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Clackamas Coot

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That statement was in reference with people who grow plants for re-sale and not for hobby gardeners.

Let's say you get a contract for 1,000 plants from a major nursery grower who sub-contracts with smaller growers for small runs of semi-rare plants. And the going rate is around $15.00 per plant accepted at the end of the season. So basically you're looking at a gross return of $15,000.00 with them providing you with rooted clones and set at 4" in height.

The standard are the typical lipped nursery stock containers, the #1 which sell for about $.35 each in lots of 1,000 or more. Bigger breaks for 5,000 lots. But if you want to use some really fancy, schmancy growing pot - that's not their concern. You could have pots weaved out of hand-beaten hemp threads by young virgin Turkish saute chefs if you want. That's not their concern. They're going to run your plants that they receive from you through a machine that grabs the plant by the trunk and removes it from the growing put and places it into a new pot, with the nursery's name and label for that specific plant and the pots you brought are collected by 3rd parties and taken to be processed into new nursery stock pots for next year.

You think that anyone is going to spend $8.00 per plant for a container that 'might' be better than other self-pruning pot of which there are at least 10 products at last count? Seriously?

They're a nice little product for what it is - a product in search of filling a need. Perhaps with the grow store industry they'll find a reason to continue. Not much use in the real world however. Their lack of distributors is proof positive of that.

2 weeks to get your order? That's not how things work in this industry. With these growers, 2 days is usually a stretch because you have to cut hay when the sun shines as the expression goes.
 
I understand where CC is coming from. Like said above when your growing your own, price is no option when it comes to quality of your ladies. I am always trying to do whatever I can to make sure they get the strongest and healthiest they can get, and never a bit of stress. So if your a smaller time gardener and are trying to get a nice heavy yield for yourself of some really High Qualty Dank...then would these be the best thing to roll with, since Im going all soil.....and not selling my plants to anyone at any nursery....LoL....Ill be hacking them down myself, as well as all the trimming! LoL...no machines here!! Just a Volcano!!!!!
 

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RE: Transplanting when using SmartPots.

One bit of advice when transplanting plants grown in smaller SmartPots up to a larger pot is when removing the plants you must do it very, very gently.

I grab the pot and hold it in one hand on the bottom of the pot. Take your other hand and begin to gently roll the pot along the bottom of the pot and then down away from the root ball moving the plant in a circular pattern in your hand so that you are 'rolling' the pot away equally on all sides.

Keep this up until the pot is completely away from the root ball and transplant as your normally do.

'Rollng' the pot away is the only way I've found to reduce transplant shock and prevent root damage.

HTH

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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When you get a contract to grow, they provide you with the number that you need + 30% more. So for 1,000 plants to be produced, they provide you with 1,300 usually with a provision that they'll buy the additional if they meed the standard for that specific plant, size, leaf structure, branching, etc. The clones are done via tissue culture propagation so there's little labor cost involved on their end.

So now you've got trays and trays of 4" clones and now it's off to one of the potting sheds. There they have a set price which includes a #1 pot (or any size you want actually), their soil, etc. You can, if you wish, bring your own soil but few people do. We're growing nursery stock here.

The machines pick up an entire tray of clones (100 ea.) and they are automatically placed in semi-filled pots and then filled with soil and then they move onto the next station where they are watered down to the appropriate hydration level.

Back into the truck and now you have your grow ready for the season. The reason that some of us do this is not to make a lot of money - you don't. But what it does provide is a way around Oregon's arcane property tax laws. If you grow something on your property and sell it then you pay the agricultural land tax rate which is far, far less than what you pay if you go out and buy 5 acres just to have a big front yard. It's $1,000.00s and $1,000.00 difference.

So their soils are loaded up with enough 'nutrients' for the entire season. You have to keep them watered and that's pretty much it.

No real science - just down and dirty so that folks can wander around HomeDepots around the country to buy plants that may or may not make it through their local seasonal weather.

Interesting business.

