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Signs that a collapse is under way.

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turbolaser4528

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we cant fail, we are the USA!

seriously though, how could other countries let that happen, dont they need us? We are the largest economy in the world still..
 

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we are seeing a variety of opinions of what collapse will mean
seems to be 2 schools of thought, 1 is civilization collapse, Road Warrior type stuff
the other is USA government collapse - whatever that entails - i've found history is the best place to look for lessons
the 2 most recent large collapses(that i recall), the USSR and the British Empire
USSR no longer exists, but the people(and ethnic lines) that lived under it are intact, there was no mass starvation or apocalyptic war, social disruption and lowered standard of living which persists for some(pensioners typically)
the British Empire gently went away - Great Britain itself did not suffer extensively, but the standard of living did drift down for a while
not quite the visions some hold here

It may be more like "Escape From New York". The inner cities are full of people who rely solely on the government. Housing is provided, food it provided. What are they to do when the government stops the checks? What is it...almost 50 million people on food stamps? over 40% of the population getting SOMETHING from the government. It's going to get ugly.

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Bingo..Yup, i've done countless school reports on this horse shit. It's frustrating too, we really just need public campaigning and financing for future presidential elections, like in Europe. That way every candidate wouldn't need over $50 million to have a shot at presidency. Or my own young generation could simply get the fuck off their asses and learn to vote, and vote the pricks out of office.
And I've read awhile back that researchers found for every dollar that a company spends lobbying congress, that company sees a $220 return on their investment. Which basically renders the act of lobbying, more profitable than the cocaine trade. Crazy shit right? but this problem has been compounded by that semi-recent Supreme Court ruling on the lawsuit brought by Citizens United, that political action committee funded by the fucking billionaire Koch brothers.
With that decided, the court ruled corporations, like private citizens, to have the right to donate essentially as much money as they please. Thus, this unprecedented breach of congressional law opened the floodgates of corporate money to influence and and purchase elections. Undoubtedly, donations come to the aid of these piece of shit rich politican's willing to work in favor of business, even at the detriment of these politicians constituents.
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People don't realize that government/big business is a revolving door. The same people run/own both. Politicians are whores going to the highest bidder.

Microsoft supposedly tried going the "non lobbiest" route and got the shit sued out of it. It started "playing ball" and now you don't hear a peep from anyone. Corporations buy their own regulations.

we cant fail, we are the USA!

seriously though, how could other countries let that happen, dont they need us? We are the largest economy in the world still..

Do they need US? Why? We're just the fat cat overpaid CEO...a middleman, taking a "vig" out of everything they do. Think about it...WE (the USA) are the Mafia. We offer "protection" and take a piece, a cut, out of everyone's business.

Oil is the key...and we'll go to war over it. I'm thinking the Obama administration is lulling in the Muslims, the Arabs, with his harsh stance on the Jews. Making it look like there's a rift between the USA and Israel. A misdirection. All the while, we try to make ME governments fall and put in "cheaper" puppet governments. To either get better oil prices or for easy toppling later when we're ready to strike.

Dollars for oil is what keeps this country going. The world subsidizes yours and my standard of living. The dollar WILL remain the world currency...by war if necessary...or a new currency...NWO anyone?...will take over if that's what "they" want.

Are we important to the world? Only is as much as we owe them or could squash them with our military. People say it's not nice to talk and plan about a dollar replacement...it tends to get you thrown out of power.

I'm waiting for the end of June...the end of POMO (About $6 billion a day) to see what happens. I'm like 95% in cash right now...waiting. Ready to pounce on DXD, QID, shit like that. Then buy the big yielders again when they go on sale for half price.

What else is there to do? Who wants Mad Max? That would suck.
 

Stoner4Life

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Signs that a collapse is under way.

The chief of the International Monetary Fund can't afford a decent incall service & must resort to raping chamber maids instead.......
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Not to mention that the majority of France believes the confrontation is a sign that IMF dude is healthy and virile.:)
 

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Guest Post: Things Are Spinning Out Of Control
Things Are Spinning Out of Control

The pretense of centralized control of history is wearing thin.

The single greatest conceit of the Status Quo in the U.S., China and Euroland is that systems and trends can be tightly controlled. That conceit is slowly being revealed as hubris, as all sorts of things are spinning out of the control of the centralized authorities and financial elites in each geopolitical power center.

Does anyone really think the people of Greece will stand idly by while the state treasures of their nation are transferred to the banks which foolishly lent billions to a visibly risky enterprise? The banks, of course, lent freely to insolvent governments throughout the European Union, confident in the backstop of the E.U. itself.

