So you wanna be a commercial grower?

[British_Bulldog]

alright BB
i'm not dismissing this thread-and i perfectly understand your reasons for staying small-as i have too (hence i've never needed to nick the electricity either). What i don't agree with is applying the 'keep it small' mentality to a thread on commie cultivation or to ganja as a whole. As you'll know there has been a huge ganja shortage in UKPLC for the past couple of years-and in my view anybody who is willing to get their finger out and take a risk, whatever their ethnicity, deserves not to be insulted but given a pat on the back and a round of applause. Again-my point is-if we all kept it small there would BE NO WEED.
Sinfuldreams-guns? what is this the John Wayne thread? I remember a news story a few years ago about a couple of lads from London who had been silly enough to shoot at people out of the window of their GRoom with an air rifle-they got nicked-and i made a mental note to self at the time. 'Never shoot anyone in or near your growroom'.

yo
eddie

I'm afraid I disagree Eddie,

The Vietnamese growers should go back to where they came from, as they're causing everything to come too on top for UK growers, that's another reason why less people want to grow.

Now landlords are ever more vigilant, and actively looking for grow circumstances, and these type of commercial growers have highlighted the issue and brought it to public attention more than ever.

Every week, there are big busts in the UK. These big grows are also not meaning more weed on the streets, well more smokable weed anyway, just wet, under flowered crap.

The industry needs some people who are prepared to take risks and do things properly, but I think the way things are going, that's unlikely to happen.

It's unfortunate, but growers all over the world are downsizing to stay under the radar, so the only way to stay safe nowadays is to run 1, 2 or 3 medium sized houses.

I personally know people who've grown more plants than most people could imagine, and they've never stolen electricity. They're very intelligent and organised people, who have done things properly. Now they've stopped that, and put it down to experience, but were never caught.


Peace

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I have to tend to agree with THCV though I think some people are taking ebills to seriously, but it does depend on where you live.

Its not the overall bill that some people are worried about. Its the pattern of usage. A dedicated grow house is going to have a pretty fixed amount of usage, no matter what you do. Even in a flip, you'll have a pretty high usage 24/7, pumps will all come on at the same time every day, etc.

 

[British_Bulldog]

Ganja Pasha - I'm in full support of new and emerging technologies.

In your situation, however, I really think you need to work out a way to get as much equipment as cheaply as possible, run off electricity, make some money, and then think about other ideas.

I would forget 400 Watt bulbs, and go with the 600's.

A nice start would be 4 x 600W.

That would be a pro-hobby set-up, then when you can, get bigger.

If you draw up a list of everything you want, get the cash together, and go to a hydro shop you know, you can negotiate at least a 10% discount on top.

If you had a separate mother and clone/veg room, and ran a lot of clones, using a fast flowering strain, you could have a crop ready every 7-8 weeks.

I hope you manage to get it all sorted and improve your current situation m8.

Peace

 

[green_tea]

Its not the overall bill that some people are worried about. Its the pattern of usage. A dedicated grow house is going to have a pretty fixed amount of usage, no matter what you do. Even in a flip, you'll have a pretty high usage 24/7, pumps will all come on at the same time every day, etc.

that gets tossed away when you have to make the house looked lived in.

with randomized timers for lights, TV, etc etc.. they are never going to notice a few hundred extra watts being turned on at the same time.

Dehum/AC/vent fans/ etc don't count because they are controlled by variables such as humidity, temp etc and will never EVER be consistent on a day to day basis (or even a week to week)

so you are looking at anything that is controlled at a set time every day, which really ends up only being pumps for the system DEPENDING on what type of system you are running to begin with!

In the scheme of things, they would be more prone to knock on your door because of the high power usage (which as we all have postulated here is EXTREMELY LOW) than these 3x a day pumps turning on that use what? the wattage a computer uses at most?

I think id be more paranoid about marked serial numbers on cbills that you deposit end up depositing in your personal account.

 

[ncga]

Great thread and as soon as I read more lookforward to posting.

CocoNuts
I remember that post LOL
The point of that post was to look out for bargain 45K generators. I know of a number of people are going with multiple smaller generators for remote indoor grows.

