Sigh, my troubles are endless...

[Cardboardts]

Heyoo,

Ok here is my 3rd post in the Cannabis Infirmary with the same problem and I still havent managed to fix it.

People have deffently tried to help its just that all the suggestions havent resolved my problems with the younger plants.

Here is the oldest:






It's around 3 weeks old and it's pretty fucked up. Yellow bottom leaves have fallen off already and the ones on top are yellow green and brown at the end. At first I thought it was nute burn and I repotted it and I havent feed it for a week and a half. The temps of the room range from 78 low and 85 high so I have ruled that out. The run off of the water is 6.0-6.4 ph. The water going into the plants is 6.0. The soil has no ferts in it and it's basic soil consisting of 50% peat 30% forest shit, and the other 20% is dirt I guess. I mix the soil with around a 4/3 raito of Soil/perlite. The lighting is a 150 watt HPS w/ a remote ballest. Yet still it looks like shit.


Now the younger ones are around 8 days old. They are starting to show the same problems.










Same water same temps same soil same everything.

Notice the white tips at the end of the bigger leaves. Wtf is that?

I've never had this amount of problems growing weed.....

Anybody got any help for a poor sap? PLEASE!

LOVE YOU IN ADVANCE FOR HELPING!!!!

 

[sproutco]

What exactly have they been fed? Be specific. Is there dolomite lime in the soil? Pictures aren't that clear with all that orange light.

 

[Cardboardts]

I Havent fed the littler ones anything but the bigger one was feed once, a week and a half ago a 1/4 dose of Micrale Gro liquid house plant food.
It's rated at 7-7-7.

But yah the little ones haven't been feed at all.

Yeah the lighting is not ideal. The HPS is the best lighting in the house right now though seeing as i tis dark out side.

 

[Cardboardts]

Also I dont have any Dlime.

 

[sproutco]

Its okay to feed the little ones once they get there first true leaves. Add 1/8 teaspoon powdered gypsum + epsom salts per gallon of water to supply cal mag sulfur along with the mg plant food. You can increase this to 1/4 teaspoon each once they get bigger. dolomite lime and gypsum mixed into the soil at planting avoids having to add these in the water.

 

[Cardboardts]

I can grab epsom salt from walmart but could I get the D-lime and the powdered gypsum there too? If not Homedepot is accross the street I guess I could go there.

But dam man Im wondering if this soil is fucked up or something because I've never had so much trouble getting weed to grow. Mind you I have never grown in soil before but I thought it was supposed to be eaiser. Im basicly trying to keep them alive for another 2 weeks cuase by that time I should get paid and be able to buy some dam hydro nutes.

 

[sproutco]

Read all of my links in my signature about making your own soil mix, etc. They should help you quite a bit. There is also some suggestions for store bought ferts and making your own.

 

[Cardboardts]

Hey one more quick question for yah.

There's not a way I could use this http://www.epinions.com/content_182389542532
for hydro nutes is there?

the back says:

8-7-6


Total N 8%
1.2 Ammonial N
1.2 Nitrate N
5.6 Urea N

Avable Phosphate 7%

Soluble Potash 6%

Iron 0.10%

Id probly need to add a ton of stuff right?

 

[sproutco]

In a veg fert you want:
>low amount of urea or ammonia used and mostly nitrate nitrogen
>2-1-2 ratio nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium
>contain all the micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, molybdenum
>contain calcium and magnesium if no dol. lime is in the soil or you need to boost levels
>contain sulfur if no gypsum added at planting to the soil or other sulfur based ferts are used
>potassium chloride not in it; instead potassium nitrate, pot. sulfate, or monopotassium phosphate instead

Investigate adjusting the ph of your fert water after mixing to about ph 6. Directions for making your own ph up and down are in my signature. The materials used can be found at the auto parts store or grocery store. Ph test strips can be used from the aquarium section of a pet store. 4 to 7 range will work. Getting a good ph meter that tests liquids should be on your shopping list when you get extra money.

 

[Cardboardts]

Awesome info there man, thanks again.

I think im going to try and track down the stuff in your guide and make my own nutes for hydro becasue where I live there have recently been 57 grow bust in the past 6 months so im a little worried about going into the local hydro shop.

Alas im broke and dont get paid till the 27th so I guess they will be sitting in that dirt for a while. So i'll try and suplment it as I much as I can and hopfuly they will strighten up and fly right.

Here are some better photos's too.

 

[Guest]

To me, it looks like some nute burn. I have a habit of reusing soil mix on young plants as a way to allow it to leach off the old nutes left behind and just give it ph'ed water until I plant it out of the cups into their first pot. I got the same kind of burning.

So to continue with my leeching of old soil idea, I backed off some of the old mix and only added a handful of old mixed with the rest new mix. The nute burn went away and it was receiving the right amount of nutes. It really seems to like this because the transpant from bubbleclone to soil recovery went to only a couple days before it starts it's process of forming new tips.

I'd definately back off the nutes - only give water to allow it to recover. Next feeding, dilute the nute mix to about 1/4 and slowly bring it up.

After I transplant from my cups to a pot, they recieve a 1/4 diluted saturation upon transplant into the pots. Nothing need more need be done until the shoots start coming out and it's time to train her. She begins regular light feedings from then on (1/2 to 3/4 strength). I like to only feed every other watering as well - to avoid excessive feeds.

Just back off your feedings and they'll come around. They are so young, they don't need much at all. Soil alone is usually enough. I feed mine by merely adding a handful of old nuted soil in with the new. It's enough feed for her to last until I get a decent root mass formed in my cups.