Snow Moon and Lilly at Lat 51 and then some other stuff

[Zumurrud calina]

Hola, my Ace growing bredren and sistren, bred/sis/sis/bred/not made mind updren (sic). All are welcome - even those whose eyebrows join up in the middle.
This thread is just to document my attempts to grow Snow Moon from Ace and Lilly from Delicatessen at Lat 51, they say they can be grown at 47 so i like a challenge! The SM should be fine and has just started to flower (as has the other indica in the back) but the Lilly is just having a think for a day or 2 and the leaves are the most sat of any i have grown so it need to get a shufty on methinks.
They've been out for 6 weeks and so far the weather has been perfect, which as anybody who vaguely knows the UK knows, means that is it for the year as far as a summer goes! The soil I'm using is my recycled soil from 2 years ago, basically coir/wormcast/wool compost/charcoal. I then compost it down with roots in (and add any rootball from other grows) for a year or so and it's ready to go spring time after a few goodies are added. The ferts are comfrey PSG and neemcake which is essential for outside grows as it keeps the nasties (borg etc) away. I don't grow trees but usually get a satisfactory 80-100g or so a plant of serviceable bud which I bubble most of.
I will now try to post some pics but I gave up on this site because it stopped letting me post pics even though I made them tiny so if it goes wrong then if any mods want to sort them out then feel free!

Snow Moon, tied and growing through handle of 30l pot:




Lilly, still short and I'm not sure whether to top, tie or leave au natural:



All 3:



Thanks for looking, any and all input welcome. I won't update more than every week or so and the idea is to document my first Ace indoor grow later in the year as well. I'm off to cook my roast lamb now!

ZC

 

[Zumurrud calina]

pic update

pic update

Ok, quick pic update, and apologies but the pics aren't great (and bloomin' tiny!) as i haven't got the will to muck around with them as i have the ear infection from hell and I'm thoroughly pissed off!
All seems ok with all plants, I've not really fed/watered them at all but i have sprayed them with Plant Magic boost and 'delta 9' this week I also added a biotab to the indicas as they will prob need the extra ferts - the other plant is i think green crack from humboldt - it's def GC but I'm just not sure whose!
The indicas have def been flowering for 2 weeksish so should be done the start of Oct but the Lilly has prob only just started so I've a feeling she will be undercooked with the no doubt crappy autumn ahead!

Snow moon





Lilly




t'other 1



Thanks for looking and it might start to get interesting soon........

ZC

 

[Guest]

Looking good. Lilly is a staple in my rotations. She is unique. I'll be watching with much interest!

 

[Zumurrud calina]

Hi mate, thanks for looking. If you were a betting man (I am!) what would you say she'll get up to height wise? I ummed and arred about height control and decided to tie her through the handle as sats can explode in flowering and although she's staring to take hold now I'm guessing she won't get over 2m?
I've super cropped the snow moon and topped the GC but the main stem is now a fair bit shorter than the lower stems (on Lilly) so i don't think I'll need to do much more to her. Some of the lower leaves have lost a bit of colour but I've eased off the 'N' in the soil mix as most sats need less. She aint most sats though!

 

[Baron Greenback]

My snow Moons are well into flower now - they decided to start flowering at the beginning of June (!) and then went back into reveg. With how advance they are now, I'm hoping for a last week of September harvest.
They are exactly as dubi says on the variety description, dark green leaves, squat and bushy. I'm hoping for a half decent yield, they look like they'll do 200g plus per plant, which would be nice. They can definitely take a decent amount of nutrient too, I used the full dose of Canna BioVega and have just started them on their flowering nutrient at pretty much manufacturer's recommended strength.
Happy growing, hope the weather holds for you

 

[Zumurrud calina]

Cheers - not sure if you are in the UK but the problem is what sun there is from about halfway trough Sep is weak. Mould i can handle as i check every day but intermittent weak sunshine I can't control! I've toyed with the idea of force flowering early so plants can finish over July/August and get the sun but never have.
I'm going to give a compost tea when they eventually need a hand water, or near the end of the stretch. I have plenty of feeds if need be but I like comfrey and might make that into a liquid feed for late flowering if need be.

 

[Baron Greenback]

Not in the UK any more, but have grown outside whilst I was there; I'd be surprised if you have any sort of frost or anything to affect a harvest.
dubi said he specifically bred this one to be fast finishing, 8 weeks or so was his aim, so you should be ok.

 

[farmerlion]

I have a couple Snow Moons going now also. They are buried in the middle of some other plants. I may move some around tomorrow and take a couple pics. I have 14 girls going under three 600 HPS lights. My SM's are on the lanky stretchy side. They look more like a Zamal Hash than a short squat Indica plant. I'm waiting to see your Lillies mature. That is one I have thought of getting for seed stock. Pulling up a chair. Good luck with your grow. Peace

 

[dubi]

Hi Zumurrud calina,

Thanks for starting an outdoor grow diary, should be interesting to see how the genetics perform in a colder climate.

Hope you have a warm, not so rainy end of summer (although this is a bit difficult in UK). Please, keep us updated. Best wishes.

 

[Zumurrud calina]

How very dare you Mr Dubi sir - cold climate indeed........... Seriously, the weather has been good so far and long term it looks ok as well. I'll update with pics later in the week and include my indoor stuff now that is up and running. The plants are under attack from thrips atm but gave them a spray with pyrethrum 5ec which should do the trick, maybe with another spray and then a neem watering in a few days just to make sure. The 'lilly' is really short though and i shouldn't have tied it!
I've had a stonking big win on the horses as well so i might be putting in another order for cracking good seeds that i don't need!

