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Gottagrow
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I've read that you lose efficency when pushing air through a carbon filter. With regards of having a CF inside the tent, I have mine inside and I have plenty of room( DR120). As stealth goes here is how I set mine up. 4x2 table and reserve , DR60 inside next to it (yes inside) and I have my CF-600 HPS pulling air to the outside of the house. Gives me about 2x2 of working space. Also with the side openings I have no problem getting to my ladies. That monster your thinking about you should have tons of room to put in stuff.
eyes said:
Here's my can33 hanging in a dr120..
It bends the slightest amount (basically unnoticeable as you can see but i can tell up close) with the can33, and in my estimation you can get away with the 45 lbs for sure, but would be unsure about anything much larger.
In my dr150 it hangs about the same, though i have it closer to the side so it doesn't really bend at all. The dr150 has ceiling poles in 2 pieces though, so it would bend more if the weight were in the center as the poles meet there and create a point of weakness. I still think it would support the 45lbs in the center, but the difference is worth mentioning.
As for the Jardin tents in general, I am a big fan and have a old style dr120 for veg and a new style dr150 for flowering. The new one definitely fixes the zipper issues and the flaps behind the zippers are much better.
Here's the same setup in a 150:
Compared to the Hydrohut tents I had before, they are superior in most every way. They run a few degrees cooler because the reflective material holds in heat better and doesn't heat up the room as much thus making my intake air for the tent and light cooler. Like 2 degrees, nothing crazy. The ceiling supports are much better as well. Here's what you'll have to do if you get a tent without Jardin-style roof beams, which works but is definitely reducing the efficiency of the filter:
Anyways, I really can't think of any cons with these tents that have not been fixed in the 2008 model. I guess the ceiling poles being in multiple pieces in the larger tent is one (for shipping reasons I suspect), but they are still so much better than the ceiling poles in any other tent that I consider it a minor complaint.
If for some reason you don't want to go with Jardin, I recommend Homebox, as other manufacturers have had problems with off-gassing tent covers in the past year or so. This is why I no longer have a Hydrohut or its poisonous Habitat replacement. imo, the other brands are basically rolling the dice on months of frustration as your plants and seedlings die. Here's what they do to seedlings:
Anyways good luck with your decision and future tent inhabitants!
spacecadet
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i have the dr 120 and the cons so far are dont smoke around it it burn in a second i burn a hole in it when i drop my cig and it took a second to burn a hole tru the liner and side of the tent all so keep cats a way from it mine punched holes all in the side of the tent and so watch ur osc. fans mine dam near rub a hole tru the side. and the cons like the rest said all so i notice each time you tear it down and put it back up it get more pin holes in it as well if you tear it down a lot i don't think it going to last more than a few years at best the material should be thicker and made with some stronger material but with all the cons i found i still love it even know i think it way over priced
Just got my DR150 and I love it.. Not to much more to say. I need to make a carbon filter stand because I have a can66 carbon filter that weighs about 65lbs... Wont take much to make a stand I will post up pics when I have a chance. alright yall peace
-N.Kron
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hey bojangles why are you running the filter and light seperately as opposed to connecting the two?
is the material as thin as space cadet says? he says if ya tear it dowm it will get pinholes in it?is that true>
do you run your can filter 24/7 or just cycle it?whats the difference between the 38 special and the regular cans?
i know it seems like alot of questions but i want to make sure if i purchase this tent that i wont be disappointed like most of the items purchased in the past.plus,i want to know how to operate this thing the most efficient way possible.
is the material as thin as space cadet says? he says if ya tear it dowm it will get pinholes in it?is that true>
do you run your can filter 24/7 or just cycle it?whats the difference between the 38 special and the regular cans?
i know it seems like alot of questions but i want to make sure if i purchase this tent that i wont be disappointed like most of the items purchased in the past.plus,i want to know how to operate this thing the most efficient way possible.
eyes said:
There's a few reasons to run the light and the tent ventilation separately. With a 1k, the airflow required to cool the light would necessitate a giant carbon filter, and would just be overkill for the tent. Also, pulling in heated air from the tent would make the light cooling much less efficient. This way the tent gets what it needs, and the light can get lots of fresh cool air from outside the tent at a rate of speed it couldn't get from inside it without an equally powerful intake fan. More reasons prolly but those are the big ones off the top of my head.
There's no pinholes in my tent covers whatsoever, but i have only taken them out and set them up once. Seems to me it would take something pretty rough to poke a tiny hole through the material. Reading over space cadet's comments it seems to me he has the "street" version, as I heard someone else with the "street" version mention pinholes, but nobody with the regular version says that is the case. I wish they would call them "street room" or something instead of "dark room 120s" or whatever little thing they add to the name, as this wouldn't be the first time someone didn't even realize they had the "street" edition.
I run my filter 24/7, but only run the intake fan during lights-on. Passive intake when the lights are off basically. I hear of humidity build up problems when the exhaust isn't run the majority of the time.
I don't know the difference with the 38 special filters other than can's marketing speak. Maybe there are threads about them in the equipment section, or you could start one requesting opinions.
