Selfed male seed .....

[Charles Xavier]

Greetings foomar

I commend your scientific spirit.

That being said....Why do we stretch for the arcane, when the obvious presents itself so readily?

If you got seeds...then the plant aint 'male'.

Sincerely,
Charles.

p.s. I'm actually surprised and admittedly disappointed, that it took three (3) pages of responses on the "best online Cannabis resource" before someone posted the above.

C.X.

 

[foomar]

Hi Charles , main reason for posting was the totally conflicting and definate assertions i recieved outside this thread as to the results.
I honestly expected femmed and was wrong , and not the only one.

The degree of variation appears the same as from most other crosses , the male took some serious stress to turn and has fathered some good stable crosses locally but i would not now use it myself .

Female clones get the same harsh environmental stresses and i do not breed with them if they can be forced to drop pollen , seen no hermies so far and this could be one reason along with luck.

Three males fom eight tested cannot be turned , only five from over thirty females tested cannot be forced to produce pollen.

 

[Charles Xavier]

Greetings foomar

You get 'femmed' from a 'forced hermie'...

With a 'natural (genetic) hermie' you get 'natural (genetic) hermies' that can potentially express the spectrum of that definition i.e. 'females' that look like 'females', 'females' that look like 'hermies', and 'females' that look like 'males'.

If outcrossing...it depends on what you're crossing to. It's quite possible to get 'hermie' free offspring from a 'hermie' X normal pairing. Not all 'hermies' are caused by the same interaction and intersection of genes.

Sincerely,
Charles.

p.s. and you can't tell how stable something is until you've outcrossed it to other known stable specimens....and nobody's really doing that on the street level.

C.X.

 

[coxswain]

If you got seeds...then the plant aint 'male'.

Sincerely,
Charles.

Hello Charles!
I'm a bit puzzled by all this. I had five perfectly healthy males growing in pots on a balcony. When I took their cuts and put them inside immediately on 12/12 they got a bit of stress. This eventually ended with seed production as seen in my pictures above.

Are you saying my five males weren't males in the first place?

Cheers!

 

[nvthis]

Hey Foomar, how are you going to determine the end game here bro? Are you going to flip these normally and see what they do? Or are you going to stress them right away?

It's unfortunate you have so few to work with. You said 5 out of 30 fems remained hermi free. To bad we didn't have 30 of these to play with Now that would have rocked. Even if these both go hermi it still kinda leaves the door open, ya know?

 

[kopite]

p.s. I'm actually surprised and admittedly disappointed, that it took three (3) pages of responses on the "best online Cannabis resource" before someone posted the above.

I think URUK tried to express this on post 7 but he is banned so what does he know.

That is really interesting! I wonder what results those seeds will bring.

Some plants with intersexed traits I'd guess at and probably a high herm and female ratio in the progeny.

With a 'natural (genetic) hermie' you get 'natural (genetic) hermies' that can potentially express the spectrum of that definition i.e. 'females' that look like 'females', 'females' that look like 'hermies', and 'females' that look like 'males'.

 

[Charles Xavier]

Greetings coxswain

I'm a bit puzzled by all this. I had five perfectly healthy males growing in pots on a balcony. When I took their cuts and put them inside immediately on 12/12 they got a bit of stress. This eventually ended with seed production as seen in my pictures above.
...coxswain

I know it can be puzzling...here's the thing to keep in mind: there are no naturally occurring stressors that will cause pistillate ('female') flowering on a staminate ('male') plant; so if you get 'female' flowers without chemicals, then you are dealing with a 'hermie'.

Are you saying my five males weren't males in the first place?...coxswain

Yes....the specimen displayed in the photograph is clearly intersex in expression.

Sincerely,
Charles.

p.s. what up, kopite? (I see where you're coming from)

C.X.

 

[coxswain]

Greetings coxswain

I know it can be puzzling...here's the thing to keep in mind: there are no naturally occurring stressors that will cause pistillate ('female') flowering on a staminate ('male') plant.

So if you get 'female' flowers without chemicals, then you are dealing with a 'hermie'.



Yes....the specimen displayed in the photograph is clearly intersex in expression.

Sincerely,
Charles.

p.s. what up, kopite? (I see where you're coming from)

C.X.

Thank for clearing things up Charles.
I was under impression that no matter how sure you are of a plant sex it can always be stressed to the point of showing intersex traits. Be that male or female.

Is there a def. research proving true sex plants can't hermie?

 

[Charles Xavier]

Greetings coxswain

You're welcome.