CC
 
Thanks CC. Im debating on if I should grab these or not. I know Im just trying to get the best quality I can out of my grow along with weight! So Im sure more aeration and drainage would be good, but the question is how good?! Does it make that much of a difference in the herb?
After reading most of this thread it seems these are the way to go. I have an extremley rich mix I use which is FFOF with lots of added goodies, and 30% light warrior. I would bet using these with my mix would really be nice! Im just wondering, what would I transplant my clones into after my aerocloner roots my clones, what would be the best size to transplant them in, and then since Im gonna be in 4x4 flood trays, under a 1k what would be the best size smart pot to go with, probably a 5 gallon right? It seems most use 3-5 gallon pots, and I figure their the same with smart pots...but Im just a little confused on what I should transplant my rooted clones into?!

CanaDan420

RE: Transplanting when using SmartPots.

One bit of advice when transplanting plants grown in smaller SmartPots up to a larger pot is when removing the plants you must do it very, very gently.

I grab the pot and hold it in one hand on the bottom of the pot. Take your other hand and begin to gently roll the pot along the bottom of the pot and then down away from the root ball moving the plant in a circular pattern in your hand so that you are 'rolling' the pot away equally on all sides.

Keep this up until the pot is completely away from the root ball and transplant as your normally do.

'Rollng' the pot away is the only way I've found to reduce transplant shock and prevent root damage.

HTH

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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Thanks CC. Im debating on if I should grab these or not. I know Im just trying to get the best quality I can out of my grow along with weight! So Im sure more aeration and drainage would be good, but the question is how good?! Does it make that much of a difference in the herb?
CanaDan420

I feel that they're 'that good' to justify the cost. They're widely used commercially in the sapling sector. They probably account for 40% of the pots used for saplings.

Here's why: Saplings are slow growing and generally require a couple of seasons on the grower's property before they're market ready. In the summer the temperatures, along with the humidity, take a huge toll on nursery plants sitting in the normal plastic nursery pots. Especially if you're growing in 25 gallon and larger pots.

The aeration and cooling of the root ball is important to provide the best growing environment.

Back to our favorite plant - the reason that I started using them was for the aeration and cooling in the summer when keeping plants healthy in 90F+ weather can be challenging to say the least.

When you harvest a plant and remove the root structure from the soil (I reuse my soil over and over and over) and you see the massive root structure then you'll be sold on them.

The other main feature that I like about SmartPots is that cleaning pots between cycles is very important. At the wholesale level, pots are a recyclable product. College students make good money in the summer months picking up used pots and hauling them away to the pot manufacturers up and down the highway. So nursery pots were never designed to be a permanent product.

With the SmartPots I just take them over to a laundromat, put in a cup or of Oxyclean and they come out looking like new. No need to dry them as their fabric make-up prevents them from retaining much water at all.

Affordable. Functional. Reusable.

CC
 
Nice so basically its just a regular pot redesigned. So basically use the same size I would have if in regular pots, these pots are just literally smart...lol....and do all the work themselfs. Thats awesome, cause If you get that much better growth than I dont understand why people still use the other kind. I think these sound great and I wanna give them a shot, I just wonder should I get the one gallon or two gallon to transplant my clones into, from my aerocloner?
 

Hammerhead

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here are 2 Kali Mist. 1 is in a smart pot 7g the other is in a square 5g. I'm not seeing any big differences between them. The smart Pot is 5" taller. They have started budding so we will see if they bud differently



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I recommend the #2 SmartPots of newly rooted clones if transplanting up to a larger pot is your preferred method of growing.

I found the #1 SmartPots to be more trouble than they were worth because to take the plant up to 12" or so with this little tiny 'shoe' resulted in some plants toppling over from time to time.

That was my experience anyway.
 

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One major difference that I noticed was during the period when I was transitioning from plastic nursery pots to the SmartPots product was the huge difference in the root structure when comparing one to another of the same strain from the same donor mother plant.

About that same time I began to recycle my soil and even though I don't use any chemical fertilizers, just compost teas a couple of times a cycle and fish enzyme with seaweed extract - the soil from the plastics containers always had a slight 'off odor' - it's hard to explain.

The soils from the SmartPots smelled like a good organic soil should smell. Like a forest in the early morning. I attribute that to the aeration that the soil gets from top to bottom with any of the auto-pruning pot growing systems. And there are a bunch with most made from plastic if that's your preference.

