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pseudostelariae
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fed em yesterday...flushing them today...definitely weren't hungry..any other ideas? i think i'm going to add some vinegar to the last gallon of flush water and try to lower the pH just a tad...i mean, the breeder himself is running a pH of 5.9 in soil and mine is near 7. perhaps its a nutrient lockout problem?
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Wth why did you feed them then just flush them? They do not recover overnight you know.. it takes time for them to recover; your in soil..... your mixture is both soil, do NOT lower your ph to 5.5, that is of a soiless mixture; your mixture is not soiless; you will jsut cause More problems to your issue.
if your pH is correct you are at a good pH level where all available nutrients can be absorbed as long as the soil is not water logged.
Now since you flushed them you added more issues; dude seriously man if you wantyour problem solved take my advice; your plants are hungry, tell me this... your plants been in that mixture for 10 weeks now..... you fed them 1 time in 10 weeks; tell me... where are your plants getting there nutrients from if most soil mixtures tell you that after 25 to 30 days the nutrients in the soil are nearly used up; MG says continues feeding for up to 3 months but that is total BS marketing crap.
Is your soil and your breeders soil the same brand and mixture? If not his could be soiless mixture dude; your plants are hungry. Now you caused even more undo hard stress and even flushed what ever nutrients that was left out of the soil...
tell me this... why the hell did you feed them then flush them/!?
Did you read at all just a bit before you started to grow?
Dude, I do not know what else to tell you now; either take the advice and let me know, or tell me and I won't post anymore so I can go help out other people....... your issue is very simple....... they are hungry.
Another thing; vinegar is not going to bring down the soil ph much it's what is inside the soil is the final pH value........
vinegar only controls the water ph not the ph of the soil......
you will have to add stuff to the soil to make the pH lower; but I totally NOT advise you to do this as your problem will get completely out of hand and you can forget about your plant ever recovering if you do that.
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pseudostelariae
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dude i dont know if you are reading my posts, but i clearly said twice now that i fed them with half the recommended strength guano about a week ago. they have been growing ten weeks, almost eleven now, and fed once, at a little under 10 weeks of age. i followed your advice despite that, and woke up to plants looking significantly worse.
I'm no stich, but your plants are certianly suffering from at least a calcium deficiency. How do I know? I have plants that have the same brown spots. I only recently got cal-mag, and I watered one yesterday who showed really bad signs of calcium def...she hasn't gotten worse...too bad it won't heal
I sent pm's to other peeps who know about stuff lik this so I will see what they have to say; but I will say I have been doing this for a long time now.....
guano depending on what kind it is; may not have nitrogen in it; it all depends on the kind; yours is showing a nitrogen issue; I will pM some peeps and get them in here ok? It also depends on the dosage; because if you used half strength... depending on what dose with how much water.... your plants could look worse if you used too much guano; so again that is not on my part but on YOUR part; I told you to feed them with a low dosage and gave you the amount.
How much half strength did you use? 1 tsp? 1 tablespoon? with how much water? Cause if you used too much your plants would look worse which it seems why you may have flushed them out; so again that is not my fault, it's your fault.
fed once a week ago yet again half strength........ again it takes time for them to heal up; they have been without food for a long time before your last feeding........ the one before you feeding them a week ago.
They looked worse before or after you flushed them? Feeding them is not going to make it worse; unless you are giving us the wrong pH value which I think you are giving us the right value.........
Ya, but before you fed them you only fed them once...... and that would of been around 8 weeks old and you had not fed them once; not once untill 9 weeks of age....... so if they were in that mixture for around 60 something days and FFOF reccomend feeding after 25 to 30 days...... they went without nutrients for a long time.
Ask anyone else who has been doing this for a long time and knows about matters like this for a straight answer; I can gurantee they will agree with me on this one.
guano depending on what kind it is; may not have nitrogen in it; it all depends on the kind; yours is showing a nitrogen issue; I will pM some peeps and get them in here ok? It also depends on the dosage; because if you used half strength... depending on what dose with how much water.... your plants could look worse if you used too much guano; so again that is not on my part but on YOUR part; I told you to feed them with a low dosage and gave you the amount.