One thing I do know is that if you want to make it two points
1 Outdoors will get your goals sooner
2 Indoors on a small scale without a day job can cost you more than you make.

nc

 

[Kush King]

The only thing on the entire list that cant be bought is a good person to sell the bud too, and that is where the problem can lie, however great weed at the right price will never run out of demand...
of A for the right price...

YUP lol if only we all new sumone that was a trafficker. "Al take whatever you got when you get it"

 

[kay gee bee]

Hey NCGA! I see we joined up here at the same time...I know why!

This is a great thread...I'm glad someone finally addressed growing in commercial/industrial spaces. I was considering it but the fire inspection thing really put me off. However if it's possible to avoid that somehow (using the space for "storage" rather than a front biz) an industrial space would truly be THE way to go.

British Bulldog, WTF is UP with the shortage of good weed in the UK?? I was there last summer and it was SO dry. My sister lives in London and she has such a hard time finding bud, as does my friend in Westcliff. With the big demand there I'd think it'd be an awesome market to work in...why aren't more folks doin it?


- kgb

 

[British_Bulldog]

YUP lol if only we all new sumone that was a trafficker. "Al take whatever you got when you get it"

Well that's exactly what my first "one-guy" said to me, lol

In fact he was so keen, he used to ring me before it was even finished and ask me...I had to ask him to chill out and be patient, lol

British Bulldog, WTF is UP with the shortage of good weed in the UK?? I was there last summer and it was SO dry. My sister lives in London and she has such a hard time finding bud, as does my friend in Westcliff. With the big demand there I'd think it'd be an awesome market to work in...why aren't more folks doin it?

Well yes, it is fucked up I agree.


The problems are these I think:


- Not enough big balled bastards to produce it

- All the weed and hash smugglers turned to cigarettes (as they retail at over $10 a packet)

- Vietnamese gangs produce crappy wet unfinished weed


There is definately a market there, as I was in it and supplying it.


Peace

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I was surfing around my city's craig's list ads the other day and found that some brave soul in my city is advertising weed. The ads I saw mentioned Sour Kush and Sour Diesel IBL were available! To me, it seems awfully risky.

I was wondering: what do you all think of that? Anyone have experience selling over the internet?

Id be too worried it was LEO working a sting. They do it for other illegal activities over craigslist (like prostitution) so why wouldnt they try it for weed? But if its legit, that dude is a dumbass. Craigslist is 25% owned by Ebay and we know how Ebay loves to help LEO...

 

[LiLWaynE]

I've always thought the ideal setup for a commercial grow would be as follows

5 x 4000 Sq. Ft. Suburban house w/ Garage and unfinished room
In each have the following:
6 x 600w Digitals w/ Flip so they amount to 7200w
Sealed room setups w/ dehuey, a/c, co2
computer controlled with a reliable version of something like growtronix doing everything including nute dosing
grow trees in 5gal. buckets using an additional 2 x 600w for veg. which you could do for 3 weeks timed to be ready to flip to flower as the current flowering ones are done

With that assuming 1gpw you get 16lb's per house per yield. Use a good 60 day strain and have a house yielding every 12 days. Essentially a perpetual harvest of sorts.

16 x 5 = 80lbs every 60 days
80lbs @ $3000 a lb = $240,000 every 60 days
$240,000 x 6 = $1,440,000 a year

Just be prepared to make every house seem lived in, or buy a bunch of land and build your own gated community where you are the only owner via several proxies. The only thing on the entire list that cant be bought is a good person to sell the bud too, and that is where the problem can lie, however great weed at the right price will never run out of demand...

Not going to get into money laundering but any service is available in the US of A for the right price...

sounds like a plan!

 

[British_Bulldog]

I was surfing around my city's craig's list ads the other day and found that some brave soul in my city is advertising weed. The ads I saw mentioned Sour Kush and Sour Diesel IBL were available! To me, it seems awfully risky.

I was wondering: what do you all think of that? Anyone have experience selling over the internet?

Please note: posts like this are not welcome in this thread

This is a thread about becoming a commercial grower, not the Toker's den.

Please refrain from posting unless it's about commercial growing, thank you.

 

[billy_big_bud!]

i love this thread lets not wreck it.........