The analogy to subprime mortgages in the U.S. is near-perfect: banks lent freely to extremely risky borrowers, breezily confident that their worker-bees in the Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Treasury and Congress would all toil feverishly to transfer the risk to the U.S. taxpayers, by whatever means were necessary.

Does anyone really think the uprisings against this transfer of national wealth to the "too big to fail" banks in Europe will fade as unemployment rises and the true costs of the transfer become apparent to all?

Does anyone really think there is no chance that the citizens of one of the nations lined up to be stripmined by the E.U. will openly rebel against the stripmining, throwing out their government until they find some politicians who are not spineless lackeys and factotums of the financial Status Quo?

Does anyone really think the banks are really that precious to the people they are stripmining? Just how awful would it be if all the big banks with exposure to sovereign debt in the E.U. went belly up and were declared insolvent? A handful of very wealthy managers would lose their jobs, a handful of very wealthy owners would lose their stake, and all the pension funds and mutual funds which bet on the infinite passivity of the citizenry and the infinite checkbook of the E.U. would lose, too.

It's called Capitalistic risk and return, baby, and return can be negative. All the big players assumed the citizenry would quietly line up to have the clothing ripped from their backs and their flesh flayed to extract the pound of flesh "owed" the banks. But as the citizenry of Europe wake up to costs of the stripmining, which extends now to the taxpayers of Germany, Finland and beyond, they are withdrawing their support of the financial Status Quo.

Here is my plea: Ireland, Please Do the World a Favor and Default (November 29, 2010).

Things are spinning out of the control of the centralized mandarins in the E.U. They seem to have borrowed the Federal Reserve's playbook to keep the stripmining proceeding as planned: lie, frequently (practice helps); obscure systemic risks by printing money; and issue a foul sewage of propaganda about how nicely the economy is "recovering" to mask the real game, which is diverting the national income stream to the banking cartel.

The levers of interest rates, credit and money supply do not control larger trends; the appearance of control is illusory. The E.U. and the Fed are both busily applying the duct tape of various monetary machinations to the overheating boilers of the global economy, and presenting their frantic improvisations as "finely tuned, guaranteed to work" policies. As things spin out of their control, reality is poking through their rice-paper facade of "normalcy" and control.

Here in the U.S., the Fed's game plan of stripmining the nation to "save" the banking cartel is based on a cruel deceit I explained yesterday in The 'Baseball' Economy: The Fed Strikes Out (May 24, 2011): while the Fed maintains incentives for financial speculation and backstops any cartel losses in those speculations, it claims its policies are designed to "boost employment" in the real economy.

That is the world's most dangerous joke: if you believe it, you die from extreme irony. What the Fed is actually doing is starving the real economy and thus precluding any gains in employment as it diverts the national income to fatten the insolvent banking cartel.

Does anyone seriously believe their scam can endure? As I described in Your Pick, Ben, But One Goes Off the Cliff (April 22, 2011), the Fed's policies are setting up multiple double-binds. The Fed cannot finesse the unraveling of the entire financialization project.

There is currently a "great debate" over QE3, the next round of Fed "stimulus" (read stripmining). As things spin out of control, it no longer matters what the Fed does. That is, after all, their central conceit and the basis of their power: that the Fed actually controls anything. This quote, attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, is increasingly relevant: "Do you know what amazes me more than anything else? The impotence of force to organize anything."

The Fed claims it can force the real economy to "grow" by forcefeeding it credit. But all the Fed is really doing is fattening the banking cartel with guaranteed profits (borrow from the Fed for free and then deposit the funds at the Fed for interest) and enabling another speculative frenzy which generates fees and profits for the banking cartel while the U.S. taxpayers play bagholder.

The Fed has lost control of the reaction to QE3. There is no "surprise" in QE3, so the potential positive is lost. Whatever the limitations the Fed imposes on QE3, they will be recognized as limiting the "high" of the credit-cocaine injected by the Fed.

If the Fed chooses an open-ended, essentially infinite QE3, then it will be recognized by the market that the Fed has lost all control and the pretense of "growth" is truly threadbare. No matter what the Fed does with QE3, the results will be negative. If they try to finesse a limited QE3, the markets will recognize the policy is unable to force-feed more speculative bubbles. If the Fed unleashes the printing press, then inflation will wrench free of the last rotten ropes restraining it, and the market will recognize that the current stock and bond bubbles are so tenuous that only unlimited money printing can keep them inflated.

Simply put, things are spinning out of the Fed's control. The Fed has been transferring the wealth of the nation to the banking cartel and the financial Power Elite for three long years, and the fraud at the heart of their claim to be "stimulating" the real economy is now in plain view.