How much half strength did you use? 1 tsp? 1 tablespoon? with how much water? Cause if you used too much your plants would look worse which it seems why you may have flushed them out; so again that is not my fault, it's your fault.
fed once a week ago yet again half strength........ again it takes time for them to heal up; they have been without food for a long time before your last feeding........ the one before you feeding them a week ago.
They looked worse before or after you flushed them? Feeding them is not going to make it worse; unless you are giving us the wrong pH value which I think you are giving us the right value.........
Ya, but before you fed them you only fed them once...... and that would of been around 8 weeks old and you had not fed them once; not once untill 9 weeks of age....... so if they were in that mixture for around 60 something days and FFOF reccomend feeding after 25 to 30 days...... they went without nutrients for a long time.
Ask anyone else who has been doing this for a long time and knows about matters like this for a straight answer; I can gurantee they will agree with me on this one.
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pseudostelariae
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alright, here is an exact play by play of what happened..i started seeds in a 2 gallon pot, let them grow for about a month in mostly just miracle grow organic, very little nutrients. happy plants (4 weeks old)
after that they were transplanted into a larger container, filling the rest of the space with 50% mg and 50% ffof, let them grow for a couple weeks
very happy (6 weeks old)
sometime during week 9 i transplanted into the final 7 gallon pots, filling it up with ffof and gardeners gold (both significantly more nutrients than mg organic)
during all this time i had to correct a couple problems, it seemed to be magnesium def. which seemed to clear right up with foliar feeding of epsom salt.
i fed them for the first time in their lives at about 9 weeks old.(start of flower) i used 1tbsp of guano with npk 10-10-2 per gallon of water, and the ladies drank about 2liters of that solution. about a week later, this is where minor spotting turned into disgusting brown/yellow death.
after consulting these forums, and by the way everyone was awesome, everything is appreciated wholeheartedly, i fed them with .5tsp of the same guano as before, as well as .5tsp of guano with npk 0.5-12-0.2
i gave them that solution the same way as i administered the first feeding, and upon opening my grow room the following day, the leaves that were almost dead were completely dead, and almost all the fan leaves tips were burnt. i'm thinking they were overfed, and now grossly overfed. hence the flushing.
after reading more on pH(i thought i was growing organic to not worry about these things) i see that apparently there is an important difference between soil and soilless mixes, which i assume is what greenhouse is growing in, seeing as everywhere i look and everyone i ask says a soil pH of 5.5 is completely unheard of.
i appreciate everyones help and thank you for being patient with me, gotta realize i'm a young buck and this is only my second grow. i only started a few months ago to get my pops' some medicine. just trying to spread the love ha
after that they were transplanted into a larger container, filling the rest of the space with 50% mg and 50% ffof, let them grow for a couple weeks
very happy (6 weeks old)
sometime during week 9 i transplanted into the final 7 gallon pots, filling it up with ffof and gardeners gold (both significantly more nutrients than mg organic)
during all this time i had to correct a couple problems, it seemed to be magnesium def. which seemed to clear right up with foliar feeding of epsom salt.
i fed them for the first time in their lives at about 9 weeks old.(start of flower) i used 1tbsp of guano with npk 10-10-2 per gallon of water, and the ladies drank about 2liters of that solution. about a week later, this is where minor spotting turned into disgusting brown/yellow death.
after consulting these forums, and by the way everyone was awesome, everything is appreciated wholeheartedly, i fed them with .5tsp of the same guano as before, as well as .5tsp of guano with npk 0.5-12-0.2
i gave them that solution the same way as i administered the first feeding, and upon opening my grow room the following day, the leaves that were almost dead were completely dead, and almost all the fan leaves tips were burnt. i'm thinking they were overfed, and now grossly overfed. hence the flushing.
after reading more on pH(i thought i was growing organic to not worry about these things) i see that apparently there is an important difference between soil and soilless mixes, which i assume is what greenhouse is growing in, seeing as everywhere i look and everyone i ask says a soil pH of 5.5 is completely unheard of.
i appreciate everyones help and thank you for being patient with me, gotta realize i'm a young buck and this is only my second grow. i only started a few months ago to get my pops' some medicine. just trying to spread the love ha
pseudostelariae
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yea dude it helps me every day. it helped my dad tremendously but it couldnt stave off a rapidly progressing tumor, though he did make it way longer than most do. spin up a joint for him, he grew a field of grass back in the day hahah 
Yes, the reason why they were happy is, because they were small and had plenty of nutrients; smaller plants do not need fed much if any at all.
