Setting the bar high with the first grow - 2x Zamaldelica, 1x Malawi
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Mephorius
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If you veg them in their final pots, you limit the root growth already, since they dont have much root space left if you put them into flowering without new pots
mjlifestyle
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The flip is here!
The flip is here!
Thanks for the encouragement, Tang. I gotta tell you, I can't wait to get to the point of making some cobs outta them. I got hooked on your method from the minute I read it, although I have zero experience in drying & curing, since this is my first time.
Just a small update - today is the final veg day, I'm gonna flip them tonight, with the lights running during the night to manage temps more easily. They've been in vegetative stage for exactly 9 weeks, showed preflowers since one month ago, so I figure that's enough.
I think some more supercropping and LST might be in order down the line, as both Zamaldelicas outgrew my lone Malawi and look like they have more stretch in them. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Here they are @ 9 weeks of veg. Any specific tips and advice about the flowering stage for these 2 strains are more than welcome. Happy growing, y'all!
The flip is here!
Thanks for the encouragement, Tang. I gotta tell you, I can't wait to get to the point of making some cobs outta them. I got hooked on your method from the minute I read it, although I have zero experience in drying & curing, since this is my first time.
Just a small update - today is the final veg day, I'm gonna flip them tonight, with the lights running during the night to manage temps more easily. They've been in vegetative stage for exactly 9 weeks, showed preflowers since one month ago, so I figure that's enough.
I think some more supercropping and LST might be in order down the line, as both Zamaldelicas outgrew my lone Malawi and look like they have more stretch in them. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Here they are @ 9 weeks of veg. Any specific tips and advice about the flowering stage for these 2 strains are more than welcome. Happy growing, y'all!
deepwaterdude
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Hey, mjlifestyle, really nice job. Great mainlining. Before I read the last post and just saw the pics I thought, the only advice I'd have about veg is to flip them ASAP! I started my present grow in a 3 x 3 with 4 flowering plants not nearly as developed as yours and was in "trouble" by 3 weeks flower I think just one of your beasts will fill your tent in 5 weeks, and I gotta say that's the kind of problem I don't mind having, especially at harvest Great job so far.
I think just one of your beasts will fill your tent in 5 weeks, and I gotta say that's the kind of problem I don't mind having, especially at harvest Great job so far.mj,
Check out the defoliation threads! Not everyone agrees, but it works for me!! I only clear out around buds though. I don't get too extreme.
Plants look happy and green !!
Check out the defoliation threads! Not everyone agrees, but it works for me!! I only clear out around buds though. I don't get too extreme.
Plants look happy and green !!
KiefRichards
Active member
This gona be sick!! I say SICK!!
I just planted these same strains, among others, so it is great to get a preview of what to expect, if all goes well. Pulling up a chair for this one.
mjlifestyle
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Thanks for the tips & encouragement guys, much appreciated!
Yep, I figure it'll get pretty crowded in there at some point, but somehow they'll just have to settle Supercropping, LST and defoliation/pruning will be the name of the game. And I'm gonna keep the MH light for 2 more weeks, as I've read it helps to reduce the flowering stretch.
The funny thing is I planned to grow 4 plants, but one Malawi didn't germinate and I just went with 3. Which I now see is way better for my 4x3 tent, because 4 similar plants would've elbowed one another pretty badly. Beginner's luck of some sorts
Thanks JB, already did and, although not very clear in that picture, they've all been defoliated once. But like yourself, I don't get too extreme - I remove any leafs that shade eligible bud sites or leafs that don't get any good light. When I look down on them I don't wanna see any big holes in the canopy, while striving for minimum leaf overlapping. I actually overdid it with Malawi (or I did it wrong is a better way to say it). I removed quite of few young leafs from the tops which stunned her visibly, to the point where I had to prune her good 2 days ago, because a lot of bud sites were just cramping up onto each other, without any good prospects of growing, since the corresponding leafs were KIA. Also, as I've learned from a post by OG Tree Grower (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7503003&postcount=27), top young leafs maintain capillary action and upward growth, which is why my Malawi is now behind the Zamaldelicas by about 5-6 inches. Live and learn... But now it's all nice and tidy, with all bud sites directly exposed to light.
Cheers!
