RolandtheHead
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Whoops, I posted it backwards. Blueberry was the mother. Should be Blueberry x Sage.
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Seed price inflation
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More than enough packs from good breeders for $100 and under. Bodhi is $70 a pack, not outrageous at all. There are seeds for $40 a pack.
Forget the dick showing contest. Who's got the bigger ego and all that crap. I'm not impressed by all that. What impresses one may look like a symptom of disorder to another. In my state showing off can bring down the heat and pain. This isn't trendy california.
Forget the dick showing contest. Who's got the bigger ego and all that crap. I'm not impressed by all that. What impresses one may look like a symptom of disorder to another. In my state showing off can bring down the heat and pain. This isn't trendy california.
Seeds went down late 80's, Seeds went up late 90's early 2000. Seeds went down 2006~, seeds went up 2010 on. The market is the market. Seeds will soon be the same as most markets with some being Moped prices and others being Ferrari prices if deregulation continues. It will never be like boring vegetables and other shit though.
Seeds probably would be for most here, as long as they are "good" genetics. A few well selected seeds can have almost unlimited potential, and they don't have to be expensive either, although sometimes it might be worth paying extra for a particular strain.
As for me, when I started buying seeds "properly" (about 15 years ago), I went a bit mad, and bought way too many, but luckily (from what I've seen so far) most have been worth what I paid. Today I very rarely buy any seeds, and when I do they are usually LRs. However I did buy a few hybrid (IBL) seeds last year @ $2.78 per seed.
Now that I've started making my own seeds there's at least a small chance I may never buy seeds again, or perhaps almost never (never say never!).
As someone who has bought a lot of breeder packs over the last few years, it is what it is... Hot packs in limited supply go quick or for $$$. Difference is lots of options now for us non-European folks. There are good deals to be had if you look and wait for promos. People should buy most of their beans around 4/20, or other major holidays, to save serious coin with bogos. At the end of the day, a free market consists of people voluntarily exchanging one good (money) for another (seeds) at a price level both agree to.
Like said above, it will be really interesting later if completely de-scheduled. I can envision a display at homedepot with a 100 varieties at $3 for a pack of 10, but at the same time others will still be selling select lines for significantly higher. Food for thought.
Like said above, it will be really interesting later if completely de-scheduled. I can envision a display at homedepot with a 100 varieties at $3 for a pack of 10, but at the same time others will still be selling select lines for significantly higher. Food for thought.
Seeds would be my answer as well, followed by air tight jars, rice, and a refrigerator in which too keep all the seeds until they can be germinated.
.02g of seed can more than pay for itself within a few months. If your gold does that, your country's economy is in pretty terrible shape.
I've done much the same, but interestingly, I find that the seeds I value the most are the ones that have been shared with me for free.
Of course, there are exceptions, and of course, there are more I'd like to buy. That may never change. I might have a bit of a compulsion.
RedDirtWarrior
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Because people have a limited number they can grow. cant grow a field full of em.
People dont want to do pheno hunting - which is really he best way to preserve a gene pool. They want gold in a 3 pack of femm'd seeds and we'll get there eventually!
it's just very counter productive.
People dont want to do pheno hunting - which is really he best way to preserve a gene pool. They want gold in a 3 pack of femm'd seeds and we'll get there eventually!
it's just very counter productive.
brendon420
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make friends, trade seeds
I would think clone shops are going to become the norm anyways after legalization unrolls federally. If its well run and legit corporation they can guarantee no pests/diseases, sell clones for $5-$10 bucks. For a newbie thats really great, they don't have to worry about males/females, or sprouting a seed (I have lost quite a few seeds in my early days & at $15 a pop thats pretty brutal ended up with 7 plants out of a 12 pack once), and then growing it out for almost 2 months before flowering. And they get the hype "elite clone only strains etc" additionally they don't have to pheno hunt (which can take 6-12 months to do a couple of runs and find the true winner, let alone be able to recognize those winning traits).
I don't see any reason why we won't see a Clones'R'Us (not literally, I know they are going out of business)
I don't see any reason why we won't see a Clones'R'Us (not literally, I know they are going out of business)
Novelty will always sell tho and if everyone is growing this > someone is gonna charge more for whats not being grown or has a higher novelty value
Thats kinda whats going on now .. clones used to get a hot ticket but the game is theres no male so u cant even get a chance to replicate what u have but now with the trends u can get more for the seeds once the clones makes its rounds and is fire
Im seeing original packs that gained popularity later go for prices the clones cant get for example having 3-4 of do si dos f1 packs might get u more than any clone of do si dos u can sell .. even if theres no keeper in them someone will pay alot to take that risk or saving the packs for novelty/ hype or whatever
Thats kinda whats going on now .. clones used to get a hot ticket but the game is theres no male so u cant even get a chance to replicate what u have but now with the trends u can get more for the seeds once the clones makes its rounds and is fire
Im seeing original packs that gained popularity later go for prices the clones cant get for example having 3-4 of do si dos f1 packs might get u more than any clone of do si dos u can sell .. even if theres no keeper in them someone will pay alot to take that risk or saving the packs for novelty/ hype or whatever
My problem with seed prices is that some packs ARE worth the money... however there are just so many over priced chucks it is getting kind of silly. It's even worse when some breeders put out strains that easily are worth the expensive prices they ask for.... then they release shit strains usually with some silly name of flavors you know you're never going to find in those seeds and ask the same price. You end up buying both because hey the other one was worth the money and you're a part time optimist but then you get burned.