 

[dj digigrow]

how does one go about getting a rental house without giving all your info or bringing someone else in on it??
besides I got bad credit probably couldn't get a rental house if I wanted to....

 

[dj digigrow]

another grow house busted, about an hour or so from me... and you guessed it....stealing power, but this jackass was stealing it from houses next to his.....
the power comp. went to inspect, they found what he rigged up and called the fuzz... they showed up to bust him for stealing power and, Hey whadiya know!! 350 plants saying hi....
idiot......
DON'T STEAL POWER!!

 

[RetroGrow]

Interesting thread.
One thing I find puzzling. The Mantra you hear over and over regarding growing, wether it be big or small, commercial or hobby is "never, ever tell anyone".
Yet everyone here seems to "know a guy" that had this massive grow or that massive grow, "20 lights in a farmhouse", multiple houses, warehouses, been doing it for years, etc.
How does that happen, if nobody's talking?

 

[Aaronponic]

Interesting thread.
One thing I find puzzling. The Mantra you hear over and over regarding growing, wether it be big or small, commercial or hobby is "never, ever tell anyone".
Yet everyone here seems to "know a guy" that had this massive grow or that massive grow, "20 lights in a farmhouse", multiple houses, warehouses, been doing it for years, etc.
How does that happen, if nobody's talking?

A lot of it is word of mouth. You can only open your grow show to 1 or 2 people, and they can tell their friends about, "their buddy with 20 lights in a farmhouse", and now suddenly that person is telling the story as if they were the one let in there. When they probably don't even know whose house it actually is that is even growing. They might as well have read about it on this message board.



Then there are just a lot of people that can't keep their egos in check and have to show everyone. Natural selection tends to limit their crops however.

 

[British_Bulldog]

another grow house busted, about an hour or so from me... and you guessed it....stealing power, but this jackass was stealing it from houses next to his.....
the power comp. went to inspect, they found what he rigged up and called the fuzz... they showed up to bust him for stealing power and, Hey whadiya know!! 350 plants saying hi....
idiot......
DON'T STEAL POWER!!

Yup another dumbass bites the dust..

 

[Guest]

^^^^^^

^^^^^^

Speaking on things you don't understand is HILARIOUS,Judging people you don't know is PRICELESS....

 

[OriginalyPosted]

LMAO good point roto there was a guy that got caught stealing power round my way awhile back dumb fuck only had 4k burning over 2oo plants.

sneaky ninja has the right idea for sure id rather go solo at 4 seperate locations with 5k or so rather then team up with 3-4 people on a single 20k room .

 

[ncga]

To do this for a Business you need to think and act like a business.

1 If you have to borrow the money you cant afford it
2 Have Working capital like any business


Appearance
You should blend in with the style of the 35 to 40 something.
Don't be jeweled out. No jewelry or Rolex, Sure I love the watch a client and my wife gave me but it only is out like once a year at a convention

Also do not get a flashy car.
Amazing what a down pipe an a chip can do, but still be low key, in a 1 or 2 year old car. Besides you save a ton on depreciation

Growing pot is NOT A RETIREMENT PLAN
You Get old and Lose connections, All you have left is what you paid taxes on.
IRA 5,000 a year plus catch up if over 50

This only really works if you start a biz you are also passionate about. Try and have a consulting type biz. This way you do not need to buy inventory to turn over or tools

I would like to talk about exit plans. It seams cash flow gets us all. Do we really do calculations to and P & L statement ?

I do know people who have retired but they sold the grow property. This might works fine for outdoor or even an owned indoor. But what if you like your place 20% just does not get you retired.

The next level in this area would be calculations, Some ideas of how not to spin out of control and save by paying taxes in the states.


OH a big heads up
For your car. DO NOT DRIVE A NEW CAR
1 has nothing to do with growing since its a horrible investment. You need to get your head on. A one or two year old car is your best bet. Think long term and low profile.
A Child seat in a mini van with factory tinted window can be very low key.

Radar
I you travel with ANY pot you should have a Bell or Escort built in detector( 1500 to 2000). I have to say At $1500 it is well worth it. The range and since of awareness it gives you is priceless.The built in performs so much better than the $400, window version with out the visible foot print.

nc