Separating the reds from the greens

[OldCoolSativa]

Two years ago I made a bunch of seeds from a plant grown outdoors in New England. The mother was a clone I got from @flower.power, one of four I selected after seeing them in flower. The seeds were provided by @MAHA KALA and are Nevil's haze x Tom Hill Haze (Nh x THh). I grew the clone indoors twice and it was excellent weed; highly resinous and sticky, potent, long lasting, and flowered faster than I had expected. The father(s) were four punto rojo males selected from 38 plants.

From my experience, and based on what a lot of knowledgeable people here have posted, the green phenos are preferable to the red ones. This applies to the punto rojos and to the Nh x THh. Tom Hill has repeatedly told us what to look for in his seeds to find the most Thai-stick-like killer weed, including the green phenos. Last year I grew one of these (NhxTHh) x PR plants and it was extraordinary with fenotrigo structure and a long-lived effect that improved significantly as it cured. This was a green pheno. Here she is...

So, operating on the theory that the best plants are to be found in the green phenos, I decided to plant enough seeds for me to select 12 or so green phenos. This selection happened in 1" pots a week or two after germination, and it's easy to do: just separate the ones without any red in the stems (or only a tiny bit of red) and cull the rest. I got 67 seeds to germinate, managed to lose a few transplanting from my germinarion machine into 1" pots, but here's what I ended up with. I currently have 15 green phenos and 48 red ones.

I'll up-pot them today into 3.5-gallon grow bags with living organic soil, veg for a few weeks, and flower them. Let's see what happens.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Thanks for sharing your grow. Will be having a seat.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Two years ago I made a bunch of seeds from a plant grown outdoors in New England. The mother was a clone I got from @flower.power, one of four I selected after seeing them in flower. The seeds were provided by @MAHA KALA and are Nevil's haze x Tom Hill Haze (Nh x THh). I grew the clone indoors twice and it was excellent weed; highly resinous and sticky, potent, long lasting, and flowered faster than I had expected. The father(s) were four punto rojo males selected from 38 plants.

From my experience, and based on what a lot of knowledgeable people here have posted, the green phenos are preferable to the red ones. This applies to the punto rojos and to the Nh x THh. Tom Hill has repeatedly told us what to look for in his seeds to find the most Thai-stick-like killer weed, including the green phenos. Last year I grew one of these (NhxTHh) x PR plants and it was extraordinary with fenotrigo structure and a long-lived effect that improved significantly as it cured. This was a green pheno. Here she is...

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So, operating on the theory that the best plants are to be found in the green phenos, I decided to plant enough seeds for me to select 12 or so green phenos. This selection happened in 1" pots a week or two after germination, and it's easy to do: just separate the ones without any red in the stems (or only a tiny bit of red) and cull the rest. I got 67 seeds to germinate, managed to lose a few transplanting from my germinarion machine into 1" pots, but here's what I ended up with. I currently have 15 green phenos and 48 red ones.

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I'll up-pot them today into 3.5-gallon grow bags with living organic soil, veg for a few weeks, and flower them. Let's see what happens.

nice foxtails

nevilles haze, bohempian cut x positronics haze

 

[clockwork]

Last year I grew one of these (NhxTHh) x PR plants and it was extraordinary with fenotrigo structure and a long-lived effect that improved significantly as it cured. This was a green pheno. Here she is...

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You got me with the floral structure on the first plant Im here to see how this turns out

 

[mack 10]

That's some crazy foxtails..
Love it. Now resin too.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

One month from seed and the 12 selected green phenos are all doing well in LOS in 3.5-gal fabric pots under 16 hours of home-made LED 3700K COBs running at 320W. Not much in the aroma department yet. I'll update when I flip them to 12/12. I gave two other seedlings to a friend who will grow them outside at 42N; hope to get some pics of those as well.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

I switched to a 12-hour light cycle 12 days ago and kept all 12 under my 320W 3700K LED. Then yesterday I fired up another 320W of light yesterday and spread them out in the 8-ft tent. Labeled the plants 1-12 from shortest to tallest, and took cuts from the first or second node. Very faint aromas in half the plants, while the other half have citric, sour and metallic smells coming through in a few in addition to the typical sweet sativa aroma from the punto rojo side. The most interesting plant so far is the tallest, #12, with a pronounced metallic and sour note and big internode spacing.

