Selfing Autoflowerers

[Guest]

That's good info hoosierdaddy. Keep us posted on any efforts you make and we'll all compare notes.

Wonder what ppm level is optimal? I know that the silver needs to be as pure as possible. 98% or so. Silver coins are lower than that and wont work so I figured jewelry is the key?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Haven't done it yet, but I plan on checking out fleabay for the silver wire, as was mentioned. Although I don't trust that place much.

I think I have read that a concentration of ~700ppm is about optimal. (shrug)

 

[Deft]

What does STS stand for?

 

[Guest]

Its a big long chemical name Deft. You can go over in Breeding and search and find it easily. If these other methods fail, I'll likely know a lot more about sts.

 

[guest3589]

I made some CS with an 30V dc addapter and sprayed three AF females for three or four days each. They all have curled leaves and a silver hue to them where the silver has soaked into the tissue. I hope my timing was right.

I hear they show male flowers in about two weeks after the CS treatment so I should know in a bout ten days or so. The PPM of my solution is not in question because me electrodes were so massively eroded, lol.

 

[antimatter]

I made some CS with an 30V dc addapter and sprayed three AF females for three or four days each. They all have curled leaves and a silver hue to them where the silver has soaked into the tissue. I hope my timing was right.

I hear they show male flowers in about two weeks after the CS treatment so I should know in a bout ten days or so. The PPM of my solution is not in question because me electrodes were so massively eroded, lol.

Should work out good, I only was spraying 1 and it worked out but I think 3 will make sure everything is really well pollinated.

 

[guest3589]

cool, thanks for the info antimatter, how long did it take for the nanners to show for you?

 

[antimatter]

Week or two she was all coated in silver and leaves were burning from it, I ran the plants 2 extra weeks to finish seeds, could of went longer on some but there were plenty, just make sure to do alot of plants for getting seed, I am not gonna be using the seed from the sprayed plant just to keep the inbreeding down on my stock.

I just popped a bunch of these fems I made in soil, im hoping they pop up, I did the paper towel thing for 4 days but they were stubborn so i figured id just throw em in the soil since some of them sprouted, im crossing my fingers that there not to fresh for growing in the sense of not drying out at all we'll see...

 

[guest3589]

Well that sounds great, all thats left now is the waiting, I will find out soon.

 

[rockbud]

Thanks silverback for doing this thread. It's timely. Tonight I just sprayed my female LL auto-AK with 100ppm Gibberellic acid. It was easy and I just followed the dirrections in the package that I got off ebay for $7. It's commonly used in aggriculture. I was advised that this was easier and effective than the collidal silver method, but we'll see.
The female just showed preflowers a few days ago. I plan to pollenate the other female auto-ak as well as make several F1 crosses of my KC brain's outdoor strains (TNR and KC33). Hopefully the end result will be early giants around late August! And all female!!

 

[Guest]

Keep us posted rockbud.

 

[querkle]

nice thread ive been wanting to do some a/f lately too

 

[Guest]

Dutch passion and a couple of other companies have done it and the seeds are available. Alls that is left is to breed it so it has sensi star level potency and we can all retire.

 

[antimatter]

Wonder when someone is gonna genetically modify weed, we need some shit that we can grow on mars, now that would be a project!

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

As afar as the fem pollen, Ive been told that pollinating a plant with its own genes is inbreeding, and the best way to get stable feminized seeds is to use the pollen from a flipped female on another plant/strain so as to keep away fron crossing the same genes. I understand that alot of the problems with herms and fem beans comes from inbreeding.

yes, inbreeding, and not selfing. selfing actually means that you reproduce a hybrid or polyhybrid, and breed them using females and males of the very same hybrid or polyhybrid. for example, you have cali-o-bud f1 females and cross them to cali-o-bud f1 males, you are selfing, and you get cali-o-bud f2.

however, if one uses a female forced to grow nanners and use that pollen to breed other females of the same kind, that is inbreeding. in-breed, to breed within the limits of a specific gene-pool.

to try to stabilize a pheno you really like, you have better chances and better quality results by first selecting several ladies of the pheno you want, and then select several males that drop pollen early or late depending on what you want to get, then out of the off-spring, you select the females and males (edit: you start selfing) that match the best the pheno you want, and after enough selective breeding and luck, one should get that pheno stabilized.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Using forced pollen on a sister plant (not cloned) wouldn't be any more inbreeding than selfing with F1's, would it? Wouldn't the "inbreeding" you describe be only if the pollen is used on the donor plant?
If so, please explain.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

yes hoosier, you are right, I meant to say if one uses the same plant or cuts of it to receive the pollen from a female forced to grow nanners... however, there is still less genetic material when using forced pollen from what was a female originally to breed with females that came from feminized seeds.
peace

 

[Guest]

Dinafem and Dutch passion are both offering femmed auto's in thier new lineup. I knew it was comming.

They have the flowering down, now if they can give them sensi star or jack herrer potency we will all live in dreamland.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

... however, there is still less genetic material when using forced pollen from what was a female originally to breed with females that came from feminized seeds.
peace

Yes, the missing X chromosome is what has many of us wondering. Although no detrimental effects have been shown yet. At least nothing documented.

 

[Guest]

Ill bet you wouldnt wonder for long hoosierdaddy, if one were to start a breeding program with them. Its not nice to mess with mother nature, and i believe that things could go woefully awry in future generations. Nature requires balance and there is an equal and opposite reaction to every change. At some point, there would be an accounting.

Althoug one batch of seeds from a femmed plant is just damn fine from my experience. No problems ive seen.