Does anyone really believe Japan's economy is under control? The tragedy at the out-of-control Daiichi Fukushima reactors might well be an analogy for the entire Japanese economy. Does anyone seriously believe Japan's over-indebted experiment in endless quantitative easing will sustain a demographic sea change and yet another explosion of debt to support rebuilding and more "stimulus," i.e. bailing out Japan's insolvent banking cartel, which has been insolvent for 20 years?

As for China: inflation is now out of control. Party authorities are frantically pulling the same levers of monetary policy, but the wires connecting the levers to the real economy have snapped. All their efforts to "cool" rampant speculative bubble-blowing and rampant inflation are failing. Taking their cue from the U.S., they are desperately trying to mask their loss of control with doctored statistics, but the conceit cannot endure for much longer: rents are rising even as housing sales decline. Local governments are still borrowing and speculating wildly, in a last-ditch effort to prop up their own income streams, which are dependent on real estate speculation and land grabs from peasants.

Things are spinning out of control. Trends are beyond the feeble grasp of central financial authorities. Power is based not just on controlling events in the real world but on the perception of having some control over the real world. Once the central banks' control over large-scale trends and systems is revealed as illusory, then the unraveling of the Status Quo's powers will gain momentum.
This is going to be a hard lesson for the world to learn. You cannot print your way to prosperity and central planning always fails on a grand scale.
 

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Looks like maybe the first shoe to drop may be Belarus. They came out of nowhere in the race the bottom with a surprise devaluation of their currency by 50%! Pretty amazing to go to sleep one night and then wake up to being an automatic 50% poorer.

Unfortunately thats not going to stop them from going down the hyper-inflationary tubes. This is what fiat paper in the hands of gangsters with printing presses gets you. And yes this is coming to the US. Despite what many Neo-Keyensian propagandist would have you believe the USA is not above basic economic theory. American exceptionalism does not make the country immune economic realities. Neither is Europe whose insolvency becomes more of an issue day by day.

You can only kick the can down the road so far before you have to pay the piper.

Welcome To Hyperinflation Hell: Following Currency Devaluation, Belarus Economy Implodes, Sets Blueprint For Developed World Future
"A ‘91-style meltdown is almost inevitable." So says Alexei Moiseev, chief economist at VTB Capital, the investment-banking arm of Russia’s second-largest lender, discussing the imminent economic catastrophe that is sure to engulf Belarus following the surprise devaluation of the country's currency by over 50%, which we announced on Monday. "Unless Belarus heeds Russia’s call for mass privatization of state assets, it is headed for “hyperinflation, massive un- and under-employment, and a shutdown of production" Moiseev concludes. Ah: "privatization" as Greece is about to learn, the lovely word that describes a fire sale of assets to one's creditors, courtesy of a "globalized" new world order. Ironically, this is precisely the warning that will be lobbed at each country in the developed world, as the global race to devalue currencies, first against each other on a relative basis, and ultimately against hard currencies, or on an absolute basis, as the world realizes that there simply is not enough cash flow to cover the interest payments on a debt load, in both the public and private sectors, that continues to rise at an astronomic rate, even as the world prepares to exit from the latest transitory, centrally-planned bounce in the Great Financial Crisis-cum-Depression that started in earnest in 2007 and has been progressing ever since. Ultimately, Belarus will succumb to hyperinflation, as will each and every other government seeking to devalue its currency (hint: all of them): "Unless Belarus heeds Russia’s call for mass privatization of state assets, it is headed for “hyperinflation, massive un- and under-employment, and a shutdown of production,” VTB’s Moiseev said. The ruble will slide to 10,000 per dollar, he added." Of course, this is the primary side effect of attempting to avoid formal bankruptcy through currency devaluation. And all those who continue to believe deflation is an outcome that will be allowed by the Fed, need to look just to the former Soviet satellite to see what lies in store for everyone currently doing all in their power to devalue their currency.

First look at the Belarus Ruble chart below: this is what always happens to every country that resolutely continues to live outside its means. Always.
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Some musing about the situation from Bloomberg:

On hyperinflation:
The price of children’s diapers has “gone completely insane” in Minsk, said Natalia, a 24-year-old mother also queuing outside the refrigerator store. “I used to buy a pack for 69,000 rubles, now they cost 140,000,” or almost half the 343,260-ruble monthly child benefit paid by the government, she said.

“We have become paupers,” said Tatiana, a 70-year-old woman in the line who also declined to give her last name. “We have been squeezed into a corner by this devaluation.”

Belarus’s dollar debt has been buoyed by news of the Russian loan, with the yield on the government’s debt due 2015 dropping four basis points to 9.881 percent by 6:35 p.m. in Minsk, the lowest since March 14. Dollar-denominated notes due 2018 yielded 10.38 percent, down six basis points.