Hey, mjlifestyle, really nice job. Great mainlining. Before I read the last post and just saw the pics I thought, the only advice I'd have about veg is to flip them ASAP! I started my present grow in a 3 x 3 with 4 flowering plants not nearly as developed as yours and was in "trouble" by 3 weeks flower
Yep, I figure it'll get pretty crowded in there at some point, but somehow they'll just have to settle
Supercropping, LST and defoliation/pruning will be the name of the game. And I'm gonna keep the MH light for 2 more weeks, as I've read it helps to reduce the flowering stretch.The funny thing is I planned to grow 4 plants, but one Malawi didn't germinate and I just went with 3. Which I now see is way better for my 4x3 tent, because 4 similar plants would've elbowed one another pretty badly. Beginner's luck of some sorts
Thanks JB, already did and, although not very clear in that picture, they've all been defoliated once. But like yourself, I don't get too extreme - I remove any leafs that shade eligible bud sites or leafs that don't get any good light. When I look down on them I don't wanna see any big holes in the canopy, while striving for minimum leaf overlapping. I actually overdid it with Malawi (or I did it wrong is a better way to say it). I removed quite of few young leafs from the tops which stunned her visibly, to the point where I had to prune her good 2 days ago, because a lot of bud sites were just cramping up onto each other, without any good prospects of growing, since the corresponding leafs were KIA. Also, as I've learned from a post by OG Tree Grower (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7503003&postcount=27), top young leafs maintain capillary action and upward growth, which is why my Malawi is now behind the Zamaldelicas by about 5-6 inches. Live and learn... But now it's all nice and tidy, with all bud sites directly exposed to light.
Cheers!
MadMac
far beyond driven...
high mjlifestyle,
well done so far... respect...
for first time it looks perfect!
9 weeks of veg. is just what this sativa need to really speed up with flowering when switch...
it looks like you have read a lot here so you may' know...
don't feed them too much... look @ ec level and leaf color...
if it goes light green than feed max ec 1.2 better two smaller feedings because they don't like to much @ one time... you will see after 7-10 day's that the leaf's going to normal green...
so after 10 weeks take care... if you feed too much they tend to reflower...
... wish you all the best with your first grow...
you choose my favorite's from ACE... but you miss one... ;-)
go for it...!
M.
well done so far... respect...
for first time it looks perfect!
9 weeks of veg. is just what this sativa need to really speed up with flowering when switch...
it looks like you have read a lot here so you may' know...
don't feed them too much... look @ ec level and leaf color...
if it goes light green than feed max ec 1.2 better two smaller feedings because they don't like to much @ one time... you will see after 7-10 day's that the leaf's going to normal green...
so after 10 weeks take care... if you feed too much they tend to reflower...
... wish you all the best with your first grow...
you choose my favorite's from ACE... but you miss one... ;-)
go for it...!
M.
mjlifestyle
Member
Thank you for the advice on feeding, Mac! That's what I intend to do, as it's easier to correct something I do too little of, as opposed to the other extreme. I don't have/use an EC meter, I only monitor pH, but I do watch them very closely, I get into that tent 10+ times a day (no joke)
And yeah, I know what I'm missing from the package... Your GTs are fucking scary, man It was on my list as well, but I just had to choose 2 outta them 3. It's too bad I won't be attempting another grow until at least one year after I'm done with this one, as I won't have any need for it. I'll see if I can help myself And I really am considering the vertical circular style you're using, your plants have me drooling, I'm not even kidding...
(no joke)And yeah, I know what I'm missing from the package... Your GTs are fucking scary, man
It was on my list as well, but I just had to choose 2 outta them 3. It's too bad I won't be attempting another grow until at least one year after I'm done with this one, as I won't have any need for it. I'll see if I can help myself And I really am considering the vertical circular style you're using, your plants have me drooling, I'm not even kidding...
This looks like pro growing dude!
About growing another one in one year I doubt that, growing is great fun and addictive, so you could eventually change your mind about that
About growing another one in one year I doubt that, growing is great fun and addictive, so you could eventually change your mind about that
mjlifestyle
Member
Hi all,
I think I'm having an issue with my Malawi and since I'm not versed in diagnosing, I thought of asking for other ppl's opinion. Just to be clear, the 2 Zamaldelicas don't seem to be affected at all, it's just the lone Malawi that has the symptoms.
I'm feeding them all once a day with HESI Coco nutes, which has NPK of 3-4-5 and I don't use full dosage (about 3/4 at the moment, after starting at 1/2 ten days ago). Nothing else besides that, except the occasional molasses and silicon shot (1-2 times a week). Temps are between 24 and 28 C (75-82 F) and humidity is between 55% and 65% most of the time.
