your water smell clorine??? if so night before your plants need water let water sit in uncapped jugs. this allows the clorine to evaporate clorine kills canibis.

now for watering a freshly planted seed and sprouted seedling i use a spray bottle on mist to soak the soil untill it drains out the bottom, ppuring water can sink seed. my seed and fresh rooted clones go into 3x3x3 inch containers i'll transplant w/in 2wks into cut milk jugs w/in 2wks into finial pots. my soil is fox farm soil i use 50-60 % perlite added to all soil i use except for seedling and fresh planted cones they get 20-25% perlite. i water untill it starts to drain out bottom in the sink i leave untill draining is done. i take notice of the pots weight after watered every day i lift i can feel the moisture level lower. when it feels empty/light i stick finger into soil if dry i wtaer again, i use ferts in my watering's i use them every other watering. my ferts i use are fox farm i start off 1/4 dossage and never exceed 1/2 dossage. 1st 2-3 wks of flowering your plants will stretch i use 1/4 strength veg fert during this time, during veg i only fert 1 time a week. reason is i transplant every 2 wks anyways the soil has enough nutes to last 2-3 wks n/p hopen tis was more helpful then some other replays

for your soil if you dont wish to go to your local hydro store and get the good soil lol then your local home depot carrys super soil poting soil


works just fine but let it sit open in a container if you can for about 3-5 days toss it over itself few times daily. ops is that a 1965 mustang in the pic has 1982 5.o HO thats soon to be a rat motor 425 HP all the bells and whistels tis my eldest sons car

 

[SweetIndica]

did i say the kid wasnt bright...fuck you ill post when i want...sum_kid...dont use the paper towel method to germ, plant directly into your growing media after ya soak in distilled water for 12-24 hrs

good luck
~doc

Well you sure acted like he was inferior to you...Your acting like a child. Seriously, grow up. Have you realized that instead of cussing at someone to try and solve your problems, maybe try and have a slightly civil conversation with them? Although, i think that's too hard for you since you seem like a useless moron to me. Go ahead and post what you want, be a dick...then see what happens. Karmas a bitch!

 

[sum_kid]

daym dats a shit load of horses man thanx for replying so quickly guys i really appriciate it. if u guys didnt help i would of prolly got mg and have a shit grow. ok i juss got the seeds today im ganna go to hd rite now and get the supplies and wen i cum home im ganna germ it in distilled water. if i can find where they keep it. thanx guys im prolly ganna have more anoying questions along the way

ok one last question b4 i go to hd. wen do i hav to give it light? and how much cfl watage do i need?

 

[SweetIndica]

You won't need to give it light until it sprouts out of the soil. The light amount depends on how many plants you want to grow, it would take alot of cfl's to flower more than a plant or two though. If your planning on flowering them under cfl's i'd say use atleast 100+ watts of cfl's per plant. Home depot has 42w cfl's for like $9-$10 a piece. I'd say buy a few of those, and buy a dome reflector with a y fitting for it, that way you can use two bulbs in one reflector. The reflectors at home depot range from like $5-$20 depending on size. The y fittings are like $2.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

only way to learn is ask if you couldnt find it in the search function of the forum if you go with the super soil you really should let it air out few days anyways the npk rating for this soil isnt on organic it's definitly chem and you'll smell it after a few days of tossn the dirt around uncovered i used a wheel barrow and aired the whole bag the smell gose away. i used it super soil for veg during my last grow i had n/p with the soil and my plants had mad growth under the cfl lighting i use. we all are here to help and learn what works for 1 may not for another but a combo of various ppls methods may work for some. but for flowering i bought some fox farm ocean forrest and was impressed so this round my clone's are growing in both FF soil's light worrior and ocean forrest mixed 50/50 and perlite added. this FF soil is 20$ a bag compared to 9$ for the super soil but i made the jump and dont regret it maybe something to keep in mind down the road save for the soil. i thing i can say about FF compared to any other soil MG, SS and such the FF dont seem to mold after ya open bag and reseal it, all other soils ive experinced problems with mold ontop of soil if i resealed bag and went to reuse say 2wk later. my current bag of FF soil has been opened and resealed few times this last month

 

[Maj.PotHead]

You won't need to give it light until it sprouts out of the soil. The light amount depends on how many plants you want to grow, it would take alot of cfl's to flower more than a plant or two though. If your planning on flowering them under cfl's i'd say use atleast 100+ watts of cfl's per plant. Home depot has 42w cfl's for like $9-$10 a piece. I'd say buy a few of those, and buy a dome reflector with a y fitting for it, that way you can use two bulbs in one reflector. The reflectors at home depot range from like $5-$20 depending on size. The y fittings are like $2.

yes HD has 42w cfl's cheap but compeared to my 45w cfls thier much hotter
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the micro section has alot of cfl grows going on personally i like cfl for veg but 400w hps on flowering. but some verry nice nugs can be growen under cfl's dont count them compleatly out. i'll start out under say 40w worth of fluro when they sprout they get hit with cfl's 2 45w cfl's cover a 3x3x3inch 18 count flat n/p. got my flat from HD in spring the flowers come in he he they work perfect for seedling's and clones for 2-3 wks n/p