The country has raised its refinancing rate twice since April 20 to 14 percent, the highest in Europe. The central bank also stopped selling foreign currency out of its reserves in March and will continue to stay out of currency markets, spokesman Anatoly Drozdov said by phone in Minsk yesterday.


On the coming catastrophe:
Unless Belarus heeds Russia’s call for mass privatization of state assets, it is headed for “hyperinflation, massive un- and under-employment, and a shutdown of production,” VTB’s Moiseev said. The ruble will slide to 10,000 per dollar, he added.

Unemployment was 0.7 percent in December, according to government data. Inflation accelerated to 14 percent in March, the fastest since April 2009 and more than neighboring Russia’s 9.6 percent in April. Imports into Belarus exceeded exports by $7.3 billion at the end of 2009, according to the latest annual data available.

Russian media are creating a “flurry” of speculation about the nation’s asset sales so they can “make good at our expense,” Lukashenko said today in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, according to comments reported by state news agency Belta. “But we will not throw anything to anybody for nothing.”
 

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wanna fix the country.

step 1. start beheading crooked bankers and politicians and display the heads over ther national debt sign.

step 2. FIX THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. dumb people cant fix a country.

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I'd say China is about to officially enter the End Game stage. Anyone who knows anything about economics and history knows what happens when governments start to enforce price controls. Resource scarcity and a lot of hungry people.

China's Cabinet May Impose Temporary Price Controls to Counter Inflation Bloomberg
China may impose temporary price controls to counter the fastest inflation in two years, the cabinet said.

Price caps on “important daily necessities” and production materials will be used if necessary, the State Council said on its website today after a meeting chaired by Premier Wen Jiabao.

China’s accelerating inflation has sent stocks and commodities sliding on speculation that efforts to curb prices will cool the world’s fastest-growing major economy. The State Council’s announcement came after the Shanghai Composite Index today extended to 10 percent its decline from an almost seven-month high on Nov. 8.

“This is about the strongest signal the government could give of its determination to slow price rises,” said Mark Williams, a London-based economist at Capital Economics Ltd. and a former China adviser for the U.K. Treasury. “Whether or not controls end up being widely implemented, the government will hope that the mere fact of the announcement will help to rein in inflation expectations.”

They've done this before. In 2007-2008 right before the SHTF.
 
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maybe the economic collapse will solve america's obesity epidemic...more hot skinny girls !! being hungry feels good sometimes too...peace homies !!
 

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^the poor kids are gonna get skinny and the rich folk are gonna get fatter. then eventually The poor kids will hunt, kill and devour the fat rich. Kinda like at Kamp Krusty. lol
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maybe the economic collapse will solve america's obesity epidemic...more hot skinny girls !! being hungry feels good sometimes too...peace homies !!

If there is a sudden collaspe many will not starve. The super obese may lose weight so fast that they will become "Skin bags"

Sudden weight loss leads to alot of lose skin.


A sudden collapse may end up saving many people's lives.
 

SpasticGramps

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Let's check the Federal Reserve's balance sheet.
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Well that's not good. QEIII is just about in the books too. From there it's QE and 0% interest rates to infinity. Good bye middle and lower classes. Inflation will crush them. But Bernanke doesn't care about that part of the country. He is enriching his banking cartel at our expense. What may end up being all of it.

Presenting The Fed's Slogan: "Making It Harder To Feed Your Family For 98 Years And Counting"
One of the side effects of the overarching "price stability" mandate of the Fed, it turns out, is the fact that since its inception, food and pretty much all other commodity prices have, well, gone up non stop.
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All of this, of course, is courtesy of the relentless loss of dollar purchasing power, shown below on a log scale. At this rate, the dollar will have negative purchasing power in under 10 years.
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Not the end of the world. Currency destruction has happened many times before. Not quite this scale, but it's change you can believe in.
 

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I wonder what would happen to Main Street if Wall Street was allowed to wither on the vine like some suggested should have happened to the big three automakers.

If there's anything scarier than being on the wrong track it's the possibility the status quot is the best we've got.

Goldman Sachs, a company famous for beating competitors at making money from nothing (for 150 years) used to value the investor. Sure they bled rich irresponsibles but by-and-large they succeeded because of integrity.

The housing bubble proved they'll sell even the smallest investor a gold painted turd. What makes it worse is one needn't involve themselves with financial preditors. Even the most conservative, long term retirement investments were sucked into the black hole of fast, risky trades.

The Fed may indeed lead us to the path of destruction. Wall Street is arguably making sure the rest of the world goes with us. If or when this happens, money won't disappear, it'll just aggregate into fewer hands.
 

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The last collapse was preceded by the sounds of bending metal. O wait, that was the last folding lawn chair I sat in. Carry on.
 

HempKat

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When people spend their time in forums on the internet talking about signs to look for.
 
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