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Sealed room, root death in coco

criticalkronic

New member
Hi there, im relativly new here and havent posted much. I have built a great grow room ,and decided to switch to coco from terraponics. Of course, i have run into some problems. I am a ok grower, but not perfect with all the nutes and intricacies, so i'll do my best to describe what is going on.

I veg in 7 gallon cloth smartpots, under t-5s. I use coco fiber, straight, on a spray system. The nutes spray 15 seconds every 8 hours. I use general hydroponics drain to waste schedule. In veg, everything works great, roots grow all out the side of the smart pots, and they seem to stay very wet and heavy, but with no problems at all except fast growth, which leaves them a little leggy for my taste.

As they go into flower, they stay on the gh system. 12 plants under 8 600 hps lights. sealed room, 78 at night 88 in the day. 1500 ppm co2. A great sealed climate controlled room. I never have problems to speak of, and assumed this would only be easier, and was wrong apparently. So, the plants have started to droop rather badly. At night they droop very bad, which i belive is normal. They are also turning a pretty light green color. I have 10 G13 in this batch, along with 2 different breeds of OG kush. The OGs seem to be fine. The G's are suffering though. This is the first run in this room, and i did a lot of different things playing with temps and watering times and just getting things to work. I know that is a big obstacle against finding the problem, but I believe that this is something simple and hope someone can see it.

So what I can tell is that the root seemed to have died off. They usually poke out the side of the bags, but there are none now. They have been in flowering for 2 weeks now, and in the beginning I had the temps higher, around 90. This breed grows HUGE in high temps and in my old room with no co2 we would get 18-20 ozs of them in high heat, dramatically less with lower temps. I assumed with the co2 the temps would be fine. I also assumed the plant would need more water with all the magical growing explosions that were to take place in my new awesome room. So I went from 30 seconds of spray every 8 hours to 1 min every 1.5 hours. All this time I wasnt paying to much attention to any problems, since I haven't had any before. So I dont know If I killed the roots with under watering, over watering, or if the co2 is not allowing enough oxy to the roots. So now ive been foliar spraying, and have stopped watering for a couple days to see if they would dry out, which some have a decent amount.

So, any ideas?

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CovertCrops

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Looks like overwatering to me. Those pots are rather large and I doubt they need to be watered daily, much less every 1.5 hours. It seems most people suggest coco be watered when the pots are light. Setup looks good and I bet if you back off the watering it will perform. Why no air cooling for the air cooled hoods? Duct them up on an independant line and a/c those lamps. It will make a big difference especially with the room being seald. Good luck.
 

hazy

Active member
Veteran
^^CC~ I don't know anyone who suggests that coco be watered only when the pots are light. That's soil. Let coco dry out between waterings and get all kinds of nute concentrations.
Water coco every day. Some water twice a day.
Some skip a day.
They look like they need iron. The question is what's up with your nutes or pH to cause it, whether it's iron or whatever.
 

OjoRojo420

Feeling good is good enough.
Veteran
Those plants are gonna be HUGE by the time Flowering gets going.

OK... I see, you can still place them on the floor.

Great advice so far and please be careful who you tell locally.

Best,

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criticalkronic

New member
They get big all right. I have at least 5 feet up that the lights can move, but they stay on the trays. The trays are on rollers. This grow is medical, so Im limited by numbers, but not size or lighting.So i guess I ll keep foliar feeding and Im going to try to water by hand. I m using a sprayer that doesnt spray the whole pot, but I assumed by the nature of coco it would seep and wet the whole pot.

Ive vented hoods before, after the 3rd hood it makes no difference in temp (inline)I installed a 5 ton ac in a 400 sq foot room, it should handle it anything.
 
Dont listen to anyone who says you can overwater coco, they really have no idea what they are talking about. The only time I experience any problems (some similar to what you have) is when I leave town for a few days and they dont get watered daily. The more frequent the watering the more the nutes get flushed through and the more oxygen is pushed into the medium. If some areas are getting stale and not enough transfer you could be getting lockup and root rot from drowning there
 

hazy

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Veteran
not really, esp with such big plants.
Up the nutes on those light green ones.
 