Were they showing issues before or after you feeding them, so you used 1 tablespoon with 2 liters of water?
With how much water? .5 of a teaspoon is nothing; it's barely anything....... unless you used a small amount of water with it.
So you fed them almost 2 weeks ago right?
so as i understand you mixed for the last potting FFOF and gardners gold.....what is that % mix.?...and you should drop ph accordingly...i'm quite shure it will be between 6.0 - 6.5 when you mix soil and soiless...
but with that being almost in order..we should look elswhere...process of ellimination as is where....
you gave no food exept the guano...?
so this is a hard one for shure.....got me boggled ....Nway i took a look in Jorges book and the pics resemble the leaves that show a pottassium toxication
....here's why...
so i say ...when in doubt flush it out....with that i mean flush plants with a 2/3 strong full feeeding....can't go wrong there..
but with that being almost in order..we should look elswhere...process of ellimination as is where....
you gave no food exept the guano...?
so this is a hard one for shure.....got me boggled ....Nway i took a look in Jorges book and the pics resemble the leaves that show a pottassium toxication
....here's why...
so i say ...when in doubt flush it out....with that i mean flush plants with a 2/3 strong full feeeding....can't go wrong there..
This right here is what confused me; the way you worded it was that you fed them 8 weeks ago; now we are talking about a whole different story dude; the amount you used for your first feeding was crazy and you DID burn them, which you flushed already; when was the last time you fed them and flushed them? Few days ago?
Nutrient issues are either lockout or not enough off lock out meaning causes are from too much or PH is wrong; they are masked by looking like not enough food but can be caused by too much food showing a deficiency when too much of an element is locking it out.
gardners gold is just a mixture of compost and little manure; pH should not change or make the pH any different.
Now to get back on track..... without confusing me...... tell me when the last time you fed them; with HOW MUCH guano and water and when the last time you flushed them .... how far apart from the time you fed them too the time you flushed them?
The more soil mixtures you have in a pot the more troubles you can get into; I would never use more than 2 soil mixtures together.....
Another thing; how tall are these plants? WHY do you have them in a 7 gallon pot?
I had my 6 foot tall sativa in a 5 gallon pot for mid flowering and 10 gallons for the rest of it....
Your plant looks way too small to have a 7 gallon size pot.
Thanks core for coming in here bro
really appreciate it!So far, if everything is correct you are burning them; next time you need to be up front and give information more clearly.. I can only go by what you give me and when you confuse people; you get a confused diagnosis.
Your plants may look hungry; but nutrient lockout does the same thing when you feed too much.
The way you explained it first is you fed them once 8 weeks ago and transplanted them a very long time ago and you put that you had only 2 mixtures in your soil when, you have 3 mixtures in your soil..... that is a big difference.
You also recently transplanted which made a bigger difference; you told us you transplanted once; when you did 2 times..... see what I am saying? You told us bits and pieces and did not provide clear enough answers and you scattered them throughout the thread; when you do this; most people do not want to help, because it's so confusing and time consuming.
Not grilling you or anything, but I hate it when I get confused, because it takes up my time alot and I hate it when I do not get the entire picture.....
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RevolutionX
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how strong epsom salt foliar did you spray? was it completely diluted using warm water first? if it aint mixed right or too stong u can burn plants easy and screw up the ph of the leaves.
pH of the leaves? The leaves do not have a pH....... soil does, mediums do...... now unless you are chopping leaves up for hash or something and then you get a pH value there if you wanna test it.
pseudostelariae
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i apologize for all the confusion.. i have a way of using more words than necessary at times.
alright, i will explain my method of feeding. for the first time i fed, i mixed up a large tablespoon(package recommended 3tbsp) with a gallon of water, and of that gallon of solution i used a little under 2 liters on each plant. this was at the start of flowering. about 3 days after the feeding i noticed the beginning of discoloration, and it slowwly crept up the bottom fan leaves, and i wrote it off as old leaves dying before i asked for help in this thread.
now, two days ago i fed with an even more diluted guano solution with only 1tsp per gallon, and gave them a couple liters of that. i fed in the day, so almost a full 24hrs later they looked significantly worse, i'm assuming because they are over-fed already and i just fed them.
