SO what compromise would you accept

[maryjaneismyfre]

No government has the right to tell me what plant I can and cannot grow. Nor do they have the right to tell me what I can and cannot ingest. I pay my own way in life and always have, I owe no one anything except my mother. I am a KING. Fuck the rest who dissagree, quite frankly I do not care. I lead myself, i do not need anyones permission for anything. God or whatever you believe in, gave me a brain and I intend on using it.

If you pay tax, VAT, income tax, fuel tax or whatever tax, your goverment owes YOU. You do not owe them anything, no subservience, no answers, no privacy, no compromise, nothing...THE REST IS BS. It is just economic transaction, you pay, they do, simple. Not the status quo that we have around the globe, that is BS! No matter how it is played, it is BS. Where else in life does a man pay and then not be in charge. If you pay, YOU are in charge. FUCK leaders that think otherwise, they are just there to fix your potholes and provide free, eco-energy for powering our grow lamps, remove AND RECYCLE your waste etc..! This has gone on for too long, every human being has the basic right to make up their own mind and plant any seed or do anything that makes their own life better so long that it does make others' lives worse. Fuck the rest. The time for nice language and compromise is long gone, how many more must have their assets stolen and lives lost or imprisoned for something which is their GOD given right to do! Makes me foam!

 

[BrnCow]

This is a cool subject. Makes one think about stuff. The one thing we could really do is be so cautious in our actions that the need for their services were reduced. Then it would not be such and ardous task to effect change in our favor. If people could grab hold of their own asses for a two year period and lay off all outdoor illegal activity the cop thing would have to lay off millions of people. Stop the money/jail/prison ripoff and they would be forced to reduce their bullshit. Our part could be rather easy. Stay fully compliant in med states. Keep plant numbers down in non med states to the minimum for the adults in the house for personal use. Stop smoking for a week every quarter to dump the tolerance factor. Refuse to drive after smoking until an hour or even two have passed. Gargle before going out to kill the smell on your breath. Change clothes to keep from smelling like weed and having leaves on you unaware. Do not sell anything. Just smoke a little a couple times a week with adult friends so they don't go batty wanting to get a buzz. This will kill off the cartel market also BTW. They ARE the reason we are hot. Shipping in tons of weed keeps the cops hot. Don't grow illegal outdoors for two years. Spend that time finding cartel grows and fucking them over somehow that doesn't kill the environment. Drive right, don't shoplift, don't cheat, don't steal, and don't let your attitude get out of hand. Stop drinking too much and too often. Hell, if people could REALLY get it together, we could beat these fuckers with their own laws. Can you imagine if the gangs started to lay low also? This is the only way to send them a tsunami of their own laws. We could all get a long range night vision video camera and record them fucking up all over the country. Put it all on their hacked media and let them squirm for a change instead of us....dreaming ...I know...but fuck, my friends are from Wheelers Ranch and Morningstar...we have always had an idea of getting this done. Might as well make them stick the sharp stick up their own buddies asses huh! I can't even imagine for politicians to not find ANY reason to write ANY laws...send them home ....lol

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Hey BrnCow, thats a hellavu lotta compromise for something that I do not see fundamentally as being a 'wrong' thing to do. Like not at all, nudda, ziltch, nothing wrong. I have thought long and hard about it, and my opinions have changes many times, and the older I get and the more I see the more I realise that it is all BS. I am now of the firm opinion that the more marijuana society grows the better it will be in direct proportion, with no compromise..Period. We have already made enough compromise. If you pay tax, that is ENOUGH compromise as someone said here truthfully before me. Anything else means that you are a serf. Less than human. Which is cool, but in truth the taxmen, their cronies and their gestapo are the only real serfs who actually owe services for payment rendered. We have already compromised by opening up our wallets, all other compromise is up to the big government thing to do, thats the point. Like they must compromise and give free eco-freindly power to neighborhood herb growers who happen to really be everyones best freind, and free lab testings, and free resorts and recreation areas to go and medicate. Hot swedish nurses on exchange programs massaging the weary who can toke it up on the house with pina colada's and destress from all that time spent making 'the man' rich. And pothole free roads to go visit said places on, while having nice tax (ours) funded policemen to wave at keeping us safe from thugs. ahhh a utopia..I want tax back! Or the right to be left the fuck alone to do in peace what suits me unless im causing someone else real harm or detriment..
Anyway what is it to be a human, we just F%$& SH!T up. If we were to be judged on a global species court, we'd be F-cked. The ganja plant and any other lowly plant has more right to exist than us quite frankly in terms of universal cause and effect. And me, I have the right to choose. And F-ck my life up if I choose. My right. Not F-uck up others lives or life around me. My wrong. Simple. I do not need a government to tell me how to decide this, it is insulting. I can grow cannabis. Right. I can consume it. Right. I can make BHO. Right. I can bathe in it. Right. I can grow coca. Right. I can can consume it. Right. I can make cocaine hydrochloride. Right. I can snort it. MY right. I can freebase it and smoke rocks. Once again, it is my right. I cannot give rocks to another human being to smoke. Wrong. Simple. See the diifference. No law decide where I stop and how much good or harm I cause, I do. And my decision is only influenced by my education. Only I decide where the lines are that I do not cross and that is as a result of self-preservation, not selflessness. It is fundamental, everyone here on this forum has the right to be FREE.

