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insomniac_AU

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MAHA KALA said:
comparison to cars is out of reality. cannabis is not human product, was not created by man. was only domesticated. you should compare it to sheep or cow, corn etc.. so what is new model of sheep? in fact new models of cannabis are recombination of old ones. the question is if something new popped there in recombination? from my experience.. nothing new. glue is for example just variation of chemdog hybrid. nothing else. cookies are just ogk hybrid, better than ogk? no way.. if there is really something new, its totally out of interest of the most.
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Exactly.
Cannabis isn't like a car or a TV at all. As mentioned it's much more like beef. Japanese Wagyu beef is revered for it's quality. Everything possible is done to ensure the bloodlines are kept pure. I'm sure people have crossed them with many other species of cow but at the end of the day the original is best.
 
JohnnyChicago

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He's like all the young guys, who ask me why and how I do net get tired and still full of energy when I smoke my pure joint after a long party night at 6' in the morning.


They don't understand and probably will quit smoking before they will be able to...
 
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Comparing cannabis to cars must have been one of the stupidest things I ever read.

Many old strains are just as strong as todays strains. And a higher thc level does not mean stronger effects.

A few years ago I had a greenhouse harvest tested and the amnesia moppel cut contained 21% THC. The white jones from Connoiseur genetics only contained 12% thc. But the white jones was much much stronger, it was a real dayender. The reason was probably the entourage effect (terpenes have a syngeristic relationship with the cannabinoids).

The amnesia contained mostly lemonene while the white jones contained a lot of myrcene. Thus the White jones had a stronger devastating effect, while with the amnesia you could still function.

Also a lot of people at the icmag cup were surprised with the potency of that white jones sample. And this was after 2 days of testing cup samples grown indoors......This was due to the terpene profile of the white jones and the way it was cured and stored, retaining and developping the original terpene profile.
 
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THC123 said:
Comparing cannabis to cars must have been one of the stupidest things I ever read.

Many old strains are just as strong as todays strains. And a higher thc level does not mean stronger effects.
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I think the trick is to also smoke the test results. You cannot leave the most important part out. Without labs we are left with simple things like our minds, eyes, nose and so on. But now with technology you can have your smoke tested. Hmmm seems weak, just slice off a bit of those test results. Maybe top a bong off with the numbers just to be sure you got the good stuff.
 
maryjaneismyfre

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insomniac_AU said:
Exactly.
Cannabis isn't like a car or a TV at all. As mentioned it's much more like beef. Japanese Wagyu beef is revered for it's quality. Everything possible is done to ensure the bloodlines are kept pure. I'm sure people have crossed them with many other species of cow but at the end of the day the original is best.
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Jersey pasture fed cow is pretty amazing and the local nguni longhorn cattle has an almost orange fat and the cross of them tastes unreal. I've had our local wagyu, not the massaged and beer fed (apparently ;) japanese stuff and although dripping and tasty it doesn't have that amazingness that the local cross does. But it definitely has a higher fat content, I wonder what a cross of the two will bring haha..The inner pollen chucker in me comes out!
 
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I'm an old grower that recently started again and I've read a bunch to catch up with the times but one thing I've not yet found an answer to is this entourage effect with terpenes, so I'll hazard a serious question in this thread:

Presuming entourage effect is real and the scents affect the quality of the high, would for example, scenting marijuana with something like lemon zest add a quantifiable change to a product without lemonine or however it's spelled? If not why not?
 
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jrelax said:
2014 the worlds strongest was 22.51% THC.

2015 the strongest in world was % THC: 32.13


2012 they did 20% First time

Before 2012 strongest was under 20%

Today it is 30% ++

https://hightimes.com/strains/the-strongest-strains-on-earth-2016


Peace
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I want you to go do me a favor. Or yourself a favor. Today you should try to come up with the answer on why the so most potent weed by numbers does not get you as high as several other strains with lower thc?
 
jrelax

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bigtacofarmer said:
I want you to go do me a favor. Or yourself a favor. Today you should try to come up with the answer on why the so most potent weed by numbers does not get you as high as several other strains with lower thc?
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There is alot factors

You are not Competition grover super professional.
Right Pheno and perfekt super super perfekt grow sounds to me like a must if you want 25+ THC.
Nutes, lights, envoirment, co2 and lots more stuff must be
PERFEKT not near perfekt, it must be totally perfect i think :)

Also other cannabiods maybe is lover, just high THC,
there is more than just THC also. And its different to each users.