HTH

CC
 

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Here's a product that is produced on the East Coast as well as California - The Accelerator which is made from recycled plastic products.

Nice product and widely used commercially.

Another concept to consider perhaps.

CC
 
can you make your own smart pots? If you just make a bunch of extra holes up and down the sides of your regular pots would that accomplish the same thing? I'm really cheap in case no one noticed.
 

Clackamas Coot

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can you make your own smart pots? If you just make a bunch of extra holes up and down the sides of your regular pots would that accomplish the same thing? I'm really cheap in case no one noticed.
The manufacturer says that they're made from a 'woven polypropylene material' and there are a ton of links for these types of products.

They're not very thick - probably 1/8" at the most.
 

Hammerhead

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My point with my post was if there is no potential gain in yield or quality I wont buy anymore.
 
http://www.hort-enterprises.com/ I found this in a post earlier in this thread. Not too badly priced. Its something I would consider, but I hear Hammerhead on the point of quality and yield. I dont know ANYTHING about smartpots but I can say that I know what CC is talking about when he talks about the foul off oder. Its rather foul....kinda smells like when your driving by the shitplan in a way....lol...I dunno not that bad but kinda like poo. LoL....I think that if these help aerate the soil as well as it says, and keeps the roots from spinning round and round that they have got to put out an overall better quality at least, I hope at least because I really wanna give these a try, I like that their permanent, lightweight, keep the soil clean smelling, and help with microbrial life. I dunno though, I have never known anyone who uses these, Im sure I have blazed from smartpots though...lol
 

zolar

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just found a thing called an earth box earthbox.com sounds asorta liker a smart pot

they have an organic versiopn ready to plant w/organic nuttes
 
zolar thats quite a different thing than the smart pots. The Smart Pots have small holes all around the pot and keep the roots going in a down ward motion.
The EarthBox is completley different though. With the EarthBox, theres a reservoir at the bottom with a tube coming through basically to add more water with and also to see how full it is. It makes the soil act like a wic in kerosen in a way. It also makes sure you never over or underwater. In my honest opinion I think these are great especially if you put a couple of Air Stones in the bottom part!

So go with the #2 Smart pot for new rooted clones, and say I want equivelant to a 5 gallon pot, should I get the #5? I was just wondering are these about the same size as a standard nursery sized pot in its sizes?
 
How many Smart Pots could I fit in a 4x4 flood table that Im going to put under my new quantum dimmable 1k. I figure running 750 watts will be good for the first 5-6 weeks then to 1k. How many plants would you put under a light like this, I want to use the Smart Pots, It really seems like they grow a lot better! How many cu ft. would I need to mix up to put in the pots? Thanks in advance!
 

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How many Smart Pots could I fit in a 4x4 flood table that Im going to put under my new quantum dimmable 1k. I figure running 750 watts will be good for the first 5-6 weeks then to 1k. How many plants would you put under a light like this, I want to use the Smart Pots, It really seems like they grow a lot better! How many cu ft. would I need to mix up to put in the pots? Thanks in advance!
CanaDan420

That's about the size of my SunHut tent deal and I'm allowed 6 plants under Oregon law and that works well for me. I was running 5 gallon SmartPots but had to switch to 7 gallons because of health reasons. Longer cycles between waterings with larger pots.

Keep in mind that a 5 gallon SmartPot actually holds 5 gallons. A #5 nursery pot is only 5.75 gallons. And a #1 nursery pot is only .75 gallons. Weird system.

Basically 1 cf. = 28 qts/7 gallons so that should give you a starting point to do the necessary calculations.

If you are using either the ProMix or the Sunshine Mix bales, those are 3.8 cf. and let's say that you add 1 cf. of compost and 1.2 cf. of perlite or pumice then that would give you 6 cf. of mixed soil which would be 42 gallons.

That's fairly accurate and definitely close enough.

HTH

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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RE: 750 watts

I'm only running a 600 watt HPS bulb so you should kick-ass with that size of light I would think.

Exhaust often! LOL
 
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