So here's a couple of shots of one of the top young leafs:
The bad clawing suggests N toxicity, but only the top new leafs are affected. There's no excessive darkening on bottom leafs and no clawing at all. After checking various sources, the other possible option would be Zinc deficiency, which is a bit odd, but the symptoms are there - top young leaves display chlorosis and curl quite badly (check and check), growth tips are kinda bundled together (check), slow upward growth (check, as she's now the smallest of them all, after being ahead in the first month of veg). On top of that, since N is mobile while Z is not, the newer leaves should display the symptoms first, which is the case here.
I'm not sure what could have caused it, especially if it's a Z def. I've fed them @ pH of about 5.7-6 and apparently Z is best absorbed at slightly lower pH in hydro (<5.5), but then again all 3 plants get the same feeding regimen (same pH, same time & frequency, same concentration). Maybe the Zamaldelicas are a bit more resilient in this regard?
I flushed her with about 2x pot size, with pH water and 1/4 nutes dosage and I'll check how the new growth develops.
In the meantime, any opinions are more than welcome, especially since N tox and Z def don't have the same fix (past the initial flush). Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
I think I'm having an issue with my Malawi and since I'm not versed in diagnosing, I thought of asking for other ppl's opinion. Just to be clear, the 2 Zamaldelicas don't seem to be affected at all, it's just the lone Malawi that has the symptoms.
I'm feeding them all once a day with HESI Coco nutes, which has NPK of 3-4-5 and I don't use full dosage (about 3/4 at the moment, after starting at 1/2 ten days ago). Nothing else besides that, except the occasional molasses and silicon shot (1-2 times a week). Temps are between 24 and 28 C (75-82 F) and humidity is between 55% and 65% most of the time.
So here's a couple of shots of one of the top young leafs:
The bad clawing suggests N toxicity, but only the top new leafs are affected. There's no excessive darkening on bottom leafs and no clawing at all. After checking various sources, the other possible option would be Zinc deficiency, which is a bit odd, but the symptoms are there - top young leaves display chlorosis and curl quite badly (check and check), growth tips are kinda bundled together (check), slow upward growth (check, as she's now the smallest of them all, after being ahead in the first month of veg). On top of that, since N is mobile while Z is not, the newer leaves should display the symptoms first, which is the case here.
I'm not sure what could have caused it, especially if it's a Z def. I've fed them @ pH of about 5.7-6 and apparently Z is best absorbed at slightly lower pH in hydro (<5.5), but then again all 3 plants get the same feeding regimen (same pH, same time & frequency, same concentration). Maybe the Zamaldelicas are a bit more resilient in this regard?
I flushed her with about 2x pot size, with pH water and 1/4 nutes dosage and I'll check how the new growth develops.
In the meantime, any opinions are more than welcome, especially since N tox and Z def don't have the same fix (past the initial flush). Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
Hi mjlifestyle,
Sorry for not join earlier, i missed your thread.
Firstly, thanks for choosing our genetics, I feel honoured that you have chosen our sativas for your first indoor grow. Secondly, you have done a great job taming the size of your sativas indoors, even with a long growing stage from seed.
Regarding the Malawi in your last post, the curling in the new leaves suggests an excess of Nitrogen. But i'm not sure about the chlorosis .... did you move this plant to a darker area of the room with less light intensity ? As corky pointed out, i would recommend you to do some cleanings with good plain water with correct ph until the leaf curling is corrected. And try to place this plant in a place with good light intensity to see if the chlorosis finishes. If it doesn't work then the problem is in the feeding.
Please, keep us updated. Best regards!
Sorry for not join earlier, i missed your thread.
Firstly, thanks for choosing our genetics, I feel honoured that you have chosen our sativas for your first indoor grow. Secondly, you have done a great job taming the size of your sativas indoors, even with a long growing stage from seed.
Regarding the Malawi in your last post, the curling in the new leaves suggests an excess of Nitrogen. But i'm not sure about the chlorosis .... did you move this plant to a darker area of the room with less light intensity ? As corky pointed out, i would recommend you to do some cleanings with good plain water with correct ph until the leaf curling is corrected. And try to place this plant in a place with good light intensity to see if the chlorosis finishes. If it doesn't work then the problem is in the feeding.
Please, keep us updated. Best regards!
mjlifestyle
Member
Hey dubi,
Thanks for stopping by! I appreciate the encouragement, it's been a real pleasure to tend after them so far and can't wait to get them to the end.