#1 -#6

#7 - #12

24 clones under 18-hour light cycle

 

[CharlesU Farley]

One month from seed and the 12 selected green phenos are all doing well in LOS in 3.5-gal fabric pots under 16 hours of home-made LED 3700K COBs running at 320W. Not much in the aroma department yet. I'll update when I flip them to 12/12. I gave two other seedlings to a friend who will grow them outside at 42N; hope to get some pics of those as well.

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Awesome heat sinks on the lights and I love it when people use fabric soil containers.

If @flower.power was involved in the genetics, that should be some damn fine cannabis.

 

[Wolverine97]

Right up my alley. Pulling up a chair.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

3 Weeks

The plants showed sex earlier than I expected; all but two had revealed their sex after only two weeks of 12/12. I now have five males (#3, #5, #6, # 8 and #9) and 7 females (#1, #2, #4, #7, #10, #11 and #12). The females #4 and #10 were the last to show sex, so we'll see if they are also the longest flowering.

Aromas are developing and seem to change every time I check. There are no standouts yet in terms of trichome production or density. One of the males (#5) has whorled phyllotaxy (3 branches per node instead of 2); this plant also has the fattest leaves.

Four of these plants are now showing some red, either as a red stripe on the meristem or as reddish-brown petioles. The remaining "pure green" phenos are #2, #3, #5, #7, #8, #10, #11 and #12. If I were to run this project again I'd be more stringent as to what passes for pure green at the seedling stage and probably run closer to 100 seeds, keeping only the pure green phenos having the largest internode spacing.

The clones are doing fine but have yet to show roots after 12 days of 18/6 light cycle.

I've moved the five males into their own tent and will let them do their thing before I decide which ones get culled. I'll primarily select males based on trichome density (which should be more apparent in a few weeks), pure-green color, and to a lesser extent on metallic, leather, sour fruit or earthy aromas.

Male #3

Male #5

Male #6

Male #8

Male #9

Five males in their own tent

Females #1, #2 and #4

Females #7, #10, #11 and #12

 

[Wolverine97]

I notice distinct branch angle differences between the males and females.

 

[mr.brunch]

 

[JetLife175]

Well that escalated quickly.

 

[Charlietop]

Green phenos usually pack the punch you’re after, so focusing on those makes total sense.

 

[SativaScience]

Awesome project and beautiful plants. Good luck in your search.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

4 Weeks

The plants are still stretching, although the stretch may be slowing a bit at four weeks. Plant #1 looks to be the fastest while #11 looks like it will be last to finish.

The males are stacking flowers and starting to drop pollen. Male #8 is the greenest while #6 leads in the resin department, although there's not much resin on the males yet.

#1

#2

#4

#7

#10

#11

#12

The Boys

Male #6

Male #8

 

[OldCoolSativa]

I think the #12 female is showing early signs of fenotrigo bud structure, as the buds already have that sheaf-of-wheat look. I'm not having much luck with the clones; only two of 24 have shown roots and several of them are on their last legs.

I looked at the male plants with a hand lens this morning. I'm not seeing much resin other than the typical belts of a few trichomes that run the length of the flower. The only slight exception is #6, which seems to have more resin than the rest, but still not much. I've never found a Colombian male that makes much resin, although I have seen flower-stems with good trich coverage on a Thai-looking haze hybrid male.

I took photos of the staminate flower bud morphology of all five males, and was wondering if the more experienced folks here might have any ideas on how male flower morphology is passed on to it's female progeny. Do any of these plants suggest their female progeny will have a fenotrigo bud structure? Does thicker flower density translate to larger colas on the female offspring? I've pretty much decided to keep and make seeds with #6 (resin) and #8 (greenest), and cull the others.

#3

#5 (whirled phyllotaxy)

#6

#8

#9

 

[Raco]

4 Weeks

The plants are still stretching, although the stretch may be slowing a bit at four weeks. Plant #1 looks to be the fastest while #11 looks like it will be last to finish.

The males are stacking flowers and starting to drop pollen. Male #8 is the greenest while #6 leads in the resin department, although there's not much resin on the males yet.

#1
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#2
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#4
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#7
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#10
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#11
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#12
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The Boys
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Male #6
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Male #8
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Lookin' good!!
Old Colombian from the Sierra Nevada

 

[Pan Serduszko]

#9 why did you reject it?

 

[OldCoolSativa]

#9 had some red stripes/petioles.