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Stress_test

I'm always here when I'm not someplace else
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I have discussed the issue of smell and probable cause with several attorney's and I have sat through possession trial in court.

Since in America people are presumed innocent until a jury determines otherwise, a cop can't kick your door in and search to see if you have body parts in your freezer; just because he sees a new freezer box on the curb.

There was a high profile case a couple of years ago where a guy was charged for illegal possession of a firearm... The arresting officer had heard gun shots coming from a farm and saw several guys in the field shooting clay-pigeons, so he drove his car into the field and began asking questions about who they all were and who owned the guns.
After making notes of all the guys identification and all the info for the guns, he left. Then a week later during a "routine traffic stop" the cop arrested one of the guys who had a previous felony.

The guy he arrested owned the farm but none of the guns were his according to his friends. The court threw the case out because guns are legal to own and discharge in the area of the farm and there was no reason for the cop to "assume" anything illegal was happening. The prosecutor appealed and lost again.

The mere odor of marijuana doesn't suggest a crime is being committed just because some people use it for illegal purposes either. In Seattle last year 2 guys were arrested for possession of mj because a foot cop saw them sitting in their vehicles in a private parking lot. The cop said he smelled mj and suspected it was a drug deal and approached them but they drove away. Other cops busted them in traffic stops later, finding several ounces of mj and charged them with possession and trafficking. Both were legal mmj patients and were conducting a delivery.
Judge dismissed the cases but the prosecutor appealed.
Higher court agreed that since marijuana is in fact legal according to state laws; the odor does not constitute suspicion of a crime being committed.
 

Aksala

Active member
Blows my mind that this shit is even an issue these days....all the data coming in about cannabis actually being good for you.....

For so long the cannabis community's argument has been how its less harmful than cigs/alcohol...

Now they are finding proof it is literally good for you.
 
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SeaMaiden

I have discussed the issue of smell and probable cause with several attorney's and I have sat through possession trial in court.

Since in America people are presumed innocent until a jury determines otherwise, a cop can't kick your door in and search to see if you have body parts in your freezer; just because he sees a new freezer box on the curb.

There was a high profile case a couple of years ago where a guy was charged for illegal possession of a firearm... The arresting officer had heard gun shots coming from a farm and saw several guys in the field shooting clay-pigeons, so he drove his car into the field and began asking questions about who they all were and who owned the guns.
After making notes of all the guys identification and all the info for the guns, he left. Then a week later during a "routine traffic stop" the cop arrested one of the guys who had a previous felony.

The guy he arrested owned the farm but none of the guns were his according to his friends. The court threw the case out because guns are legal to own and discharge in the area of the farm and there was no reason for the cop to "assume" anything illegal was happening. The prosecutor appealed and lost again.

The mere odor of marijuana doesn't suggest a crime is being committed just because some people use it for illegal purposes either. In Seattle last year 2 guys were arrested for possession of mj because a foot cop saw them sitting in their vehicles in a private parking lot. The cop said he smelled mj and suspected it was a drug deal and approached them but they drove away. Other cops busted them in traffic stops later, finding several ounces of mj and charged them with possession and trafficking. Both were legal mmj patients and were conducting a delivery.
Judge dismissed the cases but the prosecutor appealed.
Higher court agreed that since marijuana is in fact legal according to state laws; the odor does not constitute suspicion of a crime being committed.
The mere odor of marijuana can often place an officer into a position of having probable cause to investigate a possible crime. Now, with your first sentence you demonstrated why I personally don't wish to poke that bear--I've never had to sit through any kind of trial, let alone a possession trial.

Sure, you can go through the whole rigamarole of going through the legal process. And it will cost you, I don't think I need to explain to someone who's sat through a possession trial that it costs. Again, personally for me, I wish to avoid that entire mess. Mostly because I have a lot to lose and not a thing to gain.

We're also currently battling a county-wide emergency ban on ALL outdoor cultivation, which has come about due to SMELL. This year I'm going to be a criminal, and that smell will certainly constitute probable cause. No record for the first 48 years of my life, and now I'll become a criminal.

Either way, it would be awesome if you would cite the case so that I can have it ready for my own attorney. We need to discuss this and if there's case precedent I want to have that information in my arsenal.
 
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el dub

sea maiden: County wide ban?

Would that be Lake? (I'd pictured you and yours as maybe the sea ranch type.)

lw
 
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SeaMaiden

Nope, Sierra Nevada county--Amador. And the number one complaint from (the right) residents that these supervisors want to try to address is smell. In a farming county.
 
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187020

Should I start again?

should you rather be a slave? should you obey unjust laws? should you work on improving your credit score?

i hope there are plants in your home as i write this
 

Yes4Prop215

Active member
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you didnt even mention if you were charged, anything about the bust...

if you had a small 600 watt tent in a bedroom and it was a misdeameanor charge id say you are safe to fire up again...

but if you were running like 10 lights and caught felony charges than you need to reconsider...

i know a few people who are still growing in the spot they were raided but thats because this is oakland california and everyone is growing, depends on your location....


you could always take precautions like say you are a landlord and rent a room to someone...blame the grow on the supposed roomate if you ever get raided and say you never saw the tent or had any idea...my friend does this at the spot he was raided for 20+ lights. he lives in the in-law downstairs and rents out the upstairs grow area to a friend....not an ideal situation but its been working for the 4+ years since his bust..
 

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