Sick Leaves...prognosis?

[persianp]

These leaves were picked mostly from the middle of my shiva skunk. I went through a period of ph problems, and flushed and flushed and flushed...so then what I think became the problem was that it became nute deficient...here's some pix of the leaves...i'll post some pics tomorrow of the whole plant...its in a soilless mix 40%castings,30%verm and perc....I just started using 1 capful of maxi crop and 1/2 teaspooon of earth juice grow per gallon of H20. I also have some other plants that have problems, but I can't take pics of em till tomorrow...but I kinda wanted to get started on this. I am using a 400 watt hps, and umm yea. Any suggestions ideas? I looked at the stitch post, and it could be so many defeciencies I was hoping you guys could help me out.

 

[Guest]

Any suggestions ideas?

ignore it.

you've taken all appropriate measures to solve the problem, looks like a lockout due to pH then ya flushed, the leaves show moisture stress, this is normal after a flush and sometimes the plant will look hella worse for a few days/week before things start to look normal again.

don't overdiagnose, and just continue with your normal feeding regimine once the can has completely dried up.

ps- what's the relative humidity?


be well

 

[persianp]

Thanks Jack, the humidity is at 66% right now, the room changes with the weather, and its rainy right now. Here are a few more pictures of the 2/3 smaller plants, and one look at the shiva skunk (its the big plant).
This one is the best looking, but on the new growth tips there still seems to be stress

Here's a closer look at it


This one is all messed up, its hurtin




And then the skunk



Just so you know, my feeding cycle is now every other time with fert...should leaves keep dying? I guess what I want to know id how much longer will elaves keep dying and shriveling up like that?

 

[Guest]

wow bro...mothafuckin' BUMP!!!!! stoner SOS! All hands All hands

wow bro...mothafuckin' BUMP!!!!! stoner SOS! All hands All hands

wow didn't realize they were in flower....this looks nasty, wish i could be of more help... here are some things you NEED to do, NOW......to narrow it down..

-check your pH with a manual test kit, the 'meters' they sell at depot made by 'rapidtest' are complete bullshit and a total waste of time and money. they do not give accurate readings, and to be honest with you, i have never been able to get even a single reading out of the thing, whatsoever.
go to the local nursery or pet store and pick up a disposable test kit or two, until you have cropped enoughto splurge on a Hanna®, or some such..

-if you arent already, start usin r/o or bottled distilled h2O - supplemented with epsom salts (do a search on proper delivery of epsoms;pulverize->warm water->mix->sit/cool->fertigate....

-try to plant your plants in the center of the cans in the future. Not that it matters much, and i know you were probably doing some sort of training, but for good measure, always plant to the center of the container, when possible.

hope these tidbits help some, things shouldnt look that bad - get on your pH is the best advice i can give you - fertilizers won't help you until your pH is correct for absorbtion of said nutrients.

be well, take it step by step, and don't overdiagnose.

 

[persianp]

i cant seem to find my ph tester right now...ill go buy one tomorrow. I'll stop with the fertilizing and get you a reading tomorrow. I've tested the soil before, and the ph wasnt off, except in the skunk...argh.
Thanks a lot jack for the quick responses, I really do appreciate it.

Oh yea, the light cycle is not in flower, its still 18/6, they've just been vegging a long time. I want to transplant them, but thats when I want to turn the lights over, once I've tranplanted. But i havent transplanted cuz the plant's are so f'ed up.

 

[Guest]

ouch bad case of necrosis. i can see that a bit of overwatering seems apparent. i read above your RH 66%..thats kinda high. get the humidity down to about 45% and if the crunchi leaves are always towards top of plantsyou might be a bit close with the lights. high heat and humidity can cause the necrosis itself, and mixed with over fert can seal your plants fate. correct everthing above and try to stick with ph balanced water for feed..they should start to recover after a week or so.

 

[persianp]

K, I'll get a dehumidifier tomorrow, and a ph testing thingy. The crunchy leaves are all over.
This is pretty frustrating for me, this is my second grow, and my first one could not have gone any better. I don't know what I'm doing wrong this time, but I'll keep plugging away, hopefully with all your help, and fix the problems before I flower them.

In the long run, how bad will this affect the quality of the buds? Is it worth it to continue?

Also another side note: I had identified some males, I had 8 plants initially, so I put them outside, just to make sure they were male, as the lighting outside was still for flowering. They got to look SO much healthier, and I didn't touch em outside, basically left em for dead. They are long clipped now...but could my room or my light (which I borrowed from a buddy) have something to do with my problems?