Also just to be clear, I dont advocate nor make my own coke. If I wanted to I'd get very upset if anyone would try stop me. It is fundamentally wrong to step on someone's rights. Look at Shulgin or Hoffman, those cats are/were together upstairs till they were ripe and have eaten or ate enough to cook an army. They made everything themselves, made mistakes, used them to learn and respected the medicines and cme out better for it and so did we.

Om namah shivaia!

 

[armedoldhippy]

i could live with public use & possession being an offense with a fine of $50 or so. solely because the police would get tired of fucking with people for no real purpose. i will NOT accept GM seeds being to only way to grow. seeds/clones should be available to the public at the same places that med sales take place. most of the best pot available now came from dedicated folks working toward something better. it should be outright legal for medical use, & what may be treated by its use should be up to the patient/physician. they already have test strips available to check if you have smoked in the last 4 hours, thus tossing a bone to the ignorant masses that worry about sharing the road with stoners. i would leave selling to minors a jailable offense as well, for the same reason. sales or transfers between adults are nobody elses business, ditto growing for your own use on your property. indoor grows should be inspected by qualified electricians for public safety; electricity & water DO NOT mix well. it should be illegal for any business to drug test for any job except as a condition of employment for airline pilots, train engineers etc, but ONLY using the same 4 hour saliva test strips already available. what you do on your off hours is your business...

 

[Mtn Dew]

hell no . i will never accept gm seeds. and i will always breed.

what he said

 

[Bluesdude]

Lets put a small little thing to bed a child over here died as a result of drinking the nutrients the mother was storing to feed her cannabis plants with. Cannabis growing can be carried out carefully but there is one direct death caused as a result of the parents irresponsible actions while growing cannabis.

I beg your pardon but your logic is completely flawed, or better said, absent.

 

[headband 707]

I can honestly say I would quite before I would give one red cent to our Gov or dea /GM lol,,ffs seriously I don't want anyone doing anything for me thanks , . It ticks me off when the clubs here also want us to fall in line as they will be the growers and we will be the buyers? Fuck that shit.. I don't like their bud now what makes them think I'm going to like it later? It's bad when the ppl that are supposed to stick up for you become the problem aswell as they don't want to be pushed out of this game. I get it, I understand they don't want to lose what they have, I just won't do this for them... headband 707

 

[headband 707]

I would say that so far the pro cannabis is coming across as the ideaslistic side some would say it evidences an immature attitude to be as uncompromising. There are some easy ones that not many would object to and are already accepted as part of the Dutch tolerance policy such as not smoking cannabis within a school grounds.

At the moment it comes across like most want to be able to grow cannabis in a household with no restriction, store the cured cannabis if they want in the kids bedroom and drive the kids to school while blazing a joint.

Lets put a small little thing to bed a child over here died as a result of drinking the nutrients the mother was storing to feed her cannabis plants with. Cannabis growing can be carried out carefully but there is one direct death caused as a result of the parents irresponsible actions while growing cannabis.

No one has said this is the idea that must be followed all that has been asked is to consider what you would compromise however the main reaction has been to focus on one suggestion as something to complain about. Maybe the cannabis community has spent so long complaining it can no longer think of idea's.