after waking up and seeing my ladies in so much pain, i immediately cranked up the fans(in hopes of drying the soil faster) and began flushing. i did that in increments, flushing, letting them sit, flushing, etc.
the reason they are in such a large pot is frankly because it is the biggest pot wal-mart had to offer..i've always read that transplanting during flowering is a bad idea. i don't think i drowned them in dirt when i transplanted or anything, the roots were right up against the side of the pot when i took my soil samples. my whole idea for this grow is a few large plants, rather than alot of small ones. i figured i could accomplish this by devoting a 600w hps to two plants, and giving them lots of root space. its not very tall simply because it is bred to stay a relatively short sativa.
and about the epsom salt spray..i used a little under .5tsp per quart, dissolved in warm water and sprayed during lights off.
so to recap, i fed them once a little while ago, they slowly reacted badly but i did not flush, and then i fed them again, and 24 hours later flushed because of a verry bad reaction to the food.
today they look much better..yesterday i cut off all the dead places while leaving the healthy parts of leaves so it would be easier to see if it continued progressing today. if it has at all, its verrry minimal, so little i can't really tell.
sorry, i can't say the npk for the other soils, i only remember it being at least double that of the miracle grow, which is why i thought it would be good to mix them in for the flowering pot. after reading the info Core posted it sounds like i gave them too much potassium with the first feeding, which locked out mg and probably other nutrients, so i had to foliar feed to correct that, but it continued to progress in the form of being a phosphorous toxicity?
so now that the pots are good and flushed, should i just go to the hydro store and get a complete food like biobizz bloom or something? guano and seaweed doesn't seem to be able to cover everything. a few people have suggested adding cal-mag+ to my feeding.
i hope i addressed all the questions, thanks everyone for the help! i truly appreciate the patience..i promise tasty bud shots when these ladies start to get heavy haha
alright, i will explain my method of feeding. for the first time i fed, i mixed up a large tablespoon(package recommended 3tbsp) with a gallon of water, and of that gallon of solution i used a little under 2 liters on each plant. this was at the start of flowering. about 3 days after the feeding i noticed the beginning of discoloration, and it slowwly crept up the bottom fan leaves, and i wrote it off as old leaves dying before i asked for help in this thread.
now, two days ago i fed with an even more diluted guano solution with only 1tsp per gallon, and gave them a couple liters of that. i fed in the day, so almost a full 24hrs later they looked significantly worse, i'm assuming because they are over-fed already and i just fed them.
after waking up and seeing my ladies in so much pain, i immediately cranked up the fans(in hopes of drying the soil faster) and began flushing. i did that in increments, flushing, letting them sit, flushing, etc.
the reason they are in such a large pot is frankly because it is the biggest pot wal-mart had to offer..i've always read that transplanting during flowering is a bad idea. i don't think i drowned them in dirt when i transplanted or anything, the roots were right up against the side of the pot when i took my soil samples. my whole idea for this grow is a few large plants, rather than alot of small ones. i figured i could accomplish this by devoting a 600w hps to two plants, and giving them lots of root space. its not very tall simply because it is bred to stay a relatively short sativa.
and about the epsom salt spray..i used a little under .5tsp per quart, dissolved in warm water and sprayed during lights off.
so to recap, i fed them once a little while ago, they slowly reacted badly but i did not flush, and then i fed them again, and 24 hours later flushed because of a verry bad reaction to the food.
today they look much better..yesterday i cut off all the dead places while leaving the healthy parts of leaves so it would be easier to see if it continued progressing today. if it has at all, its verrry minimal, so little i can't really tell.
sorry, i can't say the npk for the other soils, i only remember it being at least double that of the miracle grow, which is why i thought it would be good to mix them in for the flowering pot. after reading the info Core posted it sounds like i gave them too much potassium with the first feeding, which locked out mg and probably other nutrients, so i had to foliar feed to correct that, but it continued to progress in the form of being a phosphorous toxicity?
so now that the pots are good and flushed, should i just go to the hydro store and get a complete food like biobizz bloom or something? guano and seaweed doesn't seem to be able to cover everything. a few people have suggested adding cal-mag+ to my feeding.
i hope i addressed all the questions, thanks everyone for the help! i truly appreciate the patience..i promise tasty bud shots when these ladies start to get heavy haha