If you are a huge fan and like lots lots of THC
i believe you like more these new 30+ THC strains than the older
less than 20%
if you have right pheno and grow like experts

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MORE ABOUT FUTURE AND WEED:

Maybe in the future we got 30+ THC and 5+ CBD and 1-2% CBN
then it will be KILLER stuff


Things go fast today.

Maybe about 5years all of us can make with new lights and strains always 30+ THC if we want.
Future shows that if its possible, maybe year 2022 lol


in the last it was not possible
Soon it can be

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not everything was best before, you cant say that.
This is wrong if you ask me.

Im looking forward to years like 2022, that can be awsome
totally new types lights , nutes, and stuff , lots will happen i
believe , give it 4-5 years more and you see this is true maybe

I believe there will be some super led triple deluxe lights that makes growing more easy, and even better results.
Also other things will be better, and offcourse seeds, these gets better and better if you look at lab results.

The CBD is really cool thing today

In 90is there was no good lights either, compared to todays Cob stuff and other professional lights.

YES THINGS GET BETTER in future, believe that

Who knows, they maybe found new nutrients also in future that makes sick improvments

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Anyway. Go with stuff you like, and know works best for you. We are different.
Some can feel bad with modern strains, their best medicine is maybe beans from 90is
This is personal in the very end offcourse.

You self should know what is best for you , and what works best for YOU :)

Peace
Make love, not war right?
Chill out :)

/ the seeds get stronger we know today. Lab results shows huge differences 2011 and today,. this is just couple years, alot has happen, also Cob led lights and other things gets better, they run cool indoors
you can push lots of wattage today, you can use 3000 led wats if you like, this still goes cooler in the room than old 600w hps, right? yes
Sad thing is that im not millionaire, goddamn i would let professional people build best room , best leds, best all.
Also have i personal professional trainer first year in this super luxury best grow room 100.000 dollar or Euro grow room lol


good luck all in the future also
 
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maryjaneismyfre

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And grow it properly under an old school 1000w homebuilt magnetic HPS, in a dialed in system with the right basic food and right additives...My have a hundred mothers but the best smokes are landraces from the 70's, skunks from the 80's and an OG from the early 2000's, go figure.


Some absolutely fine ass weed has been grown with the old genetics and old tech, possibly far nicer than what we have smoked, you have better believe it. The old heads here have forgotten more than we know. That said the new lights and all will make better results, but not if you are lacking in other areas. They won't make up for bad growing, not saying that anyone is..
 
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maryjaneismyfre

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Most food recipes are based off one made in the period 1920's to 1950's..Go figure. The best ones are based of recipes from slightly later..haha The best weed I ever smoked hands down was a single individual from an f1 I made 10 years ago. And I have smoked some fine ass weed in these years since.
 
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I was watching some youtube and saw a panel of breeders and extract artists talking about maximizing cannabinoids and terpenes. While none of them could say for sure but they felt that as thc level get really high all the other numbers go down. They seemed to suggest 30-35% could be close to plants max cannabinoid and terpenes all together. Which lends insight into why some of the best flavors and highs come from plants with a more well balanced profile.
 
jrelax

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maryjaneismyfre said:
And grow it properly under an old school 1000w homebuilt magnetic HPS, in a dialed in system with the right basic food and right additives...My have a hundred mothers but the best smokes are landraces from the 70's, skunks from the 80's and an OG from the early 2000's, go figure.


Some absolutely fine ass weed has been grown with the old genetics and old tech, possibly far nicer than what we have smoked, you have better believe it. The old heads here have forgotten more than we know.
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Thats sounds cool, old porno is cool also
i like hairy stuff LOL ,this is true,
sorry anyway, lets talk pure grow, not the female bushes, or wait, both are female bushes :biggrin:

im dreaming try this you talk about. oLD clean pure stuff.
I live in wrong country i think
 
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jrelax said:
Thats sounds cool, old porno is cool also
i like hairy stuff LOL ,this is true,
sorry anyway, lets talk pure grow, not the female bushes, or wait, both are female bushes :biggrin:

im dreaming try this you talk about. oLD clean pure stuff.
I live in wrong country i think
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I think you fell into the hype. Or let the commercialized aspect of this versatile plant guide your learning experience up until now.

Im my opinion the best reason to seek ultra high thc is the commercial aspect. Choosing these varietys makes sense if you have limited funds to buy herb. The high thc seems to offer the most bang for the buck. But usually lacks character and complexity.

If you are are grower you have thousands of choices. And most growers here will quickly tell you how total thc is a very small indicator of quality.

Also. As you explore this site. Pay careful attention. You will notice growers with many different ideas. But you will also notice some growers always make choices to better yield. And some will always choose to grow for quality. Read what both have to say. Many times they agree. Others are like night and day.
 
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