No worries on the questions, glad to help when I can.
spacecadet
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mr bongjangles i don't not have the street version... now the pin hole could have been from the cat wile had it in the storage bag.. so far since i had it i have to take it down 4 times in the 4 weeks i have had it. i do know cats and cig do not mix with this tent there are pin holes in the zipper material but over all it lite tite and i did have a heat issue with it but thats due to running no fan with a 600 watts hps i orders a 400 cmf vortex and scrubber but the company i orders it from for got about my orders and they just now shipped it so they put me in a bit of a bind but i did put a fart fan in there and rigged it to the lower vent port and thats help big time now i can keep it in the low 90s
Doctor Who
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Mr. Bongjangles,
thanks for the excellent post! what size of fan works with your 1000w and filter?
thanks for the excellent post! what size of fan works with your 1000w and filter?
"I run my filter 24/7, but only run the intake fan during lights-on. Passive intake when the lights are off basically. I hear of humidity build up problems when the exhaust isn't run the majority of the time".
Hey bong,
so i see one fan for the filter ,one for the light ..do u have another for the intake as well or a damper that opens and closes?Or are u just saying its passive only and when lights are off,the filter is still drawing in air.is that from the room or a fresh air source? i know it can be tricky when the weather outside is humid and your trying to get rid of humid air in the tent..how do u combat those elements?
Does the tent contain the smell with the negative pressure from the filter?does the filter become less efficient while running 24/7?And how does the filter work after the tent cools down and the humidity goes up?
alot of questions ,huh?keep it interesting
Hey bong,
so i see one fan for the filter ,one for the light ..do u have another for the intake as well or a damper that opens and closes?Or are u just saying its passive only and when lights are off,the filter is still drawing in air.is that from the room or a fresh air source? i know it can be tricky when the weather outside is humid and your trying to get rid of humid air in the tent..how do u combat those elements?
Does the tent contain the smell with the negative pressure from the filter?does the filter become less efficient while running 24/7?And how does the filter work after the tent cools down and the humidity goes up?
alot of questions ,huh?keep it interesting
ThirdEyeVision
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while these tents are nice,
they do have a major PINHOLE issue.
NO I am not talking about the street version.
The slightest manipulation can and will cause pinhole leaks.
Simply setting up and taking down like someone suggested will cause pinholes to acclimate.
The newest versions zippers are top notch and totally light proof,
it's just the stitching at seams of vent ports and pin holes everywhere on the canvas that are the problem.
I would say it's a quality control issue as some tents i have seen are worse than others.
I will say i thinik they are on the right track.
they do have a major PINHOLE issue.
NO I am not talking about the street version.
The slightest manipulation can and will cause pinhole leaks.
Simply setting up and taking down like someone suggested will cause pinholes to acclimate.
The newest versions zippers are top notch and totally light proof,
it's just the stitching at seams of vent ports and pin holes everywhere on the canvas that are the problem.
I would say it's a quality control issue as some tents i have seen are worse than others.
I will say i thinik they are on the right track.
eyes said:
The intake fan is on the bottom left hand side, it sits outside the tent and blows air in via some ducting that makes an upside down U basically to keep any light out. I'm pretty anal about that. I use a backdraft dampener on the light intake to keep light out when the fan is off during lights out.
The air comes from the house, not directly from outside, so is pretty much consistently 71 degrees and 40-50% humidity.
Yeah smell stays in, but can seep out when i open the door. I run the carbon filter fan on a speed controller and match its speed to the intake fan by turning up the speed until it keeps negative pressure. I have an ona gel bucket thing with fan that keeps things straight in the room if i have the door open a while or am trimming/drying buds, i mix ona at 1/3 concentration with water and it keeps everything proper. Thread on making one here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61161
Ona sells their own premade fan thing for 40 bucks or so too i think.
spacecadet said:
ThirdEyeVision said:
Fair enough gentlemen. Not doubting you guys, just looking for the explanation that fits my experience. I actually just did some tests with my Jardin cover scraps from when i cut holes for duct flanges and my Hydrohut scraps, and I have to say the Hydrohut material requires about double the force to poke a hole, though the Jardin material didn't yield to a nail or a pin without some real force being applied. I was actually surprised by how well both stood up to nails and pins, but especially the Hydrohut style cover.
The interesting part is that when you poke a hole in the Jardin material, the reflective cover part pretty much stays in the shape of the pin or nail poked through it, whereas the Hydrohut material is softer and kind of closes back up a bit when pierced. I suspect this is why these holes are much more noticeable on the Jardin tents even though the material isn't much weaker in the general sense. Perhaps I will email them or something and pass on that this is becoming an issue, as they could prolly beef up the outside cover to compensate for the shape molding inside material.
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must be nice that the house stay s at 40-50 percent humidity.so i understand the upside down u,do u have a suncourt booster fan or more powerful fan on that side? so that active intake becomes passive with lights off. i assume no reverse smell seepage due to the filter running 24/7?how do u attach you flanges to the tent?bolts and nylon locks?any pics of the flange up close and the intake on the bottom? i used the ona along time ago and friends said they could still smell it.possibly its improved since then.i would assume the smell would be taken care of by the filter since everything is in close proximity to it even with the tent open.did u see the big a@@ one they have like 9 by 9 or something its looks crazy! crazy good.
whos speed controler you using? i was hoping i could ge t a link to the veritec>are u using the speedster? are u a big fan of the can filters?i used the carbonaire 6 inch and it worked well 500 cfm rated.cheap,too. whos fans are u using?the s and p seems like a good bet compact and quiet.
whos speed controler you using? i was hoping i could ge t a link to the veritec>are u using the speedster? are u a big fan of the can filters?i used the carbonaire 6 inch and it worked well 500 cfm rated.cheap,too. whos fans are u using?the s and p seems like a good bet compact and quiet.
