Selfing

[stellis0358]

Forgive folks for asking a question that has probably been asked and answered already. This question is simple - if you reverse a female do have to keep her segregated from your other females to avoid accidental pollination? I'm thinking yes but need some definitive clarification please. Thanks in advance.

 

[ChemDogLover]

Yes

 

[stellis0358]

Thanks as always!

 

[ChemDogLover]

Thanks as always!

You’re welcome

 

[Bro.]

Hi,

If you can't separate it from the pack, you can also take refuge in Cross Pollination Barrier Bags, like a male condom, which will allow the male organs to continue ripening while protecting other plants from pollen trapped in the bag.

Once the male flowers are sufficiently ripe, cut off the branch and place it in a glass of water in a separate room to give the last stamens time to open, then collect and store the pollen, or use it directl y.

 

[stellis0358]

I was able to reverse my female - it's covered in male pollen sacs. But I'm not seeing any pollen anywhere. I even plucked a few pods from the plant but saw no pollen inside. Any ideas?

 

[Shmavis]

I was able to reverse my female - it's covered in male pollen sacs. But I'm not seeing any pollen anywhere. I even plucked a few pods from the plant but saw no pollen inside. Any ideas?

I have only selfed a few plants, so I’m far from experienced in doing so…

One plant—either AS #1 or S.A.G.E. (I’m having a lapse of memory at the moment)—reacted like you’re describing. It had multiple pollen sacs and everything looked good but they weren’t opening. No pollen flying. I also opened some to find them empty. Had it not been for @zif suggesting I grind them up I would’ve trashed the plant and chalked it up as a loss.

I took a handful and ground them together over the mother cut just allowing them to fall onto the flowers. I visibly saw pollen, but it looked clumpy, and there wasn’t much of it. I did not have high hopes. But it actually worked. I did not get as many seeds as I would’ve liked; but way more than the zero I would’ve got had I not tried.

Good luck!

 

[Ringodoggie]

It might just be early. One of the times I selfed the early sacs seemed to have nothing but the sacs that developed later on had plenty of pollen.

 

[stellis0358]

Well that was an interesting experiment. Had 6 Purple Afghan Kush females and tried to reverse 2 of them to create more seeds. 1 of them crashed hard, withered up and died. The other reversed successfully. I had a boat load of pollen sacs, but not a single one produced a grain of pollen that I could see. I'm not really sure what happened here. Any thoughts anyone as to why this plant didn't produce any pollen even though the plant was loaded with pollen sacs?

 

[dogzter]

Selfing is a lazy attempt at a shortcut that never seems to pan out as advertised.

 

[stellis0358]

OK, well I don't want to be making any "lazy attempt at a shortcut", lol. If you only have 6 feminized seeds how else are you supposed to create more seeds? This is the process for making feminized seeds isn't it - reversing?

 

[MrHamilton]

Yes, and there’s nothing wrong with selfing your girls, especially if that’s what you have to work with.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Selfing is a lazy attempt at a shortcut that never seems to pan out as advertised.

Why 'lazy'?
what shortcut?
What is 'advertised'

Selfing is just the name for a breeding technique.

 

[PetePrice]

Selfing is a lazy attempt at a shortcut that never seems to pan out as advertised.

Perhaps that is more on the user than the method. Selfing is one time were time a punnett square is very useful to the cannabis breeder.

 

[PetePrice]

OK, well I don't want to be making any "lazy attempt at a shortcut", lol. If you only have 6 feminized seeds how else are you supposed to create more seeds? This is the process for making feminized seeds isn't it - reversing?

But its only selfing if you actually self each plant, reversing and pollinating different plants is not selfing.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Well that was an interesting experiment. Had 6 Purple Afghan Kush females and tried to reverse 2 of them to create more seeds. 1 of them crashed hard, withered up and died. The other reversed successfully. I had a boat load of pollen sacs, but not a single one produced a grain of pollen that I could see. I'm not really sure what happened here. Any thoughts anyone as to why this plant didn't produce any pollen even though the plant was loaded with pollen sacs?

This does happen, and sometimes if you dry the sacs and then grind them up (i force them through a fine metal sieve) and then use any powder to dust your plants, you will get some pollination.
Theoretically all female plants should reverse and produce pollen but some are very reluctant (this is a good thing selection wise) you could try again with a different strength of silver solution or spraying regime.
You seldom get clouds of pollen like you do with a regular male plant.
VG

 

[dogzter]

Show me the spectacular advancement in consistent product from seed such as a cherry tomato if it is successful.

 

[Ca++]

Show me the spectacular advancement in consistent product from seed such as a cherry tomato if it is successful.

Selfing isn't meant to bring about advancement. It's a method of preserving what you have. If you get a spectacular difference, you probably did it wrong.

 

[dogzter]

Selfing isn't meant to bring about advancement. It's a method of preserving what you have. If you get a spectacular difference, you probably did it wrong.

Show me the selfed plant that matches the original then.
I have been doing the make seeds thing since the 80's and have yet to see any of the results.

 

[OleReynard]

It's tough finding that "original" in s1's.
You get everything behind that gal the good the bad and the ugly.
Just ran a slug of s1 BK from a very reputable breeder none were even close to each other.