LOL I actually can't believe you just said this shit..lol.. your logic is so flawed and the kid dieing had ZERO to do with cannabis that is PURE PROPAGANDA at it's best. You need to really think about this story in your head think about any kid finding any poison doesn't matter what type and how that all plays out. Cannabis's role in this is again ZERO.. lol

Where is the mom and why did she leave this stuff out and on and on. If you really want to look at ppl to blame then why don't you blame" Big Pharma" for all the HARD DRUGS they give everyone and the DRUG PUSHING doctors and the police that lock you up when they whole thing goes South LOL .. Gee I wonder why the cannabis community doesn't like being treating so unfairly by the Gov/DEA/Police/News/Doctor's/Lawyer's/Community/City Hall/ need I go on lol headband 707

 

[BrnCow]

Hey BrnCow, thats a hellavu lotta compromise for something that I do not see fundamentally as being a 'wrong' thing to do. Like not at all, nudda, ziltch, nothing wrong. I have thought long and hard about it, and my opinions have changes many times, and the older I get and the more I see the more I realise that it is all BS. I am now of the firm opinion that the more marijuana society grows the better it will be in direct proportion, with no compromise..Period. We have already made enough compromise. If you pay tax, that is ENOUGH compromise as someone said here truthfully before me. Anything else means that you are a serf. Less than human. Which is cool, but in truth the taxmen, their cronies and their gestapo are the only real serfs who actually owe services for payment rendered. We have already compromised by opening up our wallets, all other compromise is up to the big government thing to do, thats the point. Like they must compromise and give free eco-freindly power to neighborhood herb growers who happen to really be everyones best freind, and free lab testings, and free resorts and recreation areas to go and medicate. Hot swedish nurses on exchange programs massaging the weary who can toke it up on the house with pina colada's and destress from all that time spent making 'the man' rich. And pothole free roads to go visit said places on, while having nice tax (ours) funded policemen to wave at keeping us safe from thugs. ahhh a utopia..I want tax back! Or the right to be left the fuck alone to do in peace what suits me unless im causing someone else real harm or detriment..
Anyway what is it to be a human, we just F%$& SH!T up. If we were to be judged on a global species court, we'd be F-cked. The ganja plant and any other lowly plant has more right to exist than us quite frankly in terms of universal cause and effect. And me, I have the right to choose. And F-ck my life up if I choose. My right. Not F-uck up others lives or life around me. My wrong. Simple. I do not need a government to tell me how to decide this, it is insulting. I can grow cannabis. Right. I can consume it. Right. I can make BHO. Right. I can bathe in it. Right. I can grow coca. Right. I can can consume it. Right. I can make cocaine hydrochloride. Right. I can snort it. MY right. I can freebase it and smoke rocks. Once again, it is my right. I cannot give rocks to another human being to smoke. Wrong. Simple. See the diifference. No law decide where I stop and how much good or harm I cause, I do. And my decision is only influenced by my education. Only I decide where the lines are that I do not cross and that is as a result of self-preservation, not selflessness. It is fundamental, everyone here on this forum has the right to be FREE.

Also just to be clear, I dont advocate nor make my own coke. If I wanted to I'd get very upset if anyone would try stop me. It is fundamentally wrong to step on someone's rights. Look at Shulgin or Hoffman, those cats are/were together upstairs till they were ripe and have eaten or ate enough to cook an army. They made everything themselves, made mistakes, used them to learn and respected the medicines and cme out better for it and so did we.

Om namah shivaia!

Yeah, I agree! But, in the interest of making them stop themselves, if the need for them went away, so would they go away....and I have no expectations of people stopping crime but if people would stop doing stupid shit by thinking more clearly about it and better planning, they would still not be able to justify their own exsistance...unfortunately, there are enough dumb asses out here to keep them in business...and we all know - You Can't Fix Dumb ASS!lol

 

[BrnCow]

We all know internally that the rich bastards that established and sold the LEO idea in the first place had no right to do so.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Yup. We have the right to make up our own minds.. For the better or worse, no matter. LEO has no right F that shit. Don't F with the holy herb. This plant will win. LEO choose your sides, F compromise

 

[paulo73]

No compromises for me.
I will make my own decisions when comes to Cannabis.
To grow, to smoke, to eat, to sell, to give away is a case of individual rights and only if i ever feel the need i will look for advice relating with it.
Legalization, Normalization, Taxation is just all bollocks to me. Who the hell are they to tell me what to do? And even more important why would i take them seriously?!?!?!
Cannabis has become a too big NON-ISSUE for me to pay any attention to it.
My decision is to grow more and better weed. Give it away free if possible but if not sell it for the cheapest possible price.
Share your knowledge/gear/genetics with like minded people.
Take safety&stealth to unheard levels and have a plan for when shit hits the fan, eventually it will.
Keep yourself informed but don´t get manipulated.
Fight for your own dreams&visions without caring too much about what the world thinks about it.
It´s time for us to raise and shine.

 

[lost in a sea]

never trade birth rights for state priviledges.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Assume the rights afforded to oneself at birth. Assume the rights awarded through the transaction of taxation, we are in charge! Be in charge of oneself and help others become self-aware and self-sufficient.. Do not compromise on your rights. Like Lost said, do not trade what is your right.

 

[banga jeff]

it was interesting going through this site, and i also when marijuana to be legalizes like now

 

[neuroherb]

LOL I thought this topic was dead years ago. Flawed logic ROFLMAO 50% of the people claiming rights of birth will be the ones telling their kids cannabis is as evil as smack where do you think these politicians that smoke cannabis and create prohibition laws come from but younger people who once claimed they had the right to do anything they wanted most of them still think they do.

Or that an idiot grower that stores their PH Down somewhere their child can drink it has nothing to do with cannabis, but another idiot grower in the US who stores their chemicals in reach of children is a poor victim of the state when they take the kids away. Do the search on the forums you'll find the same people arguing for both points of view. Basically a lot of people will argue whatever point of view suits their opinion.

The only right birth gives you is the right to exist before you grow old and die everything else is either given to you at the behest of society, your country or the wealth of your parents. Try going back to the feudal system and see how long most last in the Mad Max world when your neighbours bring the AK47 over take your stash and everything you have.

There was a chance to be serious about this a long time ago but for many moons its provided nothing but a good laugh for me as I watch what looks like a bunch of petulant kids bouncing up and down going i want , i want, i want.

Legalisation will only ever come once they need it for taxation and its always a compromise why do you think the Nederlands has a hard / soft drug policy, Portugal has redirection as a health concern most of the US states have only gone so far as medical use except for a few that made it a misdameanor to smoke in public.

Thanks for the laugh folks but I won't be back to the thread so any rants will only be for your own use.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

The fact that it was PH down, used in growing dope, is irrelevant. It is just a chemical of which there are hundreds in every household. They still spray DDT in my country in homesteads as part of a government malaria program. It is still sold to them by Du Pont, the US is still earning some fresh tax dollars and hermaphrodite and 'defective' children are still being born today. Nice one ey'.

The real issue is lack of responsibility with chemistry. And correct storage of chemicals. The real issue is ignorance and the cause would be lack of education. Maybe if you lived in a 'less civilized' country you might see it differently; you'll miss the reply but in fact you have far less freedom that you assume. The sky will not fall with a less influential state, people just get on with it as they always did. You already live in a mad max world where the feds will do far worse than steal your stash for you doing what is your right. I am no kid. I have payed my way my whole life and am not in debt and have no morgage. I have inherited no monies and educated myself with money I earned or loaned and payed back. I owe society nothing and have spent half my life doing 'society' favours at great risk to myself with no shame because it was the right thing to do. Not all of us 'owe' a debt to society.
These rights I talk about are actually enshrined in the United Nations legislature, signed and ratified as supreme law by most countries in the world and is not a pie in the sky idea. Educate yourself, you have the right to do what ever you like so long that you are not causing harm to innocent as a result...anything else goes against evolution, logic and the greater good of society. This has been agreed upon by intellectuals, leading statesmen and great minds the world over.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Anything else is like asking me to cut my hair because you don't like my hairstyle. No, it is my body, F-OFF! The safe storage of the scissors if there are kids around is another issue altogether that does not affect my freedom to choose my hairstyle. Simple. If you don't get it...get your foot off my rights!

 

[RetroGrow]

No negotiation with terrorists!
Period.