 

[Guest]

hey regicide

hey regicide

his rH is fine, 66% in veg is perfectly fine.
crinkly leaves are caused by low rH, when the air is drydrydry, and even then you wont see problems until you get below 20-30%...
i do not see nute. burn.
those plants are starving and the problem is in the root zone/uptake of nutrients due to pH or root compaction, or something....to be honest, i have never seen this first hand so wait for more replies from folks who have had a similiar problem...

i'm tellin ya, organics are hard to dial in even for a small grow like this, this is why ya can't go wrong with a complete chem fert. such as General Hydroponics Flora line or even Schultz salts....Advanced Nutes is also mostly chem and hard to fuck up (the 2 or 3 part cheapo shit).


ps- your using both vermiculite AND castings in your soil mix. if it's just a handful of castings to a container of promix you are fine...if it's a large percentage castings you don't need vermiculite, but i suggest cutting 50/50 with perlite when using a heavy castings ammended soil.

vermiculite is a moisture retainer
perlite is a soil aerator

at times liek this you must be wishing you never added that verm

 

[Guest]

do you have a fan rustling the foliage 24/7?

wanted to add that regicide was right in that 45% is ideal, just he forgot to add that is for flower ya want it a bit higher in veg if possible, again, yer fine now.

try to get that little plant up on a raiser to keep the canopy even.

if the plant isnt recieving enough light, it won't be able to carry on photosynthesis/create chloraphyll (green-up)

 

[persianp]

Yea fans on 24/7

okay, and what kind of tester am i looking for? Like litmus paper?

And I'll raise the plants right now.

Also, when i dissolve the epsoms in the distilled h20, if i let it sit...will it raise or lower the ph of the h20 like ferts do? Can I make a solution tonight and use it in a week or so, or do I need to make it like a day before use?

 

[Guest]

nah bro just take a tablespoon or two of ES, put between 2 pieces of paper and pulverize it that way...2 pieces of plastic would work too.

dissolve it in like a cup of warm water, let it cool to the temp of a midsummer's day rain (not cold,not warm) add that to a gallon of water, and you're on your merry way.


don't let ANY water sit longer than 24hrs without being bubbled..best to do it at lights-on so it's ready for lights-out.

yeah, the litmus test type hehe i promise you this is 100 times more accurate than any 'test-probe' you can buy locally.

ebay has some amazing prices on pH meters...waterproof, digital, and theyve got all sorts of bells and whistles PLUS a warranty of usually 3-5 years...rapid-test is the 20 dollar one from the nursery/hardware store, and does not work.

be well, and don't forget to clone...the clone, once rooted, will be a fresh start providing you keep feeding, pH, and all other variables in check.

 

[Guest]

capt. outta respect ill get outta the way on this one. but before i go i gotta say i would love to see a poll on the ideal RH numbers and the opinions on those top leaf pics

peace,regicide

 

[Guest]

the necro. is defieciency and maybe moisture stress.

 

[Guest]

you know, i never checked pH on epsom salts tho i'd imagine its fairly neutral.

i went through my last grow with no pH tests, and still haven't gotten off my ass to get something.

the disposable test kits are like 4 usd a piece, mayb 6canadian

 

[persianp]

Okay, so I bought a hanna ph tester, not a multi meter. Cost like 50 bones, and I dug into the soils of all four of my plants, about 6 inches down, measured out 10 grams of soil for reach. Then I took a 1/4 cup of r/o water and mixed it up with each sample, to be clear, a 1/4 cup of r/o per 10 gram sample. Then I mixed them up, and after calibrating the meter with ph of 7.01, I took readings. All of my readings were in the 7.0-7.3 range, for all four of them. Then I measured the ph of the H20, and it was at 7, just to make sure.

So there you go, my ph is not wildly off, although it may have been at one point. So do my problems indicate root lock?

 

[MynameStitch]

its a common nitrogen deficiency you have you flushed and flushed and then went all the nutrietns out of the soil

give about 1 tablespoon of earthjuice grow in a gallon of water
and then the next week use 1 tsp of grow per gallon and mix that in with your bloom fert your using

what bloom fert are you using now?

when did you switch over to bloom ferts when you entered flowering?

 

[persianp]

I have yet to switch into flowering, I'm still using 18hr of light. No bloom ferts yet. I have at my disposal, in my house, fish emulsion, liquid seawedd, foxfarm grow, earthjuice grow, maxicrop, and today i bought a chemical fert for orchids called orchid which is at 20-20-20...so i should feed again at next watering even though I fed at last watering? What combo of thse nutrients would work best...I also have been wanting to buy dark energy for a foliar feed during flowering, do you guys recommend it? (i know this is unrelated but wihle I have some veteran ears I though I might ask).

Thanks so much for your prompt replies guys. Also if this helps any the max temp and max humidity thats been reached in my room is 80 deg F, and 81% humidity. The min is 48F and 51 humidity.

Oh yea, and should I still use epsoms in my H2O?

 

[minds_I]

Hello,

I would go withthe fish shit and seaweed if they are still in veg.

minds_I

 

[persianp]

At what ratio and how often, Minds?

 

[persianp]

Also when can I start flowering them...do I need to wait and see if new growth looks healthy...or should i wait like another month or some sort of period of time?