I think the clone shop will be where the overpriced f1 'polyhybrid' market ends up, for sure. No one really wants to gamble $150 in the hopes of getting one stellar plant.
If federal legalization allows home grows, I wouldn't be surprised if clones were sold like vegetable starts, but as they'd be a 21 and over product, they'd probably be more expensive. A six pack of cheap beer still costs more than a six pack of soda, for example.
Even with clones as options, if we're assuming a similarity to vegetable gardening, seed will still be a better seller. Most veggie folks only buy starts if they're new to it, if they're getting a late start, or if they have a short growing season and want to grow things like tomatoes or chilies that take a long time to produce. Why spend $5 on six plants that are only a few weeks old when you can spend half that on a pack full of seeds?
The market that I anticipate will always rely on seed is the heirloom growers: Farmers markets, boutique organic producers, folks that like curiosities in the garden, etc. For example, I've seen another plant collected from the hmong tribe in thailand: a cucumber. It's a huge red thing that looks more like a melon. But you'll never see starts in a nursery. You have to buy seed.
All this being said, I don't believe cannabis seeds will ever be as inexpensive as vegetable seeds. At least not to consumers. It's still going to be a bit of a prestige product, and there will probably be a hefty tax. Bulk buyers will probably get them at next to nothing, though. For example, a pack of waltham broccoli seed that weighs 1.5g is ~$2, but a quarter pound is only ~$6. Most consumers will probably buy small packs of cannabis seed at $10-$20, while folks who can grow fields will pay something more like what Sam predicts.
That's my guess, anyway.
If federal legalization allows home grows, I wouldn't be surprised if clones were sold like vegetable starts, but as they'd be a 21 and over product, they'd probably be more expensive. A six pack of cheap beer still costs more than a six pack of soda, for example.
Even with clones as options, if we're assuming a similarity to vegetable gardening, seed will still be a better seller. Most veggie folks only buy starts if they're new to it, if they're getting a late start, or if they have a short growing season and want to grow things like tomatoes or chilies that take a long time to produce. Why spend $5 on six plants that are only a few weeks old when you can spend half that on a pack full of seeds?
The market that I anticipate will always rely on seed is the heirloom growers: Farmers markets, boutique organic producers, folks that like curiosities in the garden, etc. For example, I've seen another plant collected from the hmong tribe in thailand: a cucumber. It's a huge red thing that looks more like a melon. But you'll never see starts in a nursery. You have to buy seed.
All this being said, I don't believe cannabis seeds will ever be as inexpensive as vegetable seeds. At least not to consumers. It's still going to be a bit of a prestige product, and there will probably be a hefty tax. Bulk buyers will probably get them at next to nothing, though. For example, a pack of waltham broccoli seed that weighs 1.5g is ~$2, but a quarter pound is only ~$6. Most consumers will probably buy small packs of cannabis seed at $10-$20, while folks who can grow fields will pay something more like what Sam predicts.
That's my guess, anyway.
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Some soda can be as much as beer. Bought a four back of sarsaparilla for someones xmas gift. They don't touch booze and it cost as much.
I really do hate to see the costs of seeds. For what they are advertising they don't always live up to what little expectation is there. There is still a lot of mystery involved in seeds. They don't show many pics, choosy of ones the do, virtually no grow reports at all. By the time some reports extist, out of stock!
I really do hate to see the costs of seeds. For what they are advertising they don't always live up to what little expectation is there. There is still a lot of mystery involved in seeds. They don't show many pics, choosy of ones the do, virtually no grow reports at all. By the time some reports extist, out of stock!
Given the variability of cannabis, this will always be the case, and to be honest, it is simply part of the fun of growing from seed. The hunt...
Sadly lots of truth to this, but it has been that way for a long time. Punk-bitch Rez comes to mind. It is actually bad business to be out of stock, from a loss of revenue perspective, but this plays into the hype game. However, hype is only good until grow reports come out, and if the plants suck, it usually comes to light. Most of the current hype-master seed makers are in general putting out quality genetics. Some are good, others great and a few top shelf super elites, but almost all worthy of spending the time and space to grow. Variety is the spice of life, and even more so with cannabis.