Thank you for the suggestion, I managed to fix the issue (hopefully) by flushing and dialing back just a bit on feeding. It wasn't a problem with the lights, as they all stay in the same tent and had no power cuts or anything like that.
Anyways, here they are in solo shots, 3 weeks from flip. I know the pictures are shit, but it's the best I can do with my phone and the available light. The Malawi is in the first 2 pics, followed by Z#2 and Z#1, also with 2 pics each.
As you can see, the Malawi is way smaller than the Zamaldelicas (especially Z#1). Like I said previously, that's due to a bad defoliating session (my first), when I removed top small leaves and the plant just shut off for a long time, before finally recovering. And because of the stun period, the number of secondary stems is much smaller compared to her sisters. Live and learn. Otherwise they're all about the same height, 3.5 feet above the pot rim at the highest point, after I supercropped them as needed (3-4 times on some naughty stems).
Also, about 3 days ago I defoliated them all (but mostly the Zamaldelicas), removing quite a lot of middle leafs that covered bud sites. I don't think I fucked it up like my first time, even if they're in flower now, cause I didn't touch the new leafs and there's also a lot of green and leaf potential left.
Thanks for stopping by! I appreciate the encouragement, it's been a real pleasure to tend after them so far and can't wait to get them to the end.
Thank you for the suggestion, I managed to fix the issue (hopefully) by flushing and dialing back just a bit on feeding. It wasn't a problem with the lights, as they all stay in the same tent and had no power cuts or anything like that.
Anyways, here they are in solo shots, 3 weeks from flip. I know the pictures are shit, but it's the best I can do with my phone and the available light. The Malawi is in the first 2 pics, followed by Z#2 and Z#1, also with 2 pics each.
As you can see, the Malawi is way smaller than the Zamaldelicas (especially Z#1). Like I said previously, that's due to a bad defoliating session (my first), when I removed top small leaves and the plant just shut off for a long time, before finally recovering. And because of the stun period, the number of secondary stems is much smaller compared to her sisters. Live and learn. Otherwise they're all about the same height, 3.5 feet above the pot rim at the highest point, after I supercropped them as needed (3-4 times on some naughty stems).
Also, about 3 days ago I defoliated them all (but mostly the Zamaldelicas), removing quite a lot of middle leafs that covered bud sites. I don't think I fucked it up like my first time, even if they're in flower now, cause I didn't touch the new leafs and there's also a lot of green and leaf potential left.
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Baron Greenback
Are you being completely honest when you say this is your first indoor grow? You've got them going so well, really nice looking plants. I'd say you're going to be reaping some fantastic flowers in the not too distant future.
Looking forward to more updates.
You've got them going so well, really nice looking plants. I'd say you're going to be reaping some fantastic flowers in the not too distant future. Looking forward to more updates.
mjlifestyle
Member
Scout's honor, BG As I said in my first post in this journal, this is a retry of my very first attempt that I had back in October. I started a grow journal then also, in the Grow Diaries section (I remember you stopping by there), but I had to kill them after just 2 weeks because I moved to a different city and keeping them was not an option. So I do have one experience (lol) with seedlings popping up, but that's just about it.
It just goes to show that even complete beginners can grow decent plants with enough preparation, dedication AND robust genetics. However, I still have to wait until mid September or so to call it a win. Fingers crossed!
Cheers!
As I said in my first post in this journal, this is a retry of my very first attempt that I had back in October. I started a grow journal then also, in the Grow Diaries section (I remember you stopping by there), but I had to kill them after just 2 weeks because I moved to a different city and keeping them was not an option. So I do have one experience (lol) with seedlings popping up, but that's just about it.It just goes to show that even complete beginners can grow decent plants with enough preparation, dedication AND robust genetics. However, I still have to wait until mid September or so to call it a win. Fingers crossed!
Cheers!
B
Baron Greenback
Well, you certainly haven't picked the usual, quick finishing indica to start with, that's for sure. The best thing about the choice of full on sativas for this is that everything else afterwards will seem a breeze
The only problem is, after you've enjoyed the fruits of your labours, everything else will be a bit of a letdown
The only problem is, after you've enjoyed the fruits of your labours, everything else will be a bit of a letdown
CoCoSativas
Active member
Are you being completely honest when you say this is your first indoor grow?
Looking forward to more updates.
My first grow went really well. Other than less than a Oz per plant the dope was killer...