I was under impression that no matter how sure you are of a plant sex it can always be stressed to the point of showing intersex traits. Be that male or female.....coxswain

That's the correct impression to be under...keeping in mind that a 'true male' to 'female' change does not occur naturally; chemically induced hormone suppression and production is required.

Sincerely,
Charles.

 

[Flying Goat]

Very interesting thread, Coxswain! I'd be very interested if you should make more of this seed.

Many don't realize the power of the male when selecting traits for breeding. Whether goats or cannabis, the perfect male is the most valuable of all. Interested in whether one might produce all-male seeds?

 

[Gunnarguchi]

tnx a lot for sharing this with us

very surpricing results

i would have guessed the seeds to be all males based on females keep to their own sex when stressed to make seeds, then i would think males would do the same

 

[kopite]

tnx a lot for sharing this with us

very surpricing results

i would have guessed the seeds to be all males based on females keep to their own sex when stressed to make seeds, then i would think males would do the same

Have you actually read the thread? how many times does someone need to say its an "intersexed" plant? the plant is clearly not a "true" male

For All male plants clearly the plant would need to be just that all male in the 1st place ie YY.. as if XY you would get XY x XY = XX and YY are each 25% of the total, XY is 50% Approx.

 

[DocLeaf]

Cool stuff

We once saw a Kenyan male produce x2 seeds at the top,, many moons back

 

[foomar]

Not been treated well due to lack of space and still in tiny pots , have not hermied so far but look like they might yet turn a bit.

One has a sweet peppery smell and the other smells like a blocked urinal , neither trait is present in the male or has been noted in several crosses.

The male parent has been very consistant at adding lateral stretch and a specific flavour type which is not expressed here and unexpected .

 

[Mr. Stinky]

why wouldnt you have expected both male and female? pollen from a male has either an x or a y chrom, so when self pollinated, it should produce 50/50 seed. i also wonder if a male thats prone to female flowers isnt a better choice for breeding than a normal male. its not the same process as a female turned male. a male with an abundance of female hormone should be a good thing in a cross since female hormone is what we are after. just my .02

 

[kopite]

i also wonder if a male thats prone to female flowers isnt a better choice for breeding than a normal male. its not the same process as a female turned male. a male with an abundance of female hormone should be a good thing in a cross since female hormone is what we are after. just my .02

If that is the case would you not just breed with females? thus reducing the intersex trait aspects?

 

[Mr. Stinky]

heres my thread on that subject. i got a little heated in the first couple pages, but it settled down after that, and we had a pretty good conversation. there is just mountains of made up bullshit on here that is repeated over and over a thousand times, and posters without any knowledge of the subject repeat it thinking they know something. this subject (feminized seed) is def the worst on the forums in that respect. 99% of the replies you get are just made-up stoner theories that dont have any basis in botany

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137129

 

[foomar]

why wouldnt you have expected both male and female?

My knowledge of plant genetics is somewhat dated , struggle to get my head around some modern concepts and tend to go with what i can see and hold , given the amount of bullshit in some threads it has proven a good idea previously in debunking some curious ideas.

This male was hard to turn and has been used locally with no hermie traits apparent in the offspring over several years , when seed formed i thought it worth posting for the interest given some of the assurances that they would be all male or all female from well respected members outside this thread.

Feel a bit stupid for posting now , looks obvious in hindsight but at least the proof is here to save others a similar embarassment.

Quite interesting is the poor quality of the females , all would have been culled early in flower and the males were nothing special.

When this male is crossed to NL and C99x the plants are stunning and stable yet the selfed male is poor , not much use in assesing a males value.

 

[Mr. Stinky]

didnt mean to sound be-littling at all man. thanks for what your doing.

possibly, that male has alot of recessive traits, that dont transfer to the girls, and so all those good traits of the girls are expressed? maybe thats what would make a truely ideal male...one that passes on nothing but green colored leaveshaha maybe? that would explain the lack of good traits in the s1's

 

[kopite]

heres my thread on that subject. i got a little heated in the first couple pages, but it settled down after that, and we had a pretty good conversation. there is just mountains of made up bullshit on here that is repeated over and over a thousand times, and posters without any knowledge of the subject repeat it thinking they know something. this subject (feminized seed) is def the worst on the forums in that respect. 99% of the replies you get are just made-up stoner theories that dont have any basis in botany

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137129

ah yes the thread where Mrwhiskeytango breeder extraordinaire turned magician to make posts disappear