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EvilTwin

Critical...
One subject that rarely seems to enter peoples minds is that Coco comes in different grinds. I've seen Coco that can become waterlogged. Coco Tech coco now comes in two different grinds and other brands do as well.

If you're using a coarse coco more suitable for hydro...then multiple waterings a day is perfect. But if your coco is super fine...almost like a dust, then indeed it can be overwatered. I've seen it happen.

Having said that...the Terraponics coco you're using looks to be very high quality and should be coarse enough to handle several times a day watering.
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criticalkronic

New member
I do have to admit that I use the cheapest coco I could find. A big brick about 8 in by 1.5 foot by 3 feet. I ll go look for the name, it escapes me. It is pressed, and I break it apart and expand it. It gets to be both dust and course, a mix of both. That doesnt mean it is poor quality though. I do rinse the shit out of it though. Even though the hoods are ventable, im not going to vent them, the room was built from the ground up sealed and doesn't need to, it would be counterproductive and a source of smell outside, or create heat indoors. Ive been foliar feeding them ,and they are slowly bouncing back, slowly.Ive changed watering to 2 min twice daily, my thoughts are that that would be more of a flush that 30 sec 8 times a day. I think theres something to watering them less and having a salt buildup due to drying, like mentioned above. So far ive been using straight coco, ive changed to 30 percent perlite to help combat what may have been overwatering.just guessing, but I hope it doesnt hurt.

So do you need to up the nutes in a co2 enriched room? I would assume so, but theres a difference between watering more often and needing to up the strength. Any opinions?
 
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EvilTwin

Morning Critical,
I guess i'm confused. I thought you said in your first post that you were using Terraponics coco. Most bricked coco needs a serious flush and preferably with warm water to rid it of salt. The GH Coco Tek I mentioned is called "natural mixed brick" and is a coarse hydro coco that will require flushing and pre-charging but will not need any amendments like perlite.

I've never used CO2 but was considering it. Yes, you can push nute strength up...if that plants are growing rapidly and can use it...is what I've read. Maybe someone with CO2 experience will help you out though.
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guest123

I agree with low iron... I don't see other burn, however hypothetically it could be caused by too much of another micro.

You said you did not use co2 before and now you are? my guess is heat+co2 = nute requirements you couldn't match. C02 is a double edged sword in high concentrations like 1500 IMO.
 

criticalkronic

New member
I agree with low iron... I don't see other burn, however hypothetically it could be caused by too much of another micro.

You said you did not use co2 before and now you are? my guess is heat+co2 = nute requirements you couldn't match. C02 is a double edged sword in high concentrations like 1500 IMO.

How so? Im new to both coco and co2. They are definatly growing fast, well, before the problem set in. I'm on a perpetual harvest, so a new batch goes in every 2 weeks. The new ones are doing better so far. So in the co2 you feed more or up nute strength? I knew Id have changes here in this room, and guessed Id just have to figure it out. I knew that my breed nearly doubles in size and yield in high temps, but it also drinks like a gallon or 2 per plant at that time too.


I read the coco, and it is DOWN TO EARTH brand coco coir. Sorry for the confusion, like I said Im a little new.Ive been flushing, but... Im considering going back to the supernatural terraponic soil, but damn, that shits expensive!And its half perlite. The coco seems to be having more problems that other mediums Ive used before. Im going to try to get it down because most of the plants Ive planted are in it now.
 
Root death in coir

Root death in coir

I'm using Canna coir nutes and GH cocoa bricks. Canna claims watering less is better, and that coir performs best moist not saturated. I water slowly, and stop at first signs of drainage. Even 60" plants only need watering every 3 days or so (in large pots). I have had to flush which leads to saturation, but I've never had over-watering issues. Then again, I'm just starting my 3rd grow, so... got any tips?

*love your set up!
 
use Hygrozyme it an enzyme formula to help fight off root rot... i use it in soil now, and i used to use it when i did DWC and it works great to help keep roots healthy... AN makes a similar products called Sensizym
 
Coco roots; from plastic to smartpot

Coco roots; from plastic to smartpot



I seem to have more roots than leaves on my plants, I think a 3gal smartpot will be plenty for a 24-30" plant, which is my goal.
 
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