 

[Baron Greenback]

Some **** has stolen my Snow Moons, in my fucking garden no less.
****s, hope it fucking chokes you.

 

[Zumurrud calina]

That's a pisser BG - any suspicions who? They obv don't know what they are doing as I presume they were nowhere near ready - any bolshie kids in your near vicinity?

 

[Baron Greenback]

I have no idea who, but as you say, nowhere near ready.
I heard a tractor at around 4am, must have been that. My dogs bark at absolutely nothing all the time and then when I need them to do their job, nothing.
Absolutely gutted.

 

[gorilla ganja]

Sorry for your losses Baron Greenback. Nothing worse than a thief.

Plants are looking good Zumurrud calina. Hope they finish on time for you.

Peace GG

 

[dubi]

I'm so sorry to hear it Baron Amazing they want to stole plants that are not even in flowering yet. Unfortunately outdoor growers here suffer the same problem every year.

 

[Baron Greenback]

@dubi - They had recovered from their reveg and looked just beautiful. They had the dark green leaves and squat appearance as your description says.
They were the "white" phenos and were just starting to put on that frost, would've been lovely.
Still have a Kali China hidden away and she is also absolutely beautiful, so fingers crossed for that.

 

[Zumurrud calina]

Indoor as well with fytocell

Indoor as well with fytocell

All's good. I gave them a tea topped with PM essence which they all seemed to like. Just a simple wormcast and PSG mix brewed in hessian bag, air pump, and heater for the essence for 12 hrs. Then sprayed neat and then diluted 50/50 and watered. The lilly seems to be a bit of a runt, it's possible she doesn't like the soil and it might not have dried enough - i.e it's always been a bit claggy - bit of a chicken and egg though.
Anyway, she is the most advanced flowering wise but as you can see the Snow Moon is much more vigorous. The lilly would be about as tall as the GC on the left if i hadn't tied her down but there are 2 main colas so I'll see what we get.

Group



Snow Moon




Meanwhile at a secret location on the other side of town.............

My indoor grow is up and running. I've got 2 Peyote Purple and 2......I'm not sure what. They were feeebies from Ace for some very minor indiscretion with an order earlier this year and I've written on them 'Mal x Pan 13w' (for weeks). I think i got that from a thread on here that said freebies were such seeds so can someone confirm it with these pics please? There are 2 phenos or 2 different strains with the 1 on the left, fatter leaves and always been bigger:

Group



Pan x Mal and Mal x Pan?




They are at about 4 weeks from breaking ground, first 2 weeks under a 4x 24 t5 then a 150 mh and now a 250 mh. The medium is a modification of my last grow as that worked but needed improvements, basically it is a hydro medium 'fytocell'. I took a bag and a half and mixed that with 9l of coir/wormcast/charcoal (70/20/10), this gave about 35l of medium. The coir/cost (C/c/ch) mix is the main improvement as to that i added a half measure of 'ecothrive charge' some high p PSG and 5 buffer tabs crushed. I also added some 'mineral magic' and i think some rockdust though I've a feeling i forgot that!
I mixed that with the fytocell and watered with a full strength 'fishmix' solution and let it brew for a few days. I potted up last Sat (27th), adding a little neemcake and they are in 11l pts with a layer of seramis on the bottom to which I put some palm tree ash (k) a little more psg and some comfrey pellets - not enough for feed but to help the microherd later on. I watered them in with 'ghe bioroots' and put another whole bio tab in the peyote's but not the mystery plants.
Basically I've treated the fytocell as a compost - the manufacturers' say this can be done but so few seem to have tried. It is 100% inert so i have to put life into it which is done with the C/c/ch mix. It always maintains around the perfect air/moisture ratio, in a week or so's time I'll put them in a single 60cm square tray and a single 'easy to go' autopot unit.
I'll update with lights info as i go. I'll water mainly plain water with maybe some hesi supervit and powerzyme now and then and will make a home-made comfrey solution for a flower feed which goes through the autopots very well if needed for later in the grow. I'm very happy with the plants as i was a little wary of there being too much feed for the sats but other than a hint of tip 'burn' they seem to be doing everything they should!
Forgot to say i also added some 'humate ag from 'Viresco' and will be using something from them mid grow if need be.
Thanks for looking.

 

[Baron Greenback]

If those are Malawi x Panama be prepared for a long flowering time - it is however, absolutely outstanding weed, long lasting, soaring high, lovely flavour and beautiful flowers.
All looking nice too, good work

 

[Zumurrud calina]

Hi baron, that was kind of my thinking - do a shortish flowering indica and a long sat and see what problems (or not) arise with the growing medium. In other words if it handles both of these ok then I'm good to go without too much messing around. The only problem i really see is possible ph problems later on but that was all ok last time. It's possible the c/c/ch mix might cause some acidification (organic matter 'decomposing' in non organic environment) but i think it should be ok.
Forgot to say that i applied the compost tea to the indoor plants as well and gave them a 1/2l of dilute and they liked it as mush as the outdoor. Weather should be good for a while - a little warm for the indoor though and I need the delivery of my new 'hyper stealth' fan quickly to give me more control over temps - it will come just as the temps drop!

 

[farmerlion]

Baron Greenback, Sorry to hear of your loss my friend. Here is a pic of one of my Snow Moon's.https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=377750&stc=1&d=1473636007 I hope your Kali China turns out to be your